Has the world gone woke or mad

[talahtnut]

The two party system, invented years ago by the real governing power,

is a diversion to keep you busy arguing with each other and to

believe you have some democratic power.

In fact your vote has 0.001% effect on the real government decisions.

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

The two party system, invented years ago by the real governing power,

is a diversion to keep you busy arguing with each other and to

believe you have some democratic power.

In fact your vote has 0.001% effect on the real government decisions.

 

Who are the "real governing power" ?

[Andre0720]

32 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

A ton is 2240 pounds, there are short tons and long tons just to add more confusion. A TONNE is 1000 kilograms.

I can remember wondering how America got to the moon without going metric.

Is a metric ton the same as an imperial ton?

Regardless, if you're writing for a US audience, remember: A 'ton' is a North American short ton (907.18474 kg or 2,000 lbs). An 'imperial ton' is a British long ton (1,016.047 kg or 2,240 lbs). A 'metric ton' is a tonne (1,000 kg or 2,204.6 lbs).

To further complicate things, a Ton may relate to two different weights. In the United States, they measure by the US Ton or short Ton, while the British Ton, known as an Imperial Ton or long Ton is heavier.

A short Ton is the US customary version, is equal to 2,000 pounds

A long Ton is the mostly outdated Imperial Ton, is equal to 2,240 pounds

A tonne, also known as a metric Ton, is equal to 1000kg, (or 2,204.6 pound

 

But quite right about confusion in the US:

Why does Ton vs tonne matter?

The difference between measuring in Metric or Imperial has implications in international trade, especially in large projects with many moving parts.

In 1999, NASA lost a $125 million Mars orbiter because of a Metric/Imperial confusion. Reports stated that a contracted engineering team used the English units of measurement ,while the agency’s team used the metric system. The results are now strewn across the surface of Mars.

[Lacessit]

48 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

Is a metric ton the same as an imperial ton?

Regardless, if you're writing for a US audience, remember: A 'ton' is a North American short ton (907.18474 kg or 2,000 lbs). An 'imperial ton' is a British long ton (1,016.047 kg or 2,240 lbs). A 'metric ton' is a tonne (1,000 kg or 2,204.6 lbs).

To further complicate things, a Ton may relate to two different weights. In the United States, they measure by the US Ton or short Ton, while the British Ton, known as an Imperial Ton or long Ton is heavier.

A short Ton is the US customary version, is equal to 2,000 pounds

A long Ton is the mostly outdated Imperial Ton, is equal to 2,240 pounds

A tonne, also known as a metric Ton, is equal to 1000kg, (or 2,204.6 pound

 

But quite right about confusion in the US:

Why does Ton vs tonne matter?

The difference between measuring in Metric or Imperial has implications in international trade, especially in large projects with many moving parts.

In 1999, NASA lost a $125 million Mars orbiter because of a Metric/Imperial confusion. Reports stated that a contracted engineering team used the English units of measurement ,while the agency’s team used the metric system. The results are now strewn across the surface of Mars.

I can remember back in the day measuring stack emissions in milligrams per cubic metre. A fairly simple calculation. Then trying to reconcile the result with a US standard which quoted grains per cubic foot.

[spidermike007]

6 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

I watch a lot of UK tv series, and it is absolutely guaranteed that there will be a mixed race couple, a lesbian or homosexual relationship (or both), and a single parent. It's like they have to tick those boxes in order to get permission and finance to make the shows. The shows should surely reflect society as a whole, but they always show the 'extreme' edges and make that appear to be what is common and normal. It's exactly the same with tv commercials, if not more so.

True that. And though I am very open minded, not conservative, and supportive of reasonable choices (is establishing the identity of a wolf or a cat a reasonable choice for a 13 year old in grade school?), I hate having this Uber PC agenda crammed down my throat. The liberals and extremist Dems are alienating alof of people with that zaniness. 

 

 

Edited November 10, 2022 by spidermike007

[Fat is a type of crazy]

11 hours ago, BritManToo said:

You only see what those who run the world want you to see.

You only feel what those who run the world want you to feel.

 

The  want rid of Putin, and what you are shown will be to that end..

That's a big claim. I talked about feelings and you dismiss them as open to manipulation. But is your belief in spooky overlords based on much more than a feeling. 

A lesser claim might be that many people are motivated by money and power and conflicting forces, governments, media, large corporations impact what is seen.  We can get manipulated but learn to trust some things more than others.

Some people are trying to do good things and report the truth and put their reputations on the line to do so. Do you believe that or do you think everyone is flawed beyond redemption - either as an evil controller or a manipulated sheep.  

Those who give up on all government, media, etc can run the risk of giving up on human nature and fall to even more manipulative forces, authoritarians or the even more cynical, who tell the distrustful things they want to hear. 

