Data from Hunter Biden's laptop is real and was not planted by Russians looking to frame the Biden family: CBS News

[heybruce]

8 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

It is you that needs some cognitive help.  You seem to be of the opinion that once Biden was no longer in office, he still could not influence people.  The fact is we have no idea what time period is covered on Hunter's computer.  We have no idea if it does or does not implicate Joe Biden.  However perhaps this is just common sense that you seem to be lacking.  A Chinese energy firm paid Hunter Biden $4.8 million in fees for his services.  They gave Hunter Biden $1.5 Billion to invest. Computer records show that Hunter Biden received $11.5 million in compensation from Burisma the Ukraine Oil & Gas Company. 

Now perhaps you lack the common sense to recognize that certainly the Chinese, and the Ukranians were not "duped" into thinking that Hunter Biden was some sort of oil and gas expert, and real estate guru.  I know this will be hard for your to comprehend, but Hunter Biden had only one skill that was valuable.  ACCESS TO HIS FATHER JOE BIDEN. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/analysis-hunter-bidens-hard-drive-shows-firm-took-11-million-2013-2018-rcna29462





https://nypost.com/2021/11/28/chinese-titan-lavished-hunter-biden-with-3-carat-gem-offer-of-30-million/








https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/20/world/hunter-biden-china-cobalt.html

The Chinese are accustomed to dealing with corrupt regimes in which they would buy influence using the relatives of leaders.  Perhaps Hunter was taking advantage of the Chinese assumption that everyone is corrupt and can be bought.  We don't know.  There is no proof of that or of President Biden being influence on China's behalf by Hunter.

[candide]

3 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Hint:  The government is divided into three branches.  The executive, legislative and judicial.  Trump controlled only one.  Biden by contrast served in Congress for 36 years and as VP for 8.  Do you really believe the only influence peddling occurs at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.  The money comes from Congress. 

Now that you've been cornered as it was impossible that Joe could have been involved in a conflict of interest because he was not holding any official function at that time (in case it may be confirmed one day he was the big guy), you move the target of your conspiracy theory. It's not only Joe, it's any congressman or Judge Joe may be acquainted with! ????

 

Whatever the scope of your conspiracy theory, it still has the same flaw: neither the Chinese oil company nor Hunter has been involved in any transaction with the U.S. government at any level. No public procurement, no licence, no subsidy, no drilling permit, etc... nothing, nada, waloo! Neither Biden, nor any other politician, could have influenced anything, because there was nothing to influence.

 

About Hunter Biden, whatever one may think of his prior experience (he's still a lawyer who graduated from Yale with years of experience, but never mind), he obviously parasited his familly name and I have no particular esteem for him. He may well have been able to oversell himself as much better than he really was. However,he was not a government official (contrary to Trump's familly) so that concerns only himself. He's being investigated by a Republican, and if he has committed any offense (from what we know, nothing more than tax fraud), then he must be treated as any private citizen.

[Longwood50]

On 1/11/2023 at 4:16 PM, candide said:

Now that you've been cornered as it was impossible that Joe could have been involved in a conflict of interest because he was not holding any official function at that time

Not an attorney but you have claimed a fact NOT IN EVIDENCE

 

You have zero knowledge that any of the transactions that are on Hunters Laptop do not cover the period of time that Biden was in office.  Also, even after leaving office, if and I repeat if Biden was using his influence to benefit another country he would have had to declare himself to be an agent for a foreign government.  Perhaps the name General Flynn might ring a bell. 

As to Hunter Biden being an attorney.  I had no idea that Law School provided intense knowledge of Oil & Gas that the Ukrainians would find so valuable nor that your JD degree made you somehow an expert in real estate investing.  

The fact is nobody pays someone else millions or gives them billions without vetting them.  You have a person in Hunter who was reckless, a drug abuser booted from the military and with no record of any accomplishments other that his ability to secure hookers.  And you really want to swallow that despite that, the Ukrainians and Chinese hired him and his firm because of his "expertise" in anything.  

The very fact that Hunter was so careless to have recorded incriminating evidence on his laptop and then forget retrieving it after it was repaired serves as pretty compelling evidence why the Chinese and Ukrainians would never hold him in high regard.  

[candide]

3 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Not an attorney but you have claimed a fact NOT IN EVIDENCE

 

You have zero knowledge that any of the transactions that are on Hunters Laptop do not cover the period of time that Biden was in office.  Also, even after leaving office, if and I repeat if Biden was using his influence to benefit another country he would have had to declare himself to be an agent for a foreign government.  Perhaps the name General Flynn might ring a bell. 

