Trump asks for a 'special master' to review Mar-a-Lago evidence

[Eric Loh]

Reported by Forbes that the lawsuit was assigned to federal Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee. and a member of the Federalist Society. Perhaps a conflict of interest here and should recuse herself. 

[candide]

57 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

5555....a Trump library.  I can see it now.  "The Trump library announces the opening of a new section labelled "TS/SCI."  Limited access only for premium members.  And to be a premium member, you'll have to make a donation of at least $1 billion.  Foreign donations welcome." 

But no "books about me" section! 

Edited August 23, 2022 by candide

[DezLez]

1 minute ago, candide said:

But no "books about me" section! ????

Only in the "colouring in" section!

[FritsSikkink]

4 hours ago, riclag said:

"The FBI and DOJ have demonstrated a willingness to treat President Trump differently than any other citizen," the motion states, citing the two years of the "noisy" Trump-Russia investigations and more.

Trump’s lawyers demanded a special master to review the records, stressing that a DOJ "filter team" "will not protect President Trump’s rights."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-files-lawsuit-seeking-independent-review-fbi-raid-mar-a-lago

 

 Good read  with lots details.

That last paragraph speaks of the trust many Americans have in

the agencies individuals  that claims  the moto “fidelity, bravery and integrity “.imop

 

 

 

As a criminal he has nothing to demand.

[candide]

38 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Only in the "colouring in" section!

Like this one? ????

 

https://www.amazon.com/Trump-Coloring-Book-M-Anthony/dp/1682610284

[Eric Loh]

Really mind boggling just how many classified documents that he kept. 
 

There was the initial batch of

more than 150 documents marked as classified was recorded and retrieved by the US National Archives in Jan. Aides to Trump gave the DOJ a second batch in June while the third batch was seized from the recent FBI search.
 

The sheet amount of classified documents in his possession will definitely put him away for a long while. 
 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/over-300-classified-documents-recovered-trumps-florida-home-ny-times-2022-08-23/

[Mavideol]

11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Really mind boggling just how many classified documents that he kept. 
 

There was the initial batch of

more than 150 documents marked as classified was recorded and retrieved by the US National Archives in Jan. Aides to Trump gave the DOJ a second batch in June while the third batch was seized from the recent FBI search.
 

The sheet amount of classified documents in his possession will definitely put him away for a long while. 
 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/over-300-classified-documents-recovered-trumps-florida-home-ny-times-2022-08-23/

what still surprising me is that  there are people following him and believing his lies... two sentences of 3 words for Donald  " You Are Fired"  "Lock Him Up" case close

[Thailand]

I hope that nice Mr Trump is not in trouble?

[DezLez]

4 minutes ago, Thailand said:

I hope that nice Mr Trump is not in trouble?

I think you speak with "forked tongue" same same Mr Trump!????

[ullman]

The raid on Mar-a-Lago could shake America’s foundations

It has already given Donald Trump a boost

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/08/10/the-raid-on-mar-a-lago-could-shake-americas-foundations

The MAGA dynasty is in the growing stages, gathering momentum.

[LarrySR]

5 hours ago, riclag said:

"The FBI and DOJ have demonstrated a willingness to treat President Trump differently than any other citizen," the motion states, citing the two years of the "noisy" Trump-Russia investigations and more.

Trump’s lawyers demanded a special master to review the records, stressing that a DOJ "filter team" "will not protect President Trump’s rights."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-files-lawsuit-seeking-independent-review-fbi-raid-mar-a-lago

 

 Good read  with lots details.

That last paragraph speaks of the trust many Americans have in

the agencies individuals  that claims  the moto “fidelity, bravery and integrity “.imop

 

 

 

At this point, how is it possible we still find people supporting Trump and still linking to a 'Fox' news article?

The mind boggles.

[DezLez]

2 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

The mind boggles.

The point is that the "Trump supporters" do not have a fully functioning mind!

The are just zombies following his cult movement!

 

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, 2baht said:

....................and the box of red neckties from Emperor Xi!

and the diamond encrusted sword from old mate up there in the desert.

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Reported by Forbes that the lawsuit was assigned to federal Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee. and a member of the Federalist Society. Perhaps a conflict of interest here and should recuse herself. 

That's the end of that then. Recusal seems to have passed its use by date.

[candide]

1 hour ago, ullman said:

The raid on Mar-a-Lago could shake America’s foundations

It has already given Donald Trump a boost

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/08/10/the-raid-on-mar-a-lago-could-shake-americas-foundations

The MAGA dynasty is in the growing stages, gathering momentum.

