Disgraced Prince Andrew heckled at Queen Elizabeth’s funeral procession

[Scott]

 

A Scottish man heckled disgraced Prince Andrew at Queen Elizabeth’s funeral procession Monday, telling the Queen’s son he is a “sick old man.”

The man was swiftly arrested after shouting at the prince while his older brother, King Charles III, led the procession of the late Queen’s coffin to St. Giles’ Cathedral.

“Andrew, you’re a sick old man,” the heckler shouted before being yanked out of the crowd by a cop and members of the crowd.

 

https://nypost.com/2022/09/12/prince-andrew-heckled-at-queen-elizabeths-funeral-procession/

[Chomper Higgot]

If he won’t face Justice what right does he have to public respect?

 

 

[JonnyF]

There is a time and a place for everything.

 

Heckling a man who is attending his mother's funeral is an incredibly low thing to do.

 

Besides, the money grabber Guiffre was of legal age when she claims to have had consenual sex with Andrew for money, and herself admitted to help traffick other girls for sexual purposes. 

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, Scott said:

Andrew, you’re a sick old man,” the heckler shouted

True enough. 

[DaLa]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If he won’t face Justice what right does he have to public respect?

 

 

'Public respect' , at your mother's funeral procession ?

[Bluespunk]

He's not the only one been arrested for expressing his views

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62883713

[jak2002003]

15 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

He's not the only one been arrested for expressing his views

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62883713

It's crazy.  Uk is getting like here now. Not allowed to protest, not allowed to say anything negative about UK royalty.  

[JonnyF]

50 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

He's not the only one been arrested for expressing his views

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62883713

It's pathetic isn't it. What happened to freedom of expression? Unfortunately, the trend has been set where people are going to be arrested for causing offence and hurting other people's feelings. Therefore, if that is the way forward (I wish it wasn't) then it must work both ways.

 

If it's OK to arrest someone for upsetting someone at a pride march or tweeting something that the LGBT squad don't like, then it must also be acceptable to arrest someone who upsets a staunch monarchist.

 

People never like it when an environment they helped to create is then used against them.

 

 

[JonnyF]

47 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

It's crazy.  Uk is getting like here now. Not allowed to protest, not allowed to say anything negative about UK royalty.  

Not only royalty.

 

Say anything negative about a host of specially selected groups (currently BLM, LGBTQ+, Muslims etc.) and you face arrest. It's open season on other groups of course. It just depends on whether your group is currently one of the 'protected' groups. In the current climate following the death of our great Queen, it seems that royalists are now one of the protected groups. That's the nature of arbitrary policing policies.

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Say anything negative about a host of specially selected groups (currently BLM, LGBTQ+, Muslims etc.) and you face arrest.

Maybe because people can't help their colour, sexual orientation, religion. 

 

 

[Bluespunk]

31 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It's pathetic isn't it. What happened to freedom of expression? Unfortunately, the trend has been set where people are going to be arrested for causing offence and hurting other people's feelings. Therefore, if that is the way forward (I wish it wasn't) then it must work both ways.

 

If it's OK to arrest someone for upsetting someone at a pride march or tweeting something that the LGBT squad don't like, then it must also be acceptable to arrest someone who upsets a staunch monarchist.

 

People never like it when an environment they helped to create is then used against them.

 

 

I appear to have touched a nerve... oh and let's not confuse upsetting someone with hate speech against sections of society.

 

 

Edited September 13, 2022 by Bluespunk

[JonnyF]

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Maybe because people can't help their colour, sexual orientation, religion. 

 

 

And yet someone who is white, male and straight is not afforded the same level of protection against offense.

 

If I were a young white male from a poor working class background, struggling at school and maybe being raised in a single parent family I dare say I might find this offensive, openly displayed on a London street. And yet I don't see the creator being arrested.

 

 

Like I said, it depends on which group is currently in favour and right now following the death of the great Queen Elizabeth, the police are on the side of the monarchists. So our lovely Scottish friend heckling Andrew was bang out of luck on this occasion. He chose the wrong group to insult at the wrong time. He'd be better advised to insult white people at a BLM parade. The police would be taking the knee to him.

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I appear to have touched a nerve...

Not at all.

 

It's always amusing to see someone's hypocrisy exposed and then posting glib replies to avoid addressing the issues raised.

[VocalNeal]

5 hours ago, Scott said:

The man was swiftly arrested

I'd say removed for his own protection. 

 

Is there any evidence that he was actually arrested????

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Not at all.

 

It's always amusing to see someone's hypocrisy exposed and then posting glib replies to avoid addressing the issues raised.

As I said, lets not compare someone who has had sex with at least one trafficked woman [and rather than face a public trial settled out of court despite saying he would fight the case in court], with hate speech against sections of society because of their sexual orientation, gender, ethnicity or gender identity.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

41 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It's pathetic isn't it. What happened to freedom of expression? Unfortunately, the trend has been set where people are going to be arrested for causing offence and hurting other people's feelings. Therefore, if that is the way forward (I wish it wasn't) then it must work both ways.

 

If it's OK to arrest someone for upsetting someone at a pride march or tweeting something that the LGBT squad don't like, then it must also be acceptable to arrest someone who upsets a staunch monarchist.

 

People never like it when an environment they helped to create is then used against them.

 

 

That’s a very strange line of argument.

 

Andrew is credibly accused of sex crimes.

