Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act

[ballpoint]

Seriously though, this is scary business.  If it happened to the former president, then the very same thing could happen to any of us who stole some top secret highly classified documents.  Be careful out there.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Ridiculous

Do you think that there's any connection at all between Donald being investigated and him possibly running for POTUS in 2024 or is just a coincidence ?

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

As a Brit, I cannot understand why there is so much support

for a Biden administration that is destroying your economy,

your food production, and instigated a war with Russia which

is killing thousands of Ukranians. I don't think  Trump would

would have been so stupid.

I suggest you take a look at the US unemployment rate to assist your understanding.

[Walker88]

7 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

As a Brit, I cannot understand why there is so much support

for a Biden administration that is destroying your economy,

your food production, and instigated a war with Russia which

is killing thousands of Ukranians. I don't think  Trump would

would have been so stupid.

I don't think I have ever read a more foolish comment on this site. It is astonishing in its absurdity.

 

In case you missed it, UE is down to 3.5% under Biden from 6.8% when he took over from the failure 45. More jobs were added to the economy in Biden's first 2 years than under any Admin ever. The yearly deficit was cut by $350 billion in FY 2021, and will be cut by $1.7 trillion in FY 2022. Job openings are at a record. Biden just passed two major Bills. NATO is as unified as it has been in 60 years.

 

russia invaded Ukraine. Not a single Ukrainian would be dead if putin did not order the invasion of a sovereign peaceful nation.

 

[DezLez]

2 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

Seriously though, this is scary business.  If it happened to the former president, then the very same thing could happen to any of us who stole some top secret highly classified documents.  Be careful out there.

Pst!  That is our little secret!

[Bkk Brian]

28 minutes ago, Mad mick said:

These Democrats Elite's got no shame used FBI DOJ ++ Next for Trump they will try or succeed to Assisinate him what a f up world it is 

Scaremongering much? Assassinate him.........................lol Gotta love the Trump cult ????

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, DaiHard said:

Hilary had 30,000 plus classified emails she shouldn't have had but she skated. Hunter Biden has broken the law in many occasions and ... The US can't lecture anyone about the rule of law in future.

Is the OP on Hilary? Was she ever President?  Stay on topic. We're the documents seized at former President Trumps house classified top secret document which he had no right to have? Yes or No?

[michael87]

After the smoke clears, maybe someone at NARA or the transition office handling, managing the doc transfers, actually packing the boxes with docs, photos, etc may get a process charge out of this "trump has nuclear docs" debacle. Trump will win AGAIN, the left wing deep state has NOTHING, ie., J6, Raffensperger/Fulton Co. g-jury. 

Big distraction to the real issue plaguing the country: the daily and EPIC failures of the Biden administration AND certainly due to the left's inherent and crippling, mind altering fear of all things MAGA and Trump, soon to be presidential candidate and indubitably the 47th POTUS.

 

I should mention that AG Garland will/should be impeached and that's a likely scenario after a GOP mid-term win. 

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by michael87

[Chomper Higgot]

Trump was issued two documents by the FBI.

 

A search warrant and an itemized receipt of things removed by the FBI.

 

He’s being awfully quiet about the itemized list.

[Mac Mickmanus]

10 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

 

 

 The yearly deficit was cut by $350 billion in FY 2021, and will be cut by $1.7 trillion in FY 2022. J

 

Fact checker says ; "Misleading"

 

In recent speeches, President Joe Biden has been misleadingly taking credit for cutting federal deficits by historic amounts, though most of the reduction in deficits is the result of expiring emergency pandemic spending. Deficits fell between fiscal year 2020 and 2021 far less than initially projected after Biden added to them with more emergency pandemic and infrastructure spending.

And the deficits under Biden and beyond are projected to remain historically high compared with pre-pandemic levels.

In recent remarks, Biden took credit for cutting the deficit by $350 billion in FY 2021 and claimed his proposed budget for FY 2022 will cut the deficit by $1.3 trillion this year.

 

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/04/bidens-deficit-spin/

[Walker88]

26 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Besides America don't have to worry about out going nukes, only incoming nukes.