As to Hunter Biden being an attorney.  I had no idea that Law School provided intense knowledge of Oil & Gas that the Ukrainians would find so valuable nor that your JD degree made you somehow an expert in real estate investing.  

The fact is nobody pays someone else millions or gives them billions without vetting them.  You have a person in Hunter who was reckless, a drug abuser booted from the military and with no record of any accomplishments other that his ability to secure hookers.  And you really want to swallow that despite that, the Ukrainians and Chinese hired him and his firm because of his "expertise" in anything.  

The very fact that Hunter was so careless to have recorded incriminating evidence on his laptop and then forget retrieving it after it was repaired serves as pretty compelling evidence why the Chinese and Ukrainians would never hold him in high regard.  

So you start by mentioning that we don't know all what is in the laptop, and then you come up with assumptions about what may be in the laptop. Ahem...

 

(BTW, I thought the right-wing NYPost had a copy for 2 years already. Strange that they did not find the incriminating evidence you wish)

 

The NYT article provides some answers to your questions. Of course, It's your right not to be convinced by them.

 

As concerns transactions with public entities, there is no need for the laptop, in order to know them. There are laws about transparency and this information is not secret. And even more transparent to the republican investigor dealing with his case. Fact is that Hunter was not invloved in public procurement, etc...

 

The difference between you and me, is that I rely only on the facts which are currently known. According to what is currently known, you have nothing.

[Longwood50]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

The difference between you and me, is that I rely only on the facts which are currently known.

Candide:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  They are not entitled to their own facts.  You rely only on what you believe to be true.  I have never seen you back up any of your assertions with outside verification.  

[candide]

11 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Candide:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  They are not entitled to their own facts.  You rely only on what you believe to be true.  I have never seen you back up any of your assertions with outside verification.  

Wait a minute! Which facts are "my own facts?

[Longwood50]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Wait a minute! Which facts are "my own facts!

 Joe could have been involved in a conflict of interest because he was not holding any official function at that time

Try this one for just one example.   You quoted this as fact despite not knowing what time period was covered by the Biden Laptop and further, his influence peddling would still be something that could put Joe Biden in a conflict if he was acting on behalf of a foreign government even though he left office.  

[candide]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

 Joe could have been involved in a conflict of interest because he was not holding any official function at that time

Try this one for just one example.   You quoted this as fact despite not knowing what time period was covered by the Biden Laptop and further, his influence peddling would still be something that could put Joe Biden in a conflict if he was acting on behalf of a foreign government even though he left office.  

My facts are what currently known. I don't make any conjecture about facts which may or may not come up later. Not my own facts, the facts as they are know as of today.

 

All my analyses are made according to the facts as they have been displayed. On the other hand, your analyses or opinions are based on facts which are not currently as they don't exist.

 

Also about known facts: nothing has been yet observed which shows that Joe Biden has benefited from anything from a foreign government (China in particular). No known facts showing Biden has done anything in favour of China (Actually, It's the opposite. He's been very tough on China). No qui pro quo because there is no qui and no quo.

 

About Hunter

- Burisma: it has been investigated by a Republican-led Senate Committee during 2 years. They found nothing. No known fact against him,

- his China deals. No fact showing he has done anything illegal or that he may be a threat to national security.

- in general: no fact showing he or his partners have benefited from a transaction with the government, actually no known fact that any such transaction occurred. Note again that transactions with government are not secret. Public procurement are known, drilling permits are known, JVs are officially registered, etc...

 

As you yourself outlined, "my facts" are the facts as they are known as of today. So they are not "my facts", they are the facts. Unlike you, I don't make conjectures or use imaginary facts which are not yet known.

 

My opinions (based only on known facts):

- it is ridiculous to think that Hunter may be a spy, and in particular that he would have spied on his own father.

- it is ridiculous to think that an ex-go would betray his country just to help UPenn to get money from the Chinese. In particular, considering the known facts that UPenn started receiving money from China in 2014, four years before the creation of the Biden Center, and that UPenn received more money from China before the creation of the Center, than after. And also that 115 other universities also received money from China. I maintain it is incoherent and laughable.

 

In all your posts, you evoke imaginary facts or facts you hope maybe may pop up some days, who knows. Not me. The facts I evoke are the ones which are known yet. Not less, not more.