 

Criticizing him for this is not the same thing as abusing people over their gender.

 

Andrew has a recourse, he can claim slander and go to court, though the ‘discovery’ process might dissuade him.

 

That aside, this rightwing government has made and is making multiple assaults on the right to protest. 
 

It is a rightwing government that is criminalizing protest.

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

And yet someone who is white, male and straight is not afforded the same level of protection against offense.

 

If I were a young white male from a poor working class background, struggling at school and maybe being raised in a single parent family I dare say I might find this offensive, openly displayed on a London street. And yet I don't see the creator being arrested.

 

 

Like I said, it depends on which group is currently in favour and right now following the death of the great Queen Elizabeth, the police are on the side of the monarchists. So our lovely Scottish friend heckling Andrew was bang out of luck on this occasion. He chose the wrong group to insult at the wrong time. He'd be better advised to insult white people at a BLM parade. The police would be taking the knee to him.

I feel your pain bro.

 

I really do.

[JonnyF]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I feel your pain bro.

 

I really do.

Once again you are unable to explain why you support freedom of expression in certain cases (where you agree with the opinion being expressed) and yet support curtailing that expression in cases where you do not agree with the opinion being expressed.

 

Therefore, you resort to weak attempts at humour. 

[JonnyF]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s a very strange line of argument.

 

Andrew is credibly accused of sex crimes.

 

Criticizing him for this is not the same thing as abusing people over their gender.

 

Andrew has a recourse, he can claim slander and go to court, though the ‘discovery’ process might dissuade him.

 

That aside, this rightwing government has made and is making multiple assaults on the right to protest. 
 

It is a rightwing government that is criminalizing protest.

Andrew was accused of having paid, consensual sex with a girl of legal age. He was not convicted of anything. The woman he had sex with is a self confessed procurer of girls for prostitution.

 

I don't see you defending the right to protest when it is your pet projects that are being protested against. You want to ban protests against things you support while allowing protests against things you don't like. It is hypocritical in the extreme. You need to choose a position and stick to it. Either you support freedom of expression or you do not.

[JimmyJ]

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Edited September 13, 2022 by JimmyJ

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Once again you are unable to explain why you support freedom of expression in certain cases (where you agree with the opinion being expressed) and yet support curtailing that expression in cases where you do not agree with the opinion being expressed.

 

Therefore, you resort to weak attempts at humour. 

I support freedom where it is not using/promoting hate or deliberately spreading harmful lies and misinformation.

 

But you have a difference of opinion that does not involve harm to others, I’ll gladly debate it, as I often do.

 

That aside the current government has enacted laws and is moving to enact more laws that severely restrict the right to protest and freedom of expression.

 

That’s a threat that is currently underway.

 

 

[jak2002003]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Not only royalty.

 

Say anything negative about a host of specially selected groups (currently BLM, LGBTQ+, Muslims etc.) and you face arrest. It's open season on other groups of course. It just depends on whether your group is currently one of the 'protected' groups. In the current climate following the death of our great Queen, it seems that royalists are now one of the protected groups. That's the nature of arbitrary policing policies.

I don't really think minority groups, race, sexual orientation or gender are comparable to unelected mega rich, tax evading heads of state. ????

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Andrew was accused of having paid, consensual sex with a girl of legal age. He was not convicted of anything. The woman he had sex with is a self confessed procurer of girls for prostitution.

 

I don't see you defending the right to protest when it is your pet projects that are being protested against. You want to ban protests against things you support while allowing protests against things you don't like. It is hypocritical in the extreme. You need to choose a position and stick to it. Either you support freedom of expression or you do not.

When have I object to peaceful protests?

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If he won’t face Justice what right does he have to public respect?

What "justice" is there for him to "face" that he is not facing?  Are you suggesting that he's been indicted for something?

[CharlieH]

59 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

I'd say removed for his own protection. 

 

Is there any evidence that he was actually arrested????

 

[petermik]

There is a time and a place for everything.....berating someone showing respect at a very sad time is totally out of order.

[JonnyF]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I support freedom where it is not using/promoting hate or deliberately spreading harmful lies and misinformation.

 

But you have a difference of opinion that does not involve harm to others, I’ll gladly debate it, as I often do.

 

That aside the current government has enacted laws and is moving to enact more laws that severely restrict the right to protest and freedom of expression.

 

That’s a threat that is currently underway.

 

 

You reap what you sow.

 

You wanted it when it suited your agenda. You'll have to live with it when it doesn't.

[transam]

1 minute ago, petermik said:

There is a time and a place for everything.....berating someone showing respect at a very sad time is totally out of order.

Yes, the bloke is an absolute tool, his parents must be so proud of his TV appearance to the nation......????

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

Uk is getting like here now. Not allowed to protest, not allowed to say anything negative about UK royalty.  

No, the UK is not "getting like here", protesting is permitted in the UK, just as free speech is.  Those who were arrested in the UK were initially arrested for public order offences, not for protesting or having an opinion.

[JonnyF]

19 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

I don't really think minority groups, race, sexual orientation or gender are comparable to unelected mega rich, tax evading heads of state. ????

You appear unable to distinguish between the concept of freedom of expression, and the specific groups being protested against on this particular occasion.

 

You cannot support freedom of expression for causes you support (minorities), and oppose it for groups you do not support (the Monarchy). You either have it for all, or for none.