Interesting quote from the article (I cannot read the rest, It's under paywall):

"Merrick Garland, the attorney-general, would have anticipated that. He is a painstaking former prosecutor and judge—too painstaking for many Democrats who, just as Republicans claim, are quivering to see Mr Trump prosecuted. If Mr Garland made the decision himself to proceed, as seems likely, he must have concluded that legal considerations left him with no choice"

Edited August 23, 2022 by candide

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1 hour ago, ullman said:

The raid on Mar-a-Lago could shake America’s foundations

It has already given Donald Trump a boost

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/08/10/the-raid-on-mar-a-lago-could-shake-americas-foundations

The MAGA dynasty is in the growing stages, gathering momentum.

From the article:

"Merrick Garland, the attorney-general, would have anticipated that. He is a painstaking former prosecutor and judge—too painstaking for many Democrats who, just as Republicans claim, are quivering to see Mr Trump prosecuted. If Mr Garland made the decision himself to proceed, as seems likely, he must have concluded that legal considerations left him with no choice."

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Really mind boggling just how many classified documents that he kept. 
 

There was the initial batch of

more than 150 documents marked as classified was recorded and retrieved by the US National Archives in Jan. Aides to Trump gave the DOJ a second batch in June while the third batch was seized from the recent FBI search.
 

The sheet amount of classified documents in his possession will definitely put him away for a long while. 
 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/over-300-classified-documents-recovered-trumps-florida-home-ny-times-2022-08-23/

He's well and truly screwed.

 

700 according to this and that does not include those taken in June or the latest ones seized:

 

Documents recovered at Mar-a-Lago were among government's most classified, letter shows

 

In the letter, posted on a Trump-aligned journalist's website, the National Archives pushed back on Trump's privilege claims.

 

The National Archives found more than 700 pages of classified material — including “special access program materials,” some of the most highly classified secrets in government — in 15 boxes recovered from Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in January, according to correspondence between the National Archivist and his legal team.

 

The May 10 letter — posted late Monday on the website of John Solomon, a conservative journalist and one of Trump’s authorized liaisons to the National Archives to review papers from his presidency — showed that NARA and federal investigators had grown increasingly alarmed about potential damage to national security caused by the warehousing of these documents at Mar-a-Lago, as well as by Trump’s resistance to sharing them with the FBI.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/23/national-archives-letter-trump-security-00053250

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

THE RNC HAS BEEN BANKROLLING TRUMP'S LEGAL BILLS. IF HE RUNS, THEY'RE CUTTING HIM OFF.

The Republican National Committee, which has already paid nearly $2 million to the former president’s legal defense, will reportedly stop if he officially enters the next presidential race, a threat that may keep Trump from announcing before the midterms.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/07/rnc-trump-running-2024-legal-bills

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, riclag said:

"The FBI and DOJ have demonstrated a willingness to treat President Trump differently than any other citizen," the motion states, citing the two years of the "noisy" Trump-Russia investigations and more.

Trump’s lawyers demanded a special master to review the records, stressing that a DOJ "filter team" "will not protect President Trump’s rights."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-files-lawsuit-seeking-independent-review-fbi-raid-mar-a-lago

 

 Good read  with lots details.

That last paragraph speaks of the trust many Americans have in

the agencies individuals  that claims  the moto “fidelity, bravery and integrity “.imop

 

 

 

The FBI are indeed treating Trump with extra special attention.

 

If you or I had stolen TS/SCI documents, stashed them in our homes and they were then recovered under a lawfully executed and lawfully issued search warrant, we’d be in a dark  basement somewhere with a wet towel over our faces until we explained ourselves.

 

 

Lock him up already 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, ullman said:

ha ha... I see you failed to debunk what rational and intelligent folks already know.

lol...

A rational person, with even a modicum of intelligence, could hardly dodge observing some salient facts:

 

1. A federal judge issued a lawful search warrant.

2, Under that lawfully issued search warrant the FBI undertook a lawfully executed search.

3. The FBI’s lawfully executed search under a lawfully issued search warrant revived a number of US Government Documents, including TS/SCI documents in the possession of former President Donald Trump.

4. Former President has claimed the documents were planted by the FBI.

5. Former President Donald Trump’s attorneys signed statements saying the documents were already returned, thereby confirming Trump did indeed have the documents.