 

 

Edited November 10, 2022 by Fat is a type of crazy

[chalawaan]

Yet another "world gone mad" post. 

 

You know what was really world gone mad?

 

The 1914-18 war. 

 

Stop whining about the inevitable you cannot change, and enjoy the few months you have left. 

 

Maybe even do something nice for someone you never met?

 

Wow, kindness, what a radical concept eh?

[DBath]

The world is full of pathetic cry babies and this is only enhanced by social media, which continues to give them a platform to put forth their incessant whining. 
 

I left the US in January 2020 and have no intention of ever returning. This latest round of BS politics has only heightened my resolve. Any country that would allow someone like Biden, Fetterman or even Trump - for that matter - to be in a position of leadership is beyond redemption, IMO. 

[DBath]

9 hours ago, Andre0720 said:

Is a metric ton the same as an imperial ton?

Regardless, if you're writing for a US audience, remember: A 'ton' is a North American short ton (907.18474 kg or 2,000 lbs). An 'imperial ton' is a British long ton (1,016.047 kg or 2,240 lbs). A 'metric ton' is a tonne (1,000 kg or 2,204.6 lbs).

To further complicate things, a Ton may relate to two different weights. In the United States, they measure by the US Ton or short Ton, while the British Ton, known as an Imperial Ton or long Ton is heavier.

A short Ton is the US customary version, is equal to 2,000 pounds

A long Ton is the mostly outdated Imperial Ton, is equal to 2,240 pounds

A tonne, also known as a metric Ton, is equal to 1000kg, (or 2,204.6 pound

 

But quite right about confusion in the US:

Why does Ton vs tonne matter?

The difference between measuring in Metric or Imperial has implications in international trade, especially in large projects with many moving parts.

In 1999, NASA lost a $125 million Mars orbiter because of a Metric/Imperial confusion. Reports stated that a contracted engineering team used the English units of measurement ,while the agency’s team used the metric system. The results are now strewn across the surface of Mars.

I just made a note to send you greetings on the next 4th of July. ????

[chalawaan]

On 11/10/2022 at 9:27 AM, georgegeorgia said:

The woke movement in Australia seem to be very different from America 

The Australian woke socialists are Anti Christian but pro Muslim.

Hate  middle aged white men 

Pro gay & pro transgender 

Believe their should be no prisons 

 

Why is it that right wingers, without fail,  can't spell and/or differentiate between similar sounding words in their native language?

 

Maybe answer that before tackling the more complex social issues of our society.

 

 

[DBath]

On 11/9/2022 at 9:13 AM, mikebike said:

Define "woke" for us all. So many peeps use it in different ways, it is difficult to comment without a mutually agreed upon definition.

I’m always amused by people (like you) who are compelled to ask for definitions of the obvious. 

[seedy]

10 hours ago, talahtnut said:

The two party system, invented years ago by the real governing power,

is a diversion to keep you busy arguing with each other and to

believe you have some democratic power.

In fact your vote has 0.001% effect on the real government decisions.

 

Hear Hear

Funny how both parties send their kids to the same schools, belong to the same clubs, socialize together.

Face It - the Deck is rigged.

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

But is your belief in spooky overlords based on much more than a feeling. 

No, I used to work for them.

[Tropposurfer]

If one was to sit down and talk in a considered and critical way with someone (anyone) who uses this word most who do use it have zero capacity to actually define in any way what this word actually means to them.

What is offered, vomited up from the psyche is the usually glib, shallow, misinformed, un-processed, bigoted prejudices and fears conveniently and psychologically lazily and oh-so predictably projected outward.

I.e. I don't like you. I'm not going to reflect on what how and why that may be in me, so what name can I find to describe you that satisfies and feeds mine, and my groups fear and bigotry.

This is precisely the reason for using such nomenclature i.e. it is a convenient way to objectify and cast out and call 'the other' those who think and believe differently to the woke and the woke-loathers alike.

If one was to actually sit and discus and chew such labels and to study, even in somewhat simple term, one would have opportunity to see that mankind swings on a continuum from polarity to polarity. Sometimes as a species we settle in the middle in a somewhat balanced places on that continuum.

But first what happens is we swing more wildly until balance is achieved. This is evident both in the hateful fearful vitriolic naming and use of such nomenclature to describe 'the other'. To use such language without careful reflection and moderating adjustments offers us up to the darkest of humanity and the horrors that lurk in our shadow-side.

How apt a topic for today seeing as today is Armistice Day. A day to bow our heads in silence and sit with the horror of the extremities when we objectify other human beings. 

As for looking to the average American for any semblance of nuanced understandings of the world and mankind's social structures I shan't hold my breathe for this to emerge lest I turn blue.

