Britain’s opposition Labour Party demand energy price cap freeze

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4 hours ago, transam said:

Weeeeeell, I have always looked at the Labour Party as being socialists, as many do....????

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2016/09/labour-socialist

Did you actually read the article? It doesn't say what you apparently think it does. Here's the conclusion

 

"So now, the Labour party is less socialist. “Social democrats” are usually how more centrist left wing politicians in western democracies are described – and how most Labour MPs would identify. But Corbyn and his allies often use the description: “democratic socialist”."

 

And given that the author of the piece includes the NHS, minimum wage, and progressive taxation as socialistic, even his tepid clams are suspect. Or maybe he believes that most UK citizens are socialist?

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4 hours ago, transam said:

Weeeeeell, I have always looked at the Labour Party as being socialists, as many do....????

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2016/09/labour-socialist

Here once again, for your benefit, is the definition of socialism:

 

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+of+socialism&oq=definition+of+so&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j69i59.7682j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Bluespunk]

Pesky socialist tories backing nationalising energy companies. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/aug/16/two-thirds-of-tory-voters-support-temporary-nationalisation-of-energy-firms-poll?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Loiner]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Millions of people in a wealthy nation having to choose between ‘Heating and Eating’, millions of others already struggling to afford food.

Millions more having to choose between Christmas holidays in The Alps or having to rough it with the pensioners in Tenerife, already struggling with the private school fees. 
Those north London labour supporters won’t tolerate it either, because they believe Starmer would sort it all for them. 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, Loiner said:

How many are you expecting to die? You sound so melodramatic while hamming it up the some people might believe you. 

Odd you should ask that question, just as it appears someone in Government has no intention of you or anyone else finding out:

 

“Thérèse Coffey, the work and pensions secretary, said she would not publish five reports or research on the benefit cap, deaths of benefits claimants, the impact of universal credit (UC), and benefit sanctions, and that she had no plans to publish two further reports on unpaid carers and work capability assessments.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/14/british-minister-accused-of-trying-to-hide-reports-on-impact-of-tory-welfare-reforms

[Chomper Higgot]

All this bleating about Unions and Socialism.

 

Somebody seems not to have noticed that in the face of the worse cost of living crisis in living memory, unions and industrial action are becoming quite the thing again.

 

Likewise support for nationalization of utility and railway companies 

 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/utilities/trackers/support-for-bringing-energy-companies-back-into-public-ownership

 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2014/05/11/why-do-people-support-rail-nationalisation

[Rimmer]

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[transam]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

All this bleating about Unions and Socialism.

 

Somebody seems not to have noticed that in the face of the worse cost of living crisis in living memory, unions and industrial action are becoming quite the thing again.

 

Likewise support for nationalization of utility and railway companies 

 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/utilities/trackers/support-for-bringing-energy-companies-back-into-public-ownership

 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2014/05/11/why-do-people-support-rail-nationalisation

It seems most of the planet has the same problem, not just the UK, at the present time......????

 

[transam]

32 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Are they voting for socialists? Do the vast majority of the candidates they're voting for endorse the proposition that "the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole?" .Most likely, to their way of thinking, are they settling for the lesser of 2 evils. 

Who are the socialists voting for, is what I asked....????

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56 minutes ago, transam said:

Who are the socialists voting for, is what I asked....????

Mostly not socialists.

[transam]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Mostly not socialists.

Again, now pay attention, who do the socialists vote for....?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, transam said:

It seems most of the planet has the same problem, not just the UK, at the present time......????

 

I didn’t even mention the causes of the problems the people of the UK are facing.

 

I simply pointed out that the solutions many are choosing and increasingly supportive of are, unions, and industrial action, bringing back utilities and essential services into state ownership.

 

I expect water companies to be next on the list.

[Chomper Higgot]

50 minutes ago, transam said:

Again, now pay attention, who do the socialists vote for....?

Perhaps you can invite a few on here and ask them.

 

Votes cast are secret.

[Chomper Higgot]

The Greens have stepped in with their proposals.

 

Again taking advantage of the Tories being AWOL while the nation suffers.

 

Opposition parties taking a firm hold of the public narrative on energy prices and the cost of living crisis:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/17/green-party-calls-for-nationalisation-of-big-five-energy-firms

 

 

[Loiner]

19 hours ago, RayC said:

What actions would you suggest Starmer takes in order to stop the rail strikes?

He could threaten to stop taking their cash and block votes at congress if they strike. 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

He could threaten to stop taking their cash and block votes at congress if they strike. 

Why should he do that?

 

He has no business interfering in workers exercising their right to strike.

 

People are struggling to pay their bills, union action to demand better pay is a perfectly natural response.

 

 

[Loiner]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Greens have stepped in with their proposals.

 

Again taking advantage of the Tories being AWOL while the nation suffers.