6. Not all the documents were returned.

7. Trump admitted he had the documents but claimed that he had declassified them under a Presidential Standing Order.

8. Nobody in Trump’s former administration has any recollection or knowledge of the ‘Presidential Standing Order’ Trump has referred to.

A rational person would conclude that the best way to settle this matter is let the FBI complete there investigation, place the evidence before a Grand Jury and if the Grand Jury hands down an indictment, arrest Trump, charge Trump and send him to trial.

 

If tge Grand Jury does not hand down an indictment there is no case to answer.

 

Place your bets.

 

 

Edited August 23, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[candide]

2 hours ago, ullman said:

like everything the corrupt deep state attempted against investigating the greatest POTUS patriot... they have failed despite their overt corruption. This MAL constitutional violation is going to implode on your deep state actors in a big way AGAIN. Trump scores another easy win. But, maybe you can fantasize about J6 (ha ha), Fulton Co. (bigger ha ha).

what you will never wrap your head around is Trump and MAGA being so overwhelming and powerful. if not the case, why all the attention to Trump, especially here, on this one sided liberal echo chamber.

vote Trump, it's in your best interest. otherwise support Biden... LOL

Sore stomach tonight?

[Scott]

Off-topic, troll posts and replies reported and removed.  Continue and face a suspension.

 

[Bkk Brian]

Looks like there was too much B.S. in the original motion filed by Trump and his team, the judge needs some actual legal requirements......lol

 

JUST IN: Judge Aileen Cannon responds to Trump lawsuit re: FBI search with a list of more questions for Trump's team about what, precisely, they're asking for.

 

A Trump-appointed judge doesn't know what to make of the former president's lawsuit over the Mar-a-Lago search

 

A day after Donald Trump sued to stop the Justice Department from reviewing records seized at Mar-a-Lago, a federal judge appeared to join other legal experts in their bafflement over what specifically Trump was looking for.

 

Trump's lawsuit was widely scorned by former federal prosecutors and other legal scholars, who said the filing was lacking fundamental elements, such as exhibits, sworn affidavits, or a viewpoint on how a judge should approach the issues raised.

 

In interviews and on social media, legal experts said the lawsuit was more akin to a press release with the way it aired Trump's grievances against the Justice Department and described the former president as the "clear frontrunner" in the 2024 Republican primary.

https://sports.yahoo.com/trump-appointed-judge-doesnt-know-210317967.html

[KanchanaburiGuy]

On 8/23/2022 at 1:56 PM, heybruce said:

"inventory of my property that was taken..."

 

His property?

Not sure why you'd laugh.

 

We already know they took his passports......... then denied they had them...... then returned them.

 

So yeah, there could very well be any number of things that are, in fact, HIS documents. We've already seen that proved with his passports.

 

Laughing at appropriate times, that's one thing. But laughing at inappropriate times? Well......... my........

 

...........That usually falls back on the one doing the laughing!

 

Ah Ha A-hahaahhaha! (Sometimes with buggy, Marty Feldman eyes!)

 

*wink*

[Bkk Brian]

15 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Not sure why you'd laugh.

 

We already know they took his passports......... then denied they had them...... then returned them.

 

So yeah, there could very well be any number of things that are, in fact, HIS documents. We've already seen that proved with his passports.

 

Laughing at appropriate times, that's one thing. But laughing at inappropriate times? Well......... my........

 

...........That usually falls back on the one doing the laughing!

 

Ah Ha A-hahaahhaha! (Sometimes with buggy, Marty Feldman eyes!)

 

*wink*

Since when did the FBI deny they had his passports? They were the ones that in fact notified him they had them and they could be collected, he then went onto make accusations after being notified.

[ozimoron]

18 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Not sure why you'd laugh.

 

We already know they took his passports......... then denied they had them...... then returned them.

 

So yeah, there could very well be any number of things that are, in fact, HIS documents. We've already seen that proved with his passports.

 

Laughing at appropriate times, that's one thing. But laughing at inappropriate times? Well......... my........

 

...........That usually falls back on the one doing the laughing!

 

Ah Ha A-hahaahhaha! (Sometimes with buggy, Marty Feldman eyes!)

 

*wink*

Please link to where the FBI denied they had the passports. That talking point appears to be fake news.

 

The FBI acknowledged it had had the passports the same day Trump said on his social media platform that FBI agents who conducted the search on Aug. 8 took them.

 

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/s-s-not-fbi-taking-trumps-passports-rcna43265

[KanchanaburiGuy]

From the very beginning, concern was expressed that there could be privileged Attorney/Client documents among those taken. 

