Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act

[Walker88]

47 minutes ago, michael87 said:

 

I should mention that AG Garland will/should be impeached and that's a likely scenario after a GOP mid-term win. 

 

Actually, you should mention what the charge would be to impeach. You do know that 'doing his job' is not grounds for impeachment.

 

Of course you don't have any charge. You don't know law, you only suck up the primordial ooze in the Fever Swamps of the 45 Cult.

[connda]

I'm not a Trump supporter.  I don't like him.
But this move is the move of a tin-pot, banana-republic.  The justice department has been weaponize against certain classes of Americans.  I don't believe this will get better.   And it bodes not well. 

[LaosLover]

3 minutes ago, connda said:

I'm not a Trump supporter.  I don't like him.
But this move is the move of a tin-pot, banana-republic.  The justice department has been weaponize against certain classes of Americans.  I don't believe this will get better.   And it bodes not well. 

It seems like it's only weaponization if it's something you don't like. Impeachment of Garland? Justice, finally at last, not weaponization. At all.

 

Let's face it: Fox News type are just thrilled to know a 5 syllable word. Hence, it's hilariously relentless overuse. 

 

They just told me I couldn't have a green teal latte.

 

I asked: "Are you weaponizing the latte machine? Because that's how I feeeeeel."

[NanLaew]

12 minutes ago, connda said:

I'm not a Trump supporter.  I don't like him.
But this move is the move of a tin-pot, banana-republic.  The justice department has been weaponize against certain classes of Americans.  I don't believe this will get better.   And it bodes not well. 

I agree on the weaponization in that their 'weapon' was aimed at and appears to have hit a former POTUS who seems to have committed a felony.

 

It's been quite awesome. Like one of them precision drone strikes, no?

Edited August 13, 2022 by NanLaew

[LaosLover]

I feeel like the word weaponization has been weaponized. By Boneheads.

 

Formerly, it meant turning a non-weapon object into a weapon. 

 

Let's just make up new meanings to words to work ourselves into a lather. Who wants to live that way?

[EVENKEEL]

48 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I think it's called due process, probably a term most MAGA individuals aren't too concerned with as it wasn't long ago they bleated "lock her up" on more or less a daily basis.

Or, it could possibly mean they have nothing of importance and the due process is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Possibly.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, michael87 said:

There's no evidence of anything "nuclear" in the search/seizure warrant and the nuclear story was created by WAPO immediately after the Garland statement. There is zero input about nuke docs from FBI or from AG Garland.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/11/garland-trump-mar-a-lago/

Garland is not a person given to telegraphing his punches. He proceeds slowly and cautiously, as he should.

When he is ready, I suspect Trump will feel like he has been hit by a M1A Abrams, traveling at full speed.

Beware of quiet men, they are the most dangerous.

[DezLez]

38 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Showing his true colors.

Yellow?

[Walker88]

11 minutes ago, connda said:

I'm not a Trump supporter.  I don't like him.
But this move is the move of a tin-pot, banana-republic.  The justice department has been weaponize against certain classes of Americans.  I don't believe this will get better.   And it bodes not well. 

So making sure NOBODY is above the law is now tin-pot banana republican stuff?

 

The mere existence of TS or TS/SCI in an unauthorized location is a felony, signed into law in 2018 by 45 himself.

 

When I held TS/SCI, if I had even a single highly classified doc in my home, I would have been cuffed and perpwalked. 45 had zero right to keep any classified docs. If they were declassified they would be stamped DECLASSIFIED.

 

What did he plan to do with all that stuff? That will be a critical question at his trial. Even his sycophants have no answer. In fact, they gloss over that.

 

It's the same as 6 January: his sycophants ignore the real question: what was the purpose of encouraging the mob to march to the Capitol when the recognition of Biden's landslide victory was a mere formality? It wasn't to buy Capitol souvenirs.

 

Seems to me insurrections and attempted coups fall under the category of "tin-pot banana republic".

 

 

[Tippaporn]

42 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

But Trump was not fully cooperating with the National Archives was he?

 

Late last year, they requested a quantity of documentation that their records showed was missing and suspected that Trump had removed them. They subpoenaed him for these be returned and thinking he was being clever, Trump did return a certain quantity of them earlier this year. However, it wasn't the complete trove of documents. This enabled the National Archives to better define what was missing and that is what's PREDICATED in the search warrant, ie. documents with specific classification such as TS/SC meaning "top secret/sensitive compartmentalized information". They found those during the legal search, legally removed them (along with other stuff that was also PREDICATED in the search warrant) and issued a receipt for them. Nothing illegal in what the FBI has done. Trump, by dicking about and surrendering only some documents was, as they say in theater, hoist by his own petard. It only confirmed their suspicion of him having removed all these documents.

 

Innocent until proven guilty is still the legal protection he enjoys. The FBI was acting on behalf of the DOJ in an evidence-gathering exercise that has ultimately got Trump and his sycophants in a serious ass pucker. I wonder why?