I see my post about DECLASSIFICATION confused you. Sorry about that.

 

Here's the remedial version to help you catch up .

 

Declassification has a protocol. POTUS submits a request. Relevant agencies approve, disapprove, or approve with caveats. If approved, the White House Counsel files documents detailing the particular piece of material. If it is declassified, it is stamped DECLASSIFIED and the previous TS or TS/SCI or whatever is removed.

 

If ANY documents seized at MaL fail to have this DECLASSIFICATION stamp on them, then that is proof of a felony. There is no room for doubt: it has the stamp (in which case it's okay) or it lacks the stamp (in which case it's mere existence outside of an authorized, secure facility makes it a felony).

 

Get it?

 

Oh, and it's 5 years sentence per document. There were 12 boxes removed on Monday.

 

And anybody who aided 45 in gathering and removing those documents faces the same potential charge. i won't mention names, but I can think of a few of his former aides who probably do not want to do (5 years X the number of documents) in Leavenworth.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Walker88

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, vandeventer said:

It will only Triger a civil war if you leftist cheat at voting again, and Putin and Xi feared Trump, that's why they waited for the soft on everything President to come in.

"It will only Triger a civil war if you leftist cheat at voting again....."

Wow, they do actually exist, the "big lie" election deniers! But seriously, thanks for letting it go this one time..........

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I have read that there's some extreme sensitive confidential documents found in Donald's safe , documents that contain the most private and sensitive material you cam imagine .

   Actually, they are so private and sensitive , that they cannot tell us what it actually is that they contain and cannot even tell us the subject 

   The content is so private and sensitive , they can not tell us what it is . 

And we are going to have to wait for 50 years until the records are made public , that's how private and sensitive the information is 

   

 

 

You mean we have to wait as long for that as for trump to release his tax returns?

[BusyB]

8 hours ago, pomchop said:

Troll Much?

Or fool much.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

Ask VP Harris she will know. Is it ok to call her a she?

Ask her. Is it OK to call you a she?

[Walker88]

14 minutes ago, michael87 said:

After the smoke clears, maybe someone at NARA or the transition office handling, managing the doc transfers, actually packing the boxes with docs, photos, etc may get a process charge out of this "trump has nuclear docs" debacle. Trump will win AGAIN, the left wing deep state has NOTHING, ie., J6, Raffensperger/Fulton Co. g-jury. 

Big distraction to the real issue plaguing the country: the daily and EPIC failures of the Biden administration AND certainly due to the left's inherent and crippling, mind altering fear of all things MAGA and Trump, soon to be presidential candidate and indubitably the 47th POTUS.

Some of us are doing better than ever financially right now. In fact, that is true of a majority of Americans, who are employed in all time record numbers. Month-on-month inflation was zero in July and gas is back below $4/gal. The yearly deficit is tumbling, as tax payments are exceeding even the OMB's wildest projections. America, hobbled by 45, is BACK!

 

Sorry that you own skills have left you lacking. If you're from a Red State, your fellow citizens can tell you how to apply for SSDI, as in States like KY and TN and WV, SSDI is the largest 'employer'.

 

Blue States like CA, NY and NJ---the largest net givers to the Fed Budget---make possible the "lifestyle" of Red Staters.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Why hasn't Trump already been arrested? If he had in his procession all the top secret papers with nuclear info and such why isn't he behind bars already? Surely the FBI and others have had enough time to take inventory of docs retrieved  from Trump's pad. We can't let such a criminal roam free who's a menace. 

I think it's called due process, probably a term most MAGA individuals aren't too concerned with as it wasn't long ago they bleated "lock her up" on more or less a daily basis.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Phoenix Rising

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1 hour ago, wombat said:

I think it's funny the squatocracy are that scared of him running again they will scrape the bottom of the barrel untill there is no barrel left to scrape.

When you get to the bottom of the barrel, that's what you'll find Trump.

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47 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

As a Brit, I cannot understand why there is so much support

for a Biden administration that is destroying your economy,

your food production, and instigated a war with Russia which

is killing thousands of Ukranians. I don't think  Trump would

would have been so stupid.