[SunnyinBangrak]

On 11/22/2022 at 7:40 AM, Hanaguma said:

It is no coincidence that this story was killed for two complete election cycles.  There is no clearer picture of election interference on the part of the media on behalf of the Democrats, with the collusion of Big Tech.  The story was spiked, the New York Post was muzzled, the ranks of the careerist politicians closed, everyone proclaimed it to be 'Russian Disinformation'....

 

How many media hacks and factotums have lost their jobs because of this? How many of the commentators from the State Machine (the odious James Clapper type) have lost their cushy gigs as 'experts' in security?   None.

And now we get more information. Where did the ridiculous hoax 50 plus intelligence agents letter exlaining the laptop as Russian disinformation just before an election come from? 

 

"The dishonor of our intelligence community, and most of the media, is now complete. 

It turns out the “51 intel experts” letter implying Hunter Biden’s 100% authentic laptop was a Russian fake, and the ensuing efforts to kill Post reporting on it, were the actual disinfo operation. 

Veteran spook and former acting CIA Director Mike Morrell masterminded it, as he swore under oath, to “help Vice President Biden … because I wanted him to win the election” — at the behest of campaign flunky (now Secretary of State) Antony Blinken."

https://nypost.com/2023/04/21/hunter-biden-laptop-letter-was-the-real-disinformation-all-along/

 

Oh the shame of it. Oh the pure evil of election interferers and democracy interferers calling others what they themselves are. What a disgrace. I hope the Jan6th committee can swing a 180 u-turn and go after the real election interference. I hope the left here feel suitable embarrassed for falling for such silly fake news - or for realizing all along it was fake but happily went along with the big lie seeing as it benefitted their party?

 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

And now we get more information. Where did the ridiculous hoax 50 plus intelligence agents letter exlaining the laptop as Russian disinformation just before an election come from? 

 

"The dishonor of our intelligence community, and most of the media, is now complete. 

It turns out the “51 intel experts” letter implying Hunter Biden’s 100% authentic laptop was a Russian fake, and the ensuing efforts to kill Post reporting on it, were the actual disinfo operation. 

Veteran spook and former acting CIA Director Mike Morrell masterminded it, as he swore under oath, to “help Vice President Biden … because I wanted him to win the election” — at the behest of campaign flunky (now Secretary of State) Antony Blinken."

https://nypost.com/2023/04/21/hunter-biden-laptop-letter-was-the-real-disinformation-all-along/

 

Oh the shame of it. Oh the pure evil of election interferers and democracy interferers calling others what they themselves are. What a disgrace. I hope the Jan6th committee can swing a 180 u-turn and go after the real election interference. I hope the left here feel suitable embarrassed for falling for such silly fake news - or for realizing all along it was fake but happily went along with the big lie seeing as it benefitted their party?

 

Where in your source does it state that the laptop and the manner in which it came to light did not appear to be Russian disinformation?  After 2016 it certainly appears to be the sort of thing Russia would do.

[EVENKEEL]

6 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Where in your source does it state that the laptop and the manner in which it came to light did not appear to be Russian disinformation?  After 2016 it certainly appears to be the sort of thing Russia would do.

Aw yes, the ole had the earmarks of Russian disinformation routine. 

[heybruce]

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Aw yes, the ole had the earmarks of Russian disinformation routine. 

More important, no earmarks of criminal acts by President Biden.

[vandeventer]

The house of cards are falling in on the Bidens, the truth will set your free and remove you from office.

[robblok]

Do you guys trust anything that comes out of your media. After the exposures of fox and how they lie and know about it but do it for ratings (see dominion settlement and now other exposures)

 

How can you guys trust your own media and reports seems like freedom of speech is freedom to lie. Its now known that fox does this. Probably happens on the other side of the political spectrum too. 

 

What a mess is the US if news agencies can lie. How can you trust anything then. I mean these articles about the laptop. How do we know what is real. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

34 minutes ago, heybruce said:

More important, no earmarks of criminal acts by President Biden.

Sorry bruce, i missed your explanation of how these millions pad to the biden family(which the left moved heaven and earth to falsely claim did not happen) by America's adversaries were legitimate.

 I am wondering why the need for denials and orchestrating a disinformation campaign if the family did nothing wrong. I am sure all non qualified non essential Burisma employees got $50k a month for no reason, right?

 This must be the biggest conspiracy theory ever, and it's all collapsing.

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sorry bruce, i missed your explanation of how these millions pad to the biden family(which the left moved heaven and earth to falsely claim did not happen) by America's adversaries were legitimate.

 I am wondering why the need for denials and orchestrating a disinformation