Major Thai agencies predicting repeat of Bangkok's "2011 Great Flood" - city will disappear altogether by 2100 unless govt acts

[Crossy]

5 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

So it will soon become Venice of the orient. The tuk tuk drivers will have to trade in their machines for gondolas.

 

Before The Flood our local moto-taxi guys would go to the market etc. for a nominal fee. They were just a phone call away!

 

About a week after Madam got flooded into our condo (I was working away) she got a call from the moto guys "we're back in business", give them a call and they arrived in a long-tail after visiting the market (now moved onto an overpass).

 

Thai's are not particularly good at planning, but they are amazing at coping!

 

[ozimoron]

27 minutes ago, AnotherFarang8 said:

It didn’t go well for Sri Lanka where fertiliser production was cut after their government listened to climate change cultists, now food is scarce. It is not going well for energy prices after many countries stopped investments in fossil fuel production. Hopefully Thailand doesn’t give too much floor to these pseudo scientists to avoid getting srilanka’d.

Disinformation, the decision to ban fertiliser had nothing to do with climate change. It was an issue of chemical pollution. And it was imports, not production. Part of the rationale was foreign reserves were being depleted.

 

The big clue as to whether a post is disinformation is lack of a link.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/20/sri-lanka-fertiliser-ban-president-rajapaksa-farmers-harvests-collapse

Edited August 31, 2022 by ozimoron

[Crossy]

1 minute ago, proton said:

At least it will solve the soi dog problem ????

 

Possibly.

 

One flooded morning Madam wandered down to condo reception for a natter with the other residents who had decided to sit it out to the sight of the lone security guard trying to persuade a crocodile that the reception area wasn't a good place to take up residence!

 

[sammieuk1]

If only there was a general to order it gone Prawit start the balloon inflation we are going down ???? 

[George Aylesham]

Indonesia has already decided to move its capital from Jakarta for this very reason. Saigon (HCMC), Manila and further afield, Shanghai, Tokyo, Taipei and Dhaka face similar fates in a foreseeable future. See the UN report 'Sinking Cities, Rising Seas' for more details.

[MrJ2U]

Better get started.

 

 

[arithai12]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

Funny that people build towns and cities and houses on historic flood plains and then moan about flooding !

When "cities" were built, they didn't have paved roads and
trains and electricity and skyscrapers and they didn't need to commute

to work and didn't have global commerce.

A flood did not do as much damage as it does today.

Edited August 31, 2022 by arithai12

[Yorkshire Tea]

9 minutes ago, arithai12 said:

When "cities" were built, they didn't have paved roads and
trains and electricity and skyscrapers and they didn't need to commute

to work and didn't have global commerce.

A flood did not do as much damage as it does today.

But a lot of urban areas have expanded onto known flood plains.

[Surasak]

3 hours ago, blazes said:

This little sentence stands all by itself in the middle of the story. Why? 

What poppycock.    When are the climate alarmists going to accept that climate has been "changing" for 4 billion years. 

It was once possible (10,000 years ago) to walk from the east coast of England to what is now Denmark....It was called Doggerland.

Part of which is still there, but a few meters below sea level now.

[Skeptic7]

Buh-Bye. ????

[Surasak]

Am I correct in my thinking, there were severe floods in Bangkok, maybe 1992?

[Formaleins]

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets."

[Smithson]

1 hour ago, orchidfan said:

I remember the Great flood of 2011 NOT fondly. 

Downstairs of the house and garden under metres of filthy smelling water for months. 

Moved what we could upstairs but still a lot of damage to built in furniture, garden 90% dead.

Only transport in or out of the property by boat (until we finally abandoned and went to our condo).

I think we got B20,000 compensation for hundreds of thousands of baht in damages.

 

As I recall it was brought on by 3 consecutive tropical storms (which had been typhoons before making land fall) then the decision to open the flood gates upstream and let us in Pathum Thani cop it. 

 

Hopefully not again !

From memory 2011 was similar to this year, it just rained almost every day for months. Towards the end of the rains the dams were full, they were forced to release water despite tropical storms, with still more water coming from the North.

 

I've been thinking about this the past few weeks. I'm not surprised to read this prediction, if the rains don't ease up we are in trouble.

[Swampy999]

Looks like those new submarines will come in handy after all although it will take a lot of new recruits to row them.

[goatfarmer]

3 hours ago, blazes said:

This little sentence stands all by itself in the middle of the story. Why? 

What poppycock.    When are the climate alarmists going to accept that climate has been "changing" for 4 billion years. 

It was once possible (10,000 years ago) to walk from the east coast of England to what is now Denmark....It was called Doggerland.

It can be linked to climate change if 'climate change' means whatever you want it to mean.

[ThailandRyan]

Buying a lift to attach to the side of my penthouse unit on the 45th floor, so I can lift up my boat and store it on the balcony.  Then I can go and come as I need navigating the waterways of BKK.

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, proton said:

At least it will solve the soi dog problem ????

Nah they will just takeover a boat and become dog pirates.......arf ye matey

[Swampy999]

32 minutes ago, arithai12 said:

When "cities" were built, they didn't have paved roads and
trains and electricity and skyscrapers and they didn't need to commute

to work and didn't have global commerce.