Yes. One of the symptoms of a destroyed economy is when 528,000 jobs are added in one month.

[Walker88]

36 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Besides America don't have to worry about out going nukes, only incoming nukes.

The fellow to whom you responded has not seen the evidence, so his comment is meaningless. Besides, as my other comments note, the mere presence of ANY TS or TS/SCI doc without a "DECLASSIFIED" stamp on it, constitutes a felony. Open and shut case.

 

As for 'only worry about incoming nukes', you fail to understand what nuke data can reveal. Material that is RD (Restricted Data), which even a POTUS lacks the authority to declassify, could be an assessment of US weapon systems, their strengths and weaknesses. russia and china would love to have our self-assessment, as they could design programs and weapons to take advantage of the inadequacies of our nuclear arsenal. Thus, any material about outgoing nukes can be a significant security threat if it falls into the wrong hands.

 

If you really have no knowledge of any of this, perhaps better you sit it out.

[Phoenix Rising]

56 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

A very good trade for America, although that would mean all his indebted properties would come under the Russian sanctions.

Imagine unloading all that debt on Russia - game, set and match for President Biden!

I would say though that I do feel sorry for small Russian contractors who inevitably will bet fleeced by a certain someone.

[vandeventer]

20 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

I see my post about DECLASSIFICATION confused you. Sorry about that.

 

Here's the remedial version to help you catch up .

 

Declassification has a protocol. POTUS submits a request. Relevant agencies approve, disapprove, or approve with caveats. If approved, the White House Counsel files documents detailing the particular piece of material. If it is declassified, it is stamped DECLASSIFIED and the previous TS or TS/SCI or whatever is removed.

 

If ANY documents seized at MaL fail to have this DECLASSIFICATION stamp on them, then that is proof of a felony. There is no room for doubt: it has the stamp (in which case it's okay) or it lacks the stamp (in which case it's mere existence outside of an authorized, secure facility makes it a felony).

 

Get it?

 

Oh, and it's 5 years sentence per document. There were 12 boxes removed on Monday.

 

And anybody who aided 45 in gathering and removing those documents faces the same potential charge. i won't mention names, but I can think of a few of his former aides who probably do not want to do (5 years X the number of documents) in Leavenworth.

And what about Obamas 30 Million docs. that he took and never gave back? I am sure the DOJ went over them with a fine tooth comb. All the Presidents are guilty but none are charged only Trump. This is not Justice, it's Just us!!!

[BusyB]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If Trump were fully cooperating, there would be no documents at his residence, he would have already returned them to their rightful custodian.

They were subpoenaed in Springtime. Any claim he was 'cooperating' is pure bunkum.

 

The subpoena came after he failed to respond to earlier polite requests. 

 

And no Tippaporn, these are facts. They stand. I can't be bothered to waste my time dealing with any absurd response you post here so don't waste your time either.

[newnative]

39 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Dude you should be grateful for that email scandal, without it Hilary would probably have won the election leaving the orange mop crying in the corner that it’s all so unfair.

 

Noteable though that although she lost there were no riots at capital hill. 

   Yes.  And, even though she won the popular vote by 2.9 million votes, she didn't act like a spoiled crybaby like Trump, didn't spout the Big Lie at every opportunity that the election was 'stolen' from her, didn't call state officials and demand they find more votes for her, didn't ask Vice President Biden to nullify the election and declare her the winner, didn't institute over 50 unsuccessful lawsuits trying to overturn her loss, and, yes, didn't urge her supporters to storm the Capitol. 

[NanLaew]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

I highlighted the important part of your post.  Why is there no mention of the fact that Trump was fully cooperating with the National Archives and therefore why a raid was necessary?  Any takers on answering that question?

But Trump was not fully cooperating with the National Archives was he?

