1 hour ago, jack71 said:

Are you saying you will have a shot once a year. Even though they say its best to have every 4 months?

Who is "they"? Having had possibly the most deadly form of COVID, delta, with little effect after vaccinations, I figure my immune system has enough antibodies to last that long.

1 hour ago, rumak said:

you are very  wrong .......but i do not want to argue with you or anyone.

 

feel sorry for you guys that have no idea what is happening

I feel sorry for people who have no scientific training who get most of their information from internet websites. They have almost zero capacity to understand topics such as probability, statistics and experimental design. Their principal focus is on outliers, such as 19 nuns who allegedly died after Astra-Zeneca vaccination, and they pride themselves on being educated in the school of hard knocks. Those hard knocks are fertile ground for developing conspiracy theorists. It does not occur to them the hard knocks result from poor decisions.

 

As only 1% of the world's population has tertiary qualifications in science and medicine, there's quite a few people to be sorry for.

7 hours ago, connda said:

Why is it that everyone I know who have had the shots have also had Covid.
In my personal circle of friends, family, and acquaintance - every fully vaxxed person has contracted Covid.

 

Yes, that is THE question. I don't know any unjabbed person who has caught Covid, but on the other hand every single person I know who has caught it is either double or triple-jabbed. I'm also seeing lots of inoculated people with strange persistent coughs these days, and just not feeling/looking that great.

 

Now there is one big, obvious, difficult question here that nobody is asking but I suspect everybody is thinking it one way or another.

 

What if…

 

The truth WILL come out, pretty soon if I had a guess.

6 hours ago, KannikaP said:

Isn't the vaccine intended to lessen the effects of a Covid infection, not to stop you getting it. 

Masks were enforced to stop someone passing the virus on to someone else.

Yes but the one issue with this reasoning is the presence of the unjabbed who are not getting Covid. It's becoming increasingly difficult to ignore that fact.

6 hours ago, transam said:

A "better safe than sorry" guy, but I hope you were following safety guidelines regarding over doing it.....................????

Or he's joking, which is how I interpreted it.

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

They have acknowledged that was a mistake, and what they should have said was  vaccination will keep you out of an ICU, and also minimize the chances of long COVID.

That "mistake" was echoed by every political and medical authority throughout the world for several months on end and was the basis for pushing and coercing people into getting jabbed, as well as demonizing those who refused it.

10 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

Are they worse? Is there independent evidence to support this?

Yes recorded evidence  and just  talk to be people who  had- dreadful bone ache  and sore throat

There is nothing  for  the  OP to consider just go for  it. If you last shot was 3 months ago and you  can get a booster easily just get it ASAP

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Who is "they"? Having had possibly the most deadly form of COVID, delta, with little effect after vaccinations, I figure my immune system has enough antibodies to last that long.

Which area of medicine did you  specialise in?  Presumably  a branch of Bio medicine.

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

Yes but the one issue with this reasoning is the presence of the unjabbed who are not getting Covid. It's becoming increasingly difficult to ignore that fact.

Quite a large number of unvaccinated people get COVID. Have from the onset.

 

When measured on a population basis (as opposed to: small group of people someone knows), both the rate of infection, and mortality rates from COVID, are substantially higher in unvaccinated than in vaccinated people.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-compare-covid-deaths-for-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people/

 

 

No need unless you like drugs

11 hours ago, transam said:

We have all had 3 jabs, so far no Covid, but wait.....................

 

As everything seemed to be Covid settling down, our lad, wife, his wife's sister, husband and one baby got on a plane to Pattaya for a few days....

They have all now got covid, including the baby......????

Similar profile….. 3 western jabs here ..never any symptoms … can’t believe I never caught it March 2020 when moving through airports full of Chinese then ; Bangkok Milan Frankfurt London….. then last month got Omicron 5 at Central Mall for sure ……lady and son got it from me …… mild symptoms for all…. like a mild flu ……my unvaxxed fit lady hit hardest & longest.. 

 

done at three jabs. Next up for me the inevitable coming winter flu Covid combo jab at pharmacy in October????

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

Quite a large number of unvaccinated people get COVID. Have from the onset.

 

When measured on a population basis (as opposed to: small group of people someone knows), both the rate of infection, and mortality rates from COVID, are substantially higher in unvaccinated than in vaccinated people.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-compare-covid-deaths-for-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people/

 

 

Don’t confuse the irrational anti - vaxxers with facts ???? like around 39 in 40 western Covid dead before omicron were ….. unvaxxed.
 

UK Office of National Statistics and Equivalent bodies in all western nations. 

This can be “opinion” as not posting links that water is wet.????????????

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I feel sorry for people who have no scientific training who get most of their information from internet websites. They have almost zero capacity to understand topics such as probability, statistics and experimental design. Their principal focus is on outliers, such as 19 nuns who allegedly died after Astra-Zeneca vaccination, and they pride themselves on being educated in the school of hard knocks. Those hard knocks are fertile ground for developing conspiracy theorists. It does not occur to them the hard knocks result from poor decisions.

 

As only 1% of the world's population has tertiary qualifications in science and medicine, there's quite a few people to be sorry for.