 

I can't believe that Marjorie Taylor Greene has filed articles of impeachment in the House on Garland. Belay that. It's MTG being MTG again. I can believe that.

The MSM sure can sound convincing.  Especially if you're prone to believe everything they write is gospel.  Not all of us suck it up without questioning and willingly ignore so many unaddressed missing pieces.

No thanks.  I'll wait for the real story.  Not the goal sought one-sided version.  Most on the left with extreme bias towards Trump have already made up their minds as to the "truth."

I'm sure this story will be revisited as more facts come out.

[Phoenix Rising]

14 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Or, it could possibly mean they have nothing of importance and the due process is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Possibly.

Sure, if you're grasping at straws you work with what you've got, right?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The MSM sure can sound convincing.  Especially if you're prone to believe everything they write is gospel.  Not all of us suck it up without questioning and willingly ignore so many unaddressed missing pieces.

No thanks.  I'll wait for the real story.  Not the goal sought one-sided version.  Most on the left with extreme bias towards Trump have already made up their minds as to the "truth."

I'm sure this story will be revisited as more facts come out.

Go on spill the beans.

 

Where are you going to get the real story from?

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Or, it could possibly mean they have nothing of importance and the due process is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Possibly.

The FBI would not have succeeded in getting a search warrant for a fishing expedition. IMO they already knew what they were looking for, via an informant or archive gaps.

The due process is simply to make sure all the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed, prior to going to a grand jury.

Trump has survived two impeachment attempts. He is not going to have corrupted Republicans sitting on the judge's bench when/if it gets to trial. Which it may not, if his lawyers start plea bargaining.

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The MSM sure can sound convincing.  Especially if you're prone to believe everything they write is gospel.  Not all of us suck it up without questioning and willingly ignore so many unaddressed missing pieces.

No thanks.  I'll wait for the real story.  Not the goal sought one-sided version.  Most on the left with extreme bias towards Trump have already made up their minds as to the "truth."

I'm sure this story will be revisited as more facts come out.

You mean you suck up the BS Trump posts on social media instead, because he is telling you what you want to hear?

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Sure, if you're grasping at straws you work with what you've got, right?

.........................and what have we got ?

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Go on spill the beans.

 

Where are you going to get the real story from?

Hint:  It ain't your precious MSM.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

.........................and what have we got ?

Straws?

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Straws?

Yes, that's all there is 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Hint:  It ain't your precious MSM.

Oddly I guessed as much.

 

 

[Walker88]

14 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The MSM sure can sound convincing.  Especially if you're prone to believe everything they write is gospel.  Not all of us suck it up without questioning and willingly ignore so many unaddressed missing pieces.

No thanks.  I'll wait for the real story.  Not the goal sought one-sided version.  Most on the left with extreme bias towards Trump have already made up their minds as to the "truth."

I'm sure this story will be revisited as more facts come out.

The MSM need not sound convincing. The release yesterday of the inventory noted documents carrying the classification TS and TS/SCI, THAT is convincing.

 

Had these docs been declassified, the TS and TS/SCI headings would be gone, and instead they would be stamped DECLASSIFIED.

 

That is definitive proof of a felony. Sorry, that's the law.

 

45 is trying to claim now he had a 'standing order' that any document taken by him from the White House was declassified. Sorry, pork, it doesn't work that way. Protocols. Review. Heading removals. Re-stamping.

 

None of that was done. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say 45 is sweating bullets and knows his bloated <deleted> might be sitting in Leavenworth, so he's trying to convince the world time isn't linear in his world, and that saying something in August 2022 makes it back to January 2021.

 

A few years ago an NSA employee had some TS and TS/SCI docs in his home. He was using them to actually do his job while working from home. That did not excuse him. He was given 9 years in a Federal Penn.

 

Can't do the time, don't do the crime.

[riclag]

14 hours ago, michael87 said:

After the smoke clears, maybe someone at NARA or the transition office handling, managing the doc transfers, actually packing the boxes with docs, photos, etc may get a process charge out of this "trump has nuclear docs" debacle. Trump will win AGAIN, the left wing deep state has NOTHING, ie., J6, Raffensperger/Fulton Co. g-jury. 

Big distraction to the real issue plaguing the country: the daily and EPIC failures of the Biden administration AND certainly due to the left's inherent and crippling, mind altering fear of all things MAGA and Trump, soon to be presidential candidate and indubitably the 47th POTUS.

 

I should mention that AG Garland will/should be impeached and that's a likely scenario after a GOP mid-term win. 

 

I dont think they were much concerned about any process at that time especially knowing that the constitution allows the POTUS  broad powers when it comes to classifications!

"The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process."

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/

 

Its been reported on”Just the News”, https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/breaking-trump-describes-process-how-he-declassified-documents ,that The FPOTUS DECLASSIFIED everything under a standing order while he was POTUS!