[oldies1]

On 11/9/2022 at 3:24 PM, still kicking said:

The millennium generation is nothing more than a bunch of retarded crackpots ! 

I made a list of their ridiculous "new" language (words and sayings)

[AndyFoxy]

16 minutes ago, oldies1 said:

I don't see birthing person (woman) on that list.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

The meaning of WOKE is aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice). - Merriam-Webster-Webster Dictionary

Originally. Now it's been changed to to a word that mocks ultra liberals and PC people.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Tropposurfer said:

I.e. I don't like you. I'm not going to reflect on what how and why that may be in me, so what name can I find to describe you that satisfies and feeds mine, and my groups fear and bigotry.

I don't like woke people, and if the word didn't exist I'd use rather more unpleasant words to describe them.

I don't "fear" them ( they are certainly not a physical threat to me ), but pity would be appropriate.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Who are the "real governing power" ?

None of us will ever know.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, DBath said:

The world is full of pathetic cry babies and this is only enhanced by social media, which continues to give them a platform to put forth their incessant whining. 
 

I left the US in January 2020 and have no intention of ever returning. This latest round of BS politics has only heightened my resolve. Any country that would allow someone like Biden, Fetterman or even Trump - for that matter - to be in a position of leadership is beyond redemption, IMO. 

Unfortunately many places that are not infected by woke ism are generally places we wouldn't want to live in. So far Thailand has managed to avoid being sucked down the woke plug hole, but even there I've seen the stirrings of the dreaded lurgy.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, chalawaan said:

Yet another "world gone mad" post. 

 

You know what was really world gone mad?

 

The 1914-18 war. 

 

Stop whining about the inevitable you cannot change, and enjoy the few months you have left. 

 

Maybe even do something nice for someone you never met?

 

Wow, kindness, what a radical concept eh?

Perhaps we enjoy such posts and you don't need to look at them if you disagree.

 

Unfortunately there are plenty of modern world gone mad situations to be going on about.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I hate having this Uber PC agenda crammed down my throat. The liberals and extremist Dems are alienating alof of people with that zaniness. 

I don't think "zany" is the correct word, but no matter.

 

What has happened is that those people have been busily getting themselves in positions of influence in organisations and remaking those organisations to their own desire. The one I know best is nursing, where the top management went woke and forced the change from hospital training to university qualification, which now means not enough people want to be nurses anymore, but nursing has IMO gone woke.

 

IMO teaching has also been corrupted to the point where a man would, IMO, have to be crazy to be a teacher. No more male role models, and they don't seem capable of educating children any more, except in private schools.

Edited November 11, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[jak2002003]

Why is it only old white straight men that have this problem with  'woke' people?  

 

They are feeling inadequate....all their lives they held the power, to bully and control people to conform to their views.  Now they feel insecure and out of their small narrow minded comfort zone. 

 

They keep ranting about 'woke' and getting angry, belittling people, and acting like a spoilt child that is not getting their way.

 

They complain woke people are oversensitive and weak...yet their can't see the irony of how they are acting looks cringe worthy and embarrassing these days......

 

Realistically, I would rather have a society of caring and sensitive people who care about others, even if I find them a bit strange, than hateful bigoted old men who nasty and close minded.  If you want that go and live in some dictatorship or strict Muslim country.  

 

 

[BritManToo]

19 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

  If you want that go and live in some dictatorship or strict Muslim country.  

I thought I already did! 

[wwest5829]

On 11/9/2022 at 3:19 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

Stupid, crazy and mad people exist since forever.

Now they have a lot more publicity. And some people are confused and join those idiots.

And some people have good intentions, i.e. not to be racists, but then they are caught up in some stupid movement.

 

Maybe that is more of a sign about the people who were not elected. What does it mean if a bad candidate was elected? Probably the alternative was even worse.

 

Recently I watch a lot of YouTube videos. For whatever reason the algorism puts lots of right leaning presenters on the top of my page. And when I watch those videos, I often agree with them how crazy some people on the left are. Yes, they are crazy. And now? Is that a reason to vote right? Or should right leaning candidates also be examined? Are they maybe also crazy in other ways?

The problem is that there are many extreme candidates on both sides and there is no good alternative. People have to choose between one or the other idiot/radial/extremist. 

 

It's time that the not so extreme people wake up and give people better, not extreme, alternatives. I am sure lots of people would like to vote for smart and sane people who have the best interest of the people and the country in mind. But where are these smart and sane candidates? And how many sane people are willing to compete in this crazy "game"?

Think you hit the nail on the head at the end. Very few smart, sane people would subject themselves to what it would take to get elected in the USA. This is true even at the local level elections in this political climate. Must be what the citizens want … the madness to continue for they gave neither party a clear majority to achieve goals addressing the justified frustration/anger in the American working class.