 

Late last year, they requested a quantity of documentation that their records showed was missing and suspected that Trump had removed them. They subpoenaed him for these be returned and thinking he was being clever, Trump did return a certain quantity of them earlier this year. However, it wasn't the complete trove of documents. This enabled the National Archives to better define what was missing and that is what's PREDICATED in the search warrant, ie. documents with specific classification such as TS/SC meaning "top secret/sensitive compartmentalized information". They found those during the legal search, legally removed them (along with other stuff that was also PREDICATED in the search warrant) and issued a receipt for them. Nothing illegal in what the FBI has done. Trump, by dicking about and surrendering only some documents was, as they say in theater, hoist by his own petard. It only confirmed their suspicion of him having removed all these documents.

 

Innocent until proven guilty is still the legal protection he enjoys. The FBI was acting on behalf of the DOJ in an evidence-gathering exercise that has ultimately got Trump and his sycophants in a serious ass pucker. I wonder why?

 

I can't believe that Marjorie Taylor Greene has filed articles of impeachment in the House on Garland. Belay that. It's MTG being MTG again. I can believe that.

Edited August 13, 2022 by NanLaew

[Phoenix Rising]

43 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do you think that there's any connection at all between Donald being investigated and him possibly running for POTUS in 2024 or is just a coincidence ?

Call me psychic but personally I think there is a clear connection between him stealing boxes of secret documents from the WH and him being investigated for stealing boxes of secret documents from the WH.

But hey, that's just me!

[NanLaew]

36 minutes ago, michael87 said:

Whats in the list? Quite benign and NOTHING-BURGER-ish.

In the grand scheme of classified document hierarchy, the stuff marked "TS/SCI" is actually a Wendy's Triple Burger with Cheese and Bacon served with Large Fries and a Jumbo Coke (to go).

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

And what about Obamas 30 Million docs. that he took and never gave back? I am sure the DOJ went over them with a fine tooth comb. All the Presidents are guilty but none are charged only Trump. This is not Justice, it's Just us!!!

Listening to too many trump tweets:

 

Obama didn’t keep millions of classified White House documents

CLAIM: Former President Barack Obama took 30 million documents, many of them classified, to Chicago upon leaving the White House.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Obama administration records are exclusively held and maintained by the National Archives and Records Administration, the federal agency confirmed on Friday. Millions of unclassified documents were transferred after Obama left office to a NARA facility in Chicago

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-obama-million-documents-929954890662

[Lacessit]

37 minutes ago, michael87 said:

After the smoke clears, maybe someone at NARA or the transition office handling, managing the doc transfers, actually packing the boxes with docs, photos, etc may get a process charge out of this "trump has nuclear docs" debacle. Trump will win AGAIN, the left wing deep state has NOTHING, ie., J6, Raffensperger/Fulton Co. g-jury. 

Big distraction to the real issue plaguing the country: the daily and EPIC failures of the Biden administration AND certainly due to the left's inherent and crippling, mind altering fear of all things MAGA and Trump, soon to be presidential candidate and indubitably the 47th POTUS.

 

I should mention that AG Garland will/should be impeached and that's a likely scenario after a GOP mid-term win. 

 

Speaking of smoke, what are you smoking?

Trump lost a trade war, the Mexicans told him no to funding the wall, and an election by 7.5 million votes. His resort properties are all losing money hand over fist.

What gives you the idea he is winning, apart from your own belief system?

 

[LaosLover]

Just reading Fatty's latest demented statement. One part resonates with what I read here a lot:

 

"How many of Obama's 33M documents (not true) were about nuclear? WORD IS, LOTS (actually 0).

 

Excuse me, "word is"?

 

The hypocritical righties here demand endless proof, links, and shift the goal posts endlessly, and their idiot guru gets to skate by with "word is"? Too funny.

 

The last usage I can remember of "word is" was in Starsky and Hutch: "Word is that a deal is going down, Huggy Bear. Can you help us?".

 

Trump's frequent -how frequent? "LOTS"- channeling of 70's TV is my fave bit of Trump lunacy.

 

Endless demands here and on Breitbart that the DOJ show their hand upon their command while Word Is-Fattie gets to prevaricate, speculate (word is) and foot drag shows a double standard that keeps comically collapsing into itself.

 

As per The Wire, "When you come for the king, you best not miss".

 

And when they do, they won't.

Edited August 13, 2022 by LaosLover