Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[Bluespunk]

17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I don't think that the Northern Irish would agree to that and also many Irish don't want that either 

Garbage.
 

You are absolutely clueless as to what the people of Ireland wish. 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 hours ago, RayC said:

 

 

As things currently stand, there is no legal reason why the NI Protocol requires amendment from either an EU or UK standpoint.

Well, it is currently going through the legal process and the outcome is awaited , so yes, its not actually  illegal, but the legal judgement is being awaited .

   But my point is that not all sides agree to the current situation 

[puchooay]

9 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Garbage.
 

You are absolutely clueless as to what the people of Ireland wish. 

 

I would say the last vote for self determination would be the best place to start. 

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, puchooay said:

I would say the last vote for self determination would be the best place to start. 

Really?

 

I’d say the fact that sein  fein is the largest party on both sides of the border is a better indication of the views of the Irish as a whole. 

The poster you so inadequately defend claimed the Irish populace, on both sides of the border, do not want unification, a claim that is wrong. 
 

And let us not forget polls show a majority in the Ulster counties support the Northern Ireland protocol. 

As did the last round of Stormont elections. 

 

A vote the unionist parties are not respecting. 

Edited January 1, 2023 by Bluespunk
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[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, puchooay said:

I would say the last vote for self determination would be the best place to start. 

You mean the one 50 years ago which was boycotted by the nationalists.

I'd say the latest elections give a better feel for the present opinion on this.

[kwilco]

28 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

he UK is now sending them straight back home on airplanes or to Rwanda 

sent back home?

 

How many asylum seekers came from Rwanda, then?

how many have been sent their by UK? - None!

Is this typical Brexit thinking?

 

[puchooay]

9 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Really?

 

I’d say the fact that sein  fein is the largest party on both sides of the border is a better indication of the views of the Irish as a whole. 

The poster you so inadequately defend claimed the Irish populace, on both sides of the border, do not want unification, a claim that is wrong. 
 

And let us not forget polls show a majority in the Ulster counties support the Northern Ireland protocol. 

As did the last round of Stormont elections. 

 

A vote the unionist parties are not respecting. 

I did say the best place to start. The Scots voted to stay in the union but then SNP won most votes at the next election, yet some polls suggest they would vote remain again.

 

Nice to see you are respecting poll results too. 

 

BTW, I'm not trying to defend anyone. I quoted a post and gave a suggestion. That is all.

[Mac Mickmanus]

13 minutes ago, kwilco said:

sent back home?

 

How many asylum seekers came from Rwanda, then?

how many have been sent their by UK? - None!

Is this typical Brexit thinking?

 

You didn't understand my post

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, puchooay said:

I did say the best place to start. The Scots voted to stay in the union but then SNP won most votes at the next election, yet some polls suggest they would vote remain again.

 

Nice to see you are respecting poll results too. 

 

BTW, I'm not trying to defend anyone. I quoted a post and gave a suggestion. That is all.

Where does my post refer to Scotland?

 

You do know Eire, Northern Ireland and Scotland are not the same country?

 

Thiugh in time Eire and the Ulster Counties may be united, if that be the peoples will. 
 

Intended or not your defence was inadequate. 

[puchooay]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Where does my post refer to Scotland?

 

You do know Eire, Northern Ireland and Scotland are not the same country?

 

Thiugh in time Eire and the Ulster Counties may be united, if that be the peoples will. 
 

Intended or not your defence was inadequate. 

You didn't refer to Scotland.

 

I used Scotland as an example of differences between elections and independence or self determination voting result.

 

Your feeling of superiority undermines you.

 

Thanks for trying though.

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, puchooay said:

You didn't refer to Scotland.

 

I used Scotland as an example of differences between elections and independence or self determination voting result.

 

Your feeling of superiority undermines you.

 

Thanks for trying though.

Scotland is not Ireland and the situation of each country is not the same. 
 

What you mistake for superiority is simply pointing out evidence based facts….

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was E.U rules that was the reason for UK (blue) passports being made in Poland 

Dam i want my red one back. 

[Kwasaki]

31 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Really?

 

I’d say the fact that sein  fein is the largest party on both sides of the border is a better indication of the views of the Irish as a whole. 

The poster you so inadequately defend claimed the Irish populace, on both sides of the border, do not want unification, a claim that is wrong. 
 

And let us not forget polls show a majority in the Ulster counties support the Northern Ireland protocol. 