[wwest5829]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't think "zany" is the correct word, but no matter.

 

What has happened is that those people have been busily getting themselves in positions of influence in organisations and remaking those organisations to their own desire. The one I know best is nursing, where the top management went woke and forced the change from hospital training to university qualification, which now means not enough people want to be nurses anymore, but nursing has IMO gone woke.

 

IMO teaching has also been corrupted to the point where a man would, IMO, have to be crazy to be a teacher. No more male role models, and they don't seem capable of educating children any more, except in private schools.

41 years as a classroom teacher, retired in a lower cost country, in large measure, because I cannot afford a working middle class retirement in the USA. Think that might have more to do with the lack of teachers and nurses in addition to the work demands and both being groomed into thinking that these callings are to be oriented toward profit making models. Both groups would be considered “woke” by DeSantis measures because they are educated. “Woke” is the new slam instead of educated elite or liberal.

[wwest5829]

On 11/9/2022 at 3:44 PM, Sparktrader said:

Yes, thats where it gets dodgy.

Ha! Oh, yes, my “postal vote” as an Absentee Ballot sent from a foreign country. I’m thinking far too Americans understand how the state determined voting regulations work, including the checks on validation of voters.

[DBath]

4 hours ago, Tropposurfer said:

If one was to sit down and talk in a considered and critical way with someone (anyone) who uses this word most who do use it have zero capacity to actually define in any way what this word actually means to them.

What is offered, vomited up from the psyche is the usually glib, shallow, misinformed, un-processed, bigoted prejudices and fears conveniently and psychologically lazily and oh-so predictably projected outward.

I.e. I don't like you. I'm not going to reflect on what how and why that may be in me, so what name can I find to describe you that satisfies and feeds mine, and my groups fear and bigotry.

This is precisely the reason for using such nomenclature i.e. it is a convenient way to objectify and cast out and call 'the other' those who think and believe differently to the woke and the woke-loathers alike.

If one was to actually sit and discus and chew such labels and to study, even in somewhat simple term, one would have opportunity to see that mankind swings on a continuum from polarity to polarity. Sometimes as a species we settle in the middle in a somewhat balanced places on that continuum.

But first what happens is we swing more wildly until balance is achieved. This is evident both in the hateful fearful vitriolic naming and use of such nomenclature to describe 'the other'. To use such language without careful reflection and moderating adjustments offers us up to the darkest of humanity and the horrors that lurk in our shadow-side.

How apt a topic for today seeing as today is Armistice Day. A day to bow our heads in silence and sit with the horror of the extremities when we objectify other human beings. 

As for looking to the average American for any semblance of nuanced understandings of the world and mankind's social structures I shan't hold my breathe for this to emerge lest I turn blue.

Wow, that’s a real mouthful there….I can tell you’re the type who goes to great lengths to describe anyone who disagrees with you, but perhaps many of those ‘right wingers’ you refer to in your rant are simply better at saying what’s needed by using fewer words and labels than you. ????

[thaibeachlovers]

17 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

41 years as a classroom teacher, retired in a lower cost country, in large measure, because I cannot afford a working middle class retirement in the USA. Think that might have more to do with the lack of teachers and nurses in addition to the work demands and both being groomed into thinking that these callings are to be oriented toward profit making models. Both groups would be considered “woke” by DeSantis measures because they are educated. “Woke” is the new slam instead of educated elite or liberal.

Far as nursing is concerned, why would anyone except the most sacrificing pay large to go to university to become a nurse, only to get paid a pittance in comparison to other jobs, that are waaaay less stressful? I'm not referring to the US where I believe they get paid quite well. Nurses are striking in the UK over pay.

I don't know much about teaching other than it's a risky workplace for men given the potential to be accused of bad things by vicious students, who are apparently always believed over men.

[DBath]

1 hour ago, jak2002003 said:

Why is it only old white straight men that have this problem with  'woke' people?  

 

They are feeling inadequate....all their lives they held the power, to bully and control people to conform to their views.  Now they feel insecure and out of their small narrow minded comfort zone. 

 

They keep ranting about 'woke' and getting angry, belittling people, and acting like a spoilt child that is not getting their way.

 

They complain woke people are oversensitive and weak...yet their can't see the irony of how they are acting looks cringe worthy and embarrassing these days......

 

Realistically, I would rather have a society of caring and sensitive people who care about others, even if I find them a bit strange, than hateful bigoted old men who nasty and close minded.  If you want that go and live in some dictatorship or strict Muslim country.  

 

 

Your indulged over-generalizations and grand assumptions really don’t project much maturity. In fact they make you sound like the ‘spoilt child’ you just referred to - bitter even.