I listened only to western professors of immunology or epidemiology or at least western national medical institutes.
 

I was taught to use only the highest standard of specifically qualified sources on all matters.
 

Irrational People just forgotten how to learn properly and apply. Been doing this since age 11. 

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

Quite a large number of unvaccinated people get COVID. Have from the onset.

 

When measured on a population basis (as opposed to: small group of people someone knows), both the rate of infection, and mortality rates from COVID, are substantially higher in unvaccinated than in vaccinated people.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-compare-covid-deaths-for-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people/

 

 

This is typically the type of stance which is becoming harder and harder to sustain.
"A small group of people someone knows" is one thing, several groups of people several people know is called reality. The truth is coming out and no sponsored study or publication can change that.

6 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

I listened only to western professors of immunology or epidemiology or at least western national medical institutes.
 

I was taught to use only the highest standard of specifically qualified sources on all matters.
 

Irrational People just forgotten how to learn properly and apply. Been doing this since age 11. 

So please enlighten an irrational and uneducated wretch such as myself:

Do the Covid vaccines work, are they safe and why? 

I have complete trust in the devinely created immune system.

 

If you know how your immune system operates and manage it as intended, health and vitality will result by default.  

4 hours ago, Mark Nothing said:

I have complete trust in the devinely created immune system.

 

If you know how your immune system operates and manage it as intended, health and vitality will result by default.  

ok don't bother with polio booster either

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

So please enlighten an irrational and uneducated wretch such as myself:

Do the Covid vaccines work, are they safe and why? 

Vaccines work, climate change is real, gravity is not just a theory.

No vaccine has a perfect safety record. Having said that, the vanishingly small number of deaths that MIGHT have been partly caused by vaccination, and trumpeted in social media as if Armageddon has arrived, pale into insignificance against the millions who have been protected from death or serious incapacitation.

 

One doesn't get to choose with science. People that accept the good bits, such as smartphones and travel in aircraft, are irrational when they reject what they think are the bad bits, such as vaccination and climate change.

7 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Which area of medicine did you  specialise in?  Presumably  a branch of Bio medicine.

I have no involvement in medicine, although it has always interested me. I am a retired research scientist.

8 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

That "mistake" was echoed by every political and medical authority throughout the world for several months on end and was the basis for pushing and coercing people into getting jabbed, as well as demonizing those who refused it.

We were in the middle of a pandemic, health systems worldwide were pushed past breaking point, vaccinations and masks were the only lights at the end of the tunnel. Only natural medicos, politicians and the majority of the population should regard anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers as selfish idiots.

20 hours ago, jack71 said:

Whats your take? What are you doing?

Ive had 1 jab the J&J

The only reason I took it is at the time it seemed like none would ever be allowed to fly into Thailand again without it.

 

If I could now suck that <deleted> out of myself I would

19 hours ago, phetphet said:

But to be honest, if I  do have a forth, I don't think I would go for any more after that.

Um, you've had your 4th, it's called natural infection, far better than any vaccine.

 

Just for the record, had 3 Pfizer's and the infection and the latest news is it's endemic and will be as common as the annual flu.

9 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Yes, that is THE question. I don't know any unjabbed person who has caught Covid,

My niece never had any jabs & had covid twice.

Both times it was little more than a head cold she creezed right thru it.

She is roughly 45 yr old

 

But like you I know tons of jabbed folks & all had covid...some easy version some very hard

6 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 .......... the latest news is it's endemic and will be as common as the annual flu.

For which most countries offer/advise vaccination protection for anyone over 50.

13 hours ago, Lacessit said:

They have acknowledged that was a mistake, and what they should have said was  vaccination will keep you out of an ICU, and also minimize the chances of long COVID.

All the data coming in from every country in the world confirms that.

 

Personally, I had COVID after two jabs. 3 days of runny nose and sore throat, back in my normal exercise routine after 5 days. My unvaccinated GF had COVID for 10-12 days, with extra symptoms of loss of taste and smell, and headaches. A friend of mine in Chiang Rai, unvaccinated, had fatigue for several months after infection, typical of long COVID.

 

The science and data is saying COVID vaccination works. As it has with a slew of other diseases.  If people who choose not to be vaccinated want to play dice with COVID, their choice, but don't come asking me for crowdfunding as you are heading into an ICU, or a prolonged rehabilitation program.

 

I had my Pfizer booster in February. My strategy is to treat COVID vaccination as an annual event, just like flu, and continue with diet and exercise to keep my immune system strong.

I've had 2 Pfizer shots followed by a Moderna booster in May.

So you think a yearly booster after that is more beneficial rather than 6 months?

13 hours ago, Lacessit said:

 

 

Double post.

14 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Got a link to said guideline ?

No.....Try Google or WHO........????

21 minutes ago, mania said:

My niece never had any jabs & had covid twice.

Both times it was little more than a head cold she creezed right thru it.

She is roughly 45 yr old

 

But like you I know tons of jabbed folks & all had covid...some easy version some very hard

 

 

So you don't know any unvaccinated people who died then?

 

 

There were a lot.

OMG, decisions, decisions!