A flood did not do as much damage as it does today.

It did as much damage then as it does today or was getting your house washed away different years ago?

[goatfarmer]

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Funny that people build towns and cities and houses on historic flood plains and then moan about flooding !

As urban populations grow flood risk increases.

Bangkok: 2.5% growth per year = double the population of late 80's.
https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/22617/bangkok/population

[TKDfella]

1 hour ago, Millcx said:

Predictions were we are gonna die in 10 years if we don’t handle climate change .. So these countries who are pushing the dodgy climate change sit back as the worst countries like China and Russia do nothing .. Mother Nature is just doing what she did centuries ago

Well, unfortunately China has decided to re-invest in more new coal-fired power stations to meet its energy requirements. This according to an article in The Conversation. Apparently in 2020 (I haven't checked for authenticity) China produced more than 254,000 Megawatts from Solar power (USA 75,500 MW) but it could not keep up with demand hence re-investing in coal. Some see this as the world being unable to achieve the 1.5⁰ limit/goal. Guess we'll have to wait and see. (I have already commented on the other 'climate change' thread, 'Bangkok morning turns to night' so I won't repeat it here but yes 'natural climate change' happens everywhere but...)

[3NUMBAS]

its been known for ages. heads in the sand  ...

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, blazes said:

This little sentence stands all by itself in the middle of the story. Why? 

What poppycock.    When are the climate alarmists going to accept that climate has been "changing" for 4 billion years. 

It was once possible (10,000 years ago) to walk from the east coast of England to what is now Denmark....It was called Doggerland.

The difference is, the climate we have now is changing due to anthropomorphic emissions of carbon dioxide. Which have trended upwards ever since the Industrial Revolution. Fact.

As less than 1% of the world's population has any education in thermodynamics, it is easy for climate deniers to push the false narrative of a natural cycle.

[ikke1959]

Decades ago the Prince of Orange of teh Netherlands offered help for water management. But Thailand did not needed it and could solve the problem itself... So if never help is accepted from abroad, and think that the country can do everything by itself, don't complain

[Denim]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

They said that the Thai government needs to act now

No no no ....a thousand times no.

 

For heavens sake , this is Thailand and the correct thing to do , something that is long steeped in tradition , is wait for disaster to strike  and THEN and only then , throw a lot of money at it ( opportunities for siphoning off cash ) . Shutting the door after the horse has bolted is set in stone here. 

 

This is the way forward ( as backward as it sounds to us ) 

 

I approached my local electricity authority with photographs of trees hanging dangerously over the wires strung between posts outside our house. It was only a matter of time before a strong wind blew them onto the cables and the whole soi would lose their electricity.

 

' But its ok right now ' they said

So go home and if they fall we will fix it.

 

Three weeks later ....big storm, down came branches and off went electricity. In fairness , they had it repaired 4 hours later but the ' prevention is better than a cure ' concept has not even made it to the conceptual stage here.

[onthedarkside]

A trolling post with a profanity meme graphic has been removed.

 

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, 2long said:

What does "a different form of flooding to the Great Flood of 2011" mean?

 

Well, I suggest that in addition to chaining boats to the bridges, they should chain helicopters to the roofs of the most-important buildings!! ????

 

On that note, WHY do we have the plural of roof as roofs? hoof/hooves(& hoofs) leaf/leaves calf/calves etc etc ????

Panic not, you can use rooves as well.

[nauseus]

40 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The difference is, the climate we have now is changing due to anthropomorphic emissions of carbon dioxide. Which have trended upwards ever since the Industrial Revolution. Fact.

As less than 1% of the world's population has any education in thermodynamics, it is easy for climate deniers to push the false narrative of a natural cycle.

You have to consider numerous factors. Anthropogenic GGs, including CO₂ are a relatively new addition to the earth's atmosphere but the climate would be changing anyway without them, as it always has.

Edited August 31, 2022 by nauseus

[Iamfalang]

I predict everything by the year 2100.

 

if wrong, I'll personally give you 100 million baht.

 

You can buy my book today for only 400,000 baht.  

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You have to consider numerous factors. Anthropogenic GGs, including CO₂ are a relatively new addition to the earth's atmosphere but the climate would be changing anyway without them, as it always has.

Yes, it would get milder as the earth would be cooling. Climate changes due to natural causes happen at a tiny fraction of the rate that it's changing now.

[realfunster]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Prof Seri said one is needed to be erected from Pattaya to Cha-Am. This would create a massive fresh water lake in the Gulf of Thailand changing industries and tourism for ever.

 

Hmm, I understand the distance between Cha-am and Pattaya, across the Gulf of Thailand, is 100km. Taking an educated punt that this would be the biggest and most expensive Thai infrastructure project ever, and by some margin.

Seems plausible. 
 

Even if they do build it, it’s just kicking the can down the road and they will still have to effectively control the water levels in “Lake Thailand”.

Based on previous experience, I can’t say I am particularly confident they can do that…
 

I also wonder if Prof Seri is on the board of any companies operating in a related business? ????????