 

One of the jobs of a Special Master is to confirm that the FBI/DOJ are blocked from reading communications they are not supposed to.

 

If Trump told his attorney things in confidence........... about illegal or questionable activities........ and the prosecutors get a chance to see that.......... the Court could hold that Trump's 5th Amendment Right to not Self-Incriminate.......... has been violated. 

 

Seeing that there were concerns about Privileged Communications being expressed from the very beginning............

 

Asking for a Special Master makes perfect sense. What doesn't make sense is why it took so long to ask for one!

 

Is it possible that waiting so long to ask for a Special Master was a tactic?

 

Is it possible they can now claim the evidence has been tainted........ because the prosecution had so much time to see a variety of things they "shouldn't have?"

 

If indeed the documents taken include Privileged Communications.......... having a Special Master review them before disseminating them.......... is both sensible and appropriate. 

 

In fact, it is so sensible and appropriate............ that it should have been done much earlier!

 

(Indeed, it is SO sensible and appropriate that........ as soon the concern about Privileged Commications came up............ a clever prosecutor would have insisted upon it himself!)

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

From the very beginning, concern was expressed that there could be privileged Attorney/Client documents among those taken. 

 

One of the jobs of a Special Master is to confirm that the FBI/DOJ are blocked from reading communications they are not supposed to.

 

If Trump told his attorney things in confidence........... about illegal or questionable activities........ and the prosecutors get a chance to see that.......... the Court could hold that Trump's 5th Amendment Right to not Self-Incriminate.......... has been violated. 

 

Seeing that there were concerns about Privileged Communications being expressed from the very beginning............

 

Asking for a Special Master makes perfect sense. What doesn't make sense is why it took so long to ask for one!

 

Is it possible that waiting so long to ask for a Special Master was a tactic?

 

Is it possible they can now claim the evidence has been tainted........ because the prosecution had so much time to see a variety of things they "shouldn't have?"

 

If indeed the documents taken include Privileged Communications.......... having a Special Master review them before disseminating them.......... is both sensible and appropriate. 

 

In fact, it is so sensible and appropriate............ that it should have been done much earlier!

 

(Indeed, it is SO sensible and appropriate that........ as soon the concern about Privileged Commications came up............ a clever prosecutor would have insisted upon it himself!)

Already covered here:

 

The letter also shows that in the interim, DOJ asked President Joe Biden to authorize NARA to provide the records to investigators despite an effort by Trump to claim executive privilege over the records. Wall indicated she had rejected Trump’s claim because of the significance of the documents to national security.

 

“NARA informed the Department of Justice about that discovery, which prompted the Department to ask the President to request that NARA provide the FBI with access to the boxes at issue so that the FBI and others in the Intelligence Community could examine them,” Wall wrote.

Biden, according to Wall, then delegated the privilege decision to her, in consultation with the Justice Department.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/23/national-archives-letter-trump-security-00053250

[heybruce]

42 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Not sure why you'd laugh.

 

We already know they took his passports......... then denied they had them...... then returned them.

 

So yeah, there could very well be any number of things that are, in fact, HIS documents. We've already seen that proved with his passports.

 

Laughing at appropriate times, that's one thing. But laughing at inappropriate times? Well......... my........

 

...........That usually falls back on the one doing the laughing!

 

Ah Ha A-hahaahhaha! (Sometimes with buggy, Marty Feldman eyes!)

 

*wink*

They didn't take his passports.

 

"§ 51.7 Passport property of the U.S. Government.

(a) A passport at all times remains the property of the United States and must be returned to the U.S. Government upon demand.

(b) Law enforcement authorities who take possession of a passport for use in an investigation or prosecution must return the passport to the Department on completion of the investigation and/or prosecution."   https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/51.7

[KanchanaburiGuy]

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Since when did the FBI deny they had his passports? They were the ones that in fact notified him they had them and they could be collected, he then went onto make accusations after being notified.

The FBI's bosses........ the DOJ....... denied having them. 

 

I never said the FBI denied having them.

 

But whether or not the FBI or the DOJ denied having them........ isn't the point, is it?

 

The point is......... the thing I responded to was.......... laughing inappropriately......

[I want  say crazily! lol]......... at the idea that documents taken in the raid were "his property."

 

The passports having been taken during the raid......... proves that Trump's concern is valid.

 

Generally speaking.......... valid concerns .........are not the things one laughs at!