 

Opposition parties taking a firm hold of the public narrative on energy prices and the cost of living crisis:

 

The greens are the biggest contributing factor to the current energy crisis. We would have had energy sufficiency if previous governments had not pandered to their anti-fossil fuel nonsense. The next govt must abandon the carbon neutral waste of money too. 
 

They would have us back in the century before last as far as energy is concerned. Is their proposal for everyone to knit nice warm horse hair shirts as penance for using fossil fuels?

[baboon]

11 minutes ago, Loiner said:

He could threaten to stop taking their cash and block votes at congress if they strike. 

The RMT is not affiliated with the Labour Party. He doesn't take their cash.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The greens are the biggest contributing factor to the current energy crisis. We would have had energy sufficiency if previous governments had not pandered to their anti-fossil fuel nonsense. The next govt must abandon the carbon neutral waste of money too. 
 

They would have us back in the century before last as far as energy is concerned. Is their proposal for everyone to knit nice warm horse hair shirts as penance for using fossil fuels?

You seem to have missed the bit about over the past 12 years of Tories failing to address energy self sufficiency and knobbling the development of reusable energy in England and Wales while Scotland did the smart thing and continued with Green Energy to the benefit of their nation.

[Loiner]

31 minutes ago, baboon said:

The RMT is not affiliated with the Labour Party. He doesn't take their cash.

ASLEF are. Are all the strikers from only one union?
Affiliated or not, they’ve still been in the take. Individual MPs have been too. 
Labour is mired in their own corrupt sleaze with the unions. 

[Bluespunk]

38 minutes ago, Loiner said:

ASLEF are. Are all the strikers from only one union?
Affiliated or not, they’ve still been in the take. Individual MPs have been too. 
Labour is mired in their own corrupt sleaze with the unions. 

Really?

 

On the take?

 

Sleaze?

 

Care to back those claims up. 
 

Keep in mind declared contributions above a certain amount to a party or individual MP is completely legal. 
 

Donations below this level do not need be declared. 

[CharlieH]

A number of off topic bickering anc deflecting posts and responses removed.

 

Lets get back the subject of the OP please.

[Loiner]

5 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Really?

 

On the take?

 

Sleaze?

 

Care to back those claims up. 
 

Keep in mind declared contributions above a certain amount to a party or individual MP is completely legal. 
 

Donations below this level do not need be declared. 

Read something else other than your rag and you will see how many Lab MPs have been taking thousands from the unions. 
 

The party really needs it now, with a £4.8M deficit after loosing 100,000 members since last year. Even their own membership are leaving Starmer. 

[Bluespunk]

17 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Read something else other than your rag and you will see how many Lab MPs have been taking thousands from the unions. 
 

The party really needs it now, with a £4.8M deficit after loosing 100,000 members since last year. Even their own membership are leaving Starmer. 

That’s not the question I asked. 
 

It is well known and openly declared as regulations require that unions contribute to both the Labour Party and individual mps.
 

That is not graft, being on the take or illegal. 

 

Now back up your claims of being on the take and sleaze. 
 

I would ask that you recant these claims if unable to do so.
 

However, that would take integrity and the courage to admit you are wrong…

 

I doubt you possess these qualities. 

[Loiner]

40 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

That is not graft, being on the take or illegal. 

 

Now back up your claims of being on the take and sleaze. 

MPs taking money from unions is Labour’s sleaze. Declare it on the register, it is still sleaze. 
They are in the unions’ pocket. Supporting the union strikes and joining their picket lines is sleaze.
Did they actually get disciplined? Sleaze. 

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, Loiner said:

MPs taking money from unions is Labour’s sleaze. Declare it on the register, it is still sleaze. 
They are in the unions’ pocket. Supporting the union strikes and joining their picket lines is sleaze.
Did they actually get disciplined? Sleaze. 

As I thought, you can’t back up your hyperbolic nonsense. 
 

Just as I knew you wouldn’t have the courage or integrity to admit you are wrong. 

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, Loiner said:

MPs taking money from unions is Labour’s sleaze. Declare it on the register, it is still sleaze. 
They are in the unions’ pocket. Supporting the union strikes and joining their picket lines is sleaze.
Did they actually get disciplined? Sleaze. 

How on earth did you miss out on the history of the UK’s Labour movement’s during your years in school?

[baboon]

16 minutes ago, Loiner said:

MPs taking money from unions is Labour’s sleaze. Declare it on the register, it is still sleaze. 
They are in the unions’ pocket. Supporting the union strikes and joining their picket lines is sleaze.
Did they actually get disciplined? Sleaze. 

Oh? Whose payroll is Natalie Elphicke on? Shame on you!

[Loiner]

18 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

As I thought, you can’t back up your hyperbolic nonsense. 
 

Just as I knew you wouldn’t have the courage or integrity to admit you are wrong. 

Because I’m not. 

[Loiner]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How on earth did you miss out on the history of the UK’s Labour movement’s during your years in school?

That was a very different Labour Party I learned about. Nothing like the recent cabal of liars masquerading as a party ‘for the many.’