As did the last round of Stormont elections. 

 

A vote the unionist parties are not respecting. 

Which would make it time to get rid of Nth Ireland one way or another.

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Which would make it time to get rid of Nth Ireland one way or another.

That is for the Irish to decide under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement which ended the violence of The Troubles. 

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was E.U rules that was the reason for UK (blue) passports being made in Poland 

Was it?

 

The U.K. govt could have chosen the U.K. bidder in 2018 but instead chose a French-Dutch company operating in Poland. 
 

Which eu rule forced the U.K. govt to reject the U.K. companies bid?

[Kwasaki]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

That is for the Irish to decide under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement which ended the violence of The Troubles. 

I just wish the best for the future for UK so if Nth Ireland wanted to stay EU maybe that could be used for another vote for them and the majority of the Nth Irish people to decide.

If there's trouble after that it would be their problem and the EU's. 

[puchooay]

19 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Scotland is not Ireland and the situation of each country is not the same. 
 

What you mistake for superiority is simply pointing out evidence based facts….

So, now comparisons are not permitted. That is if you don't like them.

 

 

[BritManToo]

51 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The poster you so inadequately defend claimed the Irish populace, on both sides of the border, do not want unification, a claim that is wrong. 

The Catholics do, the Protestants don't.

 

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, puchooay said:

So, now comparisons are not permitted. That is if you don't like them.

 

 

You can make all the comparisons you wish. However do not be surprised when it is pointed out they are flawed. 

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The Catholics do, the Protestants don't.

 

Nonetheless…

[puchooay]

6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You can make all the comparisons you wish. However do not be surprised when it is pointed out they are flawed. 

That would be your opinion.

 

A flawed opinion.

[Kwasaki]

11 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The Catholics do, the Protestants don't.

 

But how many protestants wanted to stay EU maybe that's where a vote could be won for leaving UK. 

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, puchooay said:

That would be your opinion.

 

A flawed opinion.

Yeah, except I have backed up the statements I have made on Ireland with facts. 
 

Do try to keep up. 

[Kwasaki]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Yeah, except I have backed up the statements I have made on Ireland with facts. 
 

Do try to keep up. 

Out of interest would it be possible for UK to get rid of Nth Ireland in some voting way or are the Protestants to much in control.? 

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

Out of interest would it be possible for UK to get rid of Nth Ireland in some voting way or are the Protestants to much in control.? 

England could have an independence vote.

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Out of interest would it be possible for UK to get rid of Nth Ireland in some voting way or are the Protestants to much in control.? 

Here’s some reading for you. 
 

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/irish-reunification

[puchooay]

16 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Yeah, except I have backed up the statements I have made on Ireland with facts. 
 

Do try to keep up. 

Excellent work.

 

Please tell me what part of my post, the one you didn't like so criticised, was not based on facts.

 

Let me help you a bit.

 

Didn't he Scottish people vote to remain in UK?

 

Did SNP increase their seats in the following  elections?

 

Thanks.

 

 

Edited January 1, 2023 by puchooay

[Kwasaki]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Here’s some reading for you. 
 

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/irish-reunification

Thanks as I read it seems to complicated for me to comprehend the outcome.

 

A verbal minefield for want of a better explanation from a hands on engineer. ????

[Bluespunk]

5 minutes ago, puchooay said:

Excellent work.

 

Please tell me what part of my post, the one you didn't like so criticised, was not based on facts.

 

Let me help you a bit.

 

Didn't he Scottish people vote to remain in UK?

 

Did SNP win more seats in the following election?

 

Thanks.

 

 

Scotland and Ireland are not the same and neither are the situations. 
 

You are trying to deflect from the fact you inadequately defended a poster who was wrong when talking about Ireland. 
 

Again Scotland and Ireland’s situation are not the same. 
 

Heres a clue for you: one is about independence and one is about unification with another country. 
 

The conditions for a vote on either are not the same. 

Edited January 1, 2023 by Bluespunk
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[puchooay]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

Scotland and Ireland are not the same and neither are the situations. 
 

You are trying to deflect from the fact you inadequately defended a poster who was wrong when talking about Ireland. 
 

Again neither Scotland and Ireland’s situation are not the same. 

That's the best prediction I've made today. 

 

That is, you would not give direct answers to my questions.

 

Excellent. 

 

Once again, I have not attempted to defend anyone.