 

The FPotus  defense is rooted in legal principles.

Quoting the former President, “Number one it was all declassified!

Two they didn’t  need to seize anything they could of had it anytime without playing politics. It was in secured storage with a additional lock put on as per their request”.

Trump

 

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Oh my, a believer in the Big Lie !

 

Are you also a QAnonist?

 

45 lost. Badly. It was the worst drubbing an incumbent repub took ever.

Vandeventer posted:- It will only Triger a civil war if you leftist cheat at voting again, and Putin and Xi feared Trump, that's why they waited for the soft on everything President to come in.

 

My, oh my, never thought I would see the day when trumpists were actually dumb enough to post something like this, and it makes me believe, even more so than before, that the USA is in dire straits with absolute rubbish like this still doing the rounds.

 

Unbelievable.

 

[Tippaporn]

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You mean you suck up the BS Trump posts on social media instead, because he is telling you what you want to hear?

You folks just don't get it that there are people in this world who actually are after the real truth.  Whether it goes against Trump or not.  Some here believe anything.  Anything at all as long as it confirms their Orange Man Bad bias.  And if one doesn't agree and doesn't hop on the already overcrowded band wagon then that must mean we're all loony conspiracy theory nuts or Trump sycophants.  Much of the world vehemently rejects your false pronunciations.

Riddle me this, Lacessit.  Why did Newsweek come out with an article quoting two anonymous high level DOJ sources who said they were cleared to state that the DOJ had no knowledge of the raid.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/newsweek-blasted-incorrectly-claiming-merrick-garland-didnt-know-about-fbis-trump-raid

And Garland doesn't immediately issue a denial.  And it took him how long to finally make a public statement?  But not answer any questions?  Nothing to see here, right?

But do give some educated thought to your idea that anyone who sticks up for what they believe is right is automatically a Trump sycophant.  Is that the scientific method you've been taught?

[Phoenix Rising]

18 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, that's all there is 

Yep, and you keep grabbing 'em.

 

[Tippaporn]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oddly I guessed as much.

No one other than the MSM is capable of telling the truth in your world?  That contention would be too fantastical, and dangerous, to believe.  At least for me.

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He hasn't been charged with anything, never mind espionage.

He should be charged with being a dumb, useless and cheating liar, but because he's always been like this, maybe it would be hard to make it stick, mainly because it would show how broken the USA is in electing an idiot like this as president.

 

I'm sure that the FBI and whomever else is investigating this clown will be able to find something to nail him on.

 

There comes a time when the sins of the past, and recent past catch up on someone, and it's all happening around trump.

[riclag]

12 hours ago, riclag said:

I dont think they were much concerned about any process at that time especially knowing that the constitution allows the POTUS  broad powers when it comes to classifications!

"The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process."

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/

 

Its been reported on”Just the News”,that The FPOTUS DECLASSIFIED everything under a standing order while he was POTUS!

 

The FPotus  defense is rooted in legal principles.

Quoting the former President, “Number one it was all declassified!

Two they didn’t  need to seize anything they could of had it anytime without playing politics. It was in secured storage with a additional lock put on as per their request”.

Trump

 

The political opposition is gaming the court of opinion again  . Court cases in multiple areas with lengty litigation and heavily covered by their propaganda machine! IMOP

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Yep, and you keep grabbing 'em.

 

Not me going on about nuclear bombs and information so ultra sensitive, that it cannot even be mentioned ?

[2baht]

2 minutes ago, xylophone said:

He should be charged with being a dumb, useless and cheating liar, but because he's always been like this, maybe it would be hard to make it stick, mainly because it would show how broken the USA is in electing an idiot like this as president.

Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives! ????

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

The MSM need not sound convincing. The release yesterday of the inventory noted documents carrying the classification TS and TS/SCI, THAT is convincing.

 

Had these docs been declassified, the TS and TS/SCI headings would be gone, and instead they would be stamped DECLASSIFIED.

 

That is definitive proof of a felony. Sorry, that's the law.

 

45 is trying to claim now he had a 'standing order' that any document taken by him from the White House was declassified. Sorry, pork, it doesn't work that way. Protocols. Review. Heading removals. Re-stamping.

 

None of that was done. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say 45 is sweating bullets and knows his bloated <deleted> might be sitting in Leavenworth, so he's trying to convince the world time isn't linear in his world, and that saying something in August 2022 makes it back to January 2021.

 

A few years ago an NSA employee had some TS and TS/SCI docs in his home. He was using them to actually do his job while working from home. That did not excuse him. He was given 9 years in a Federal Penn.

 

Can't do the time, don't do the crime.

And you know for a fact the status of each document?  And whether or not Trump had a right to possess any or all of those docs?  I've been asked to provide corroboration to back up my claims.  So please do back up your claim of "definitive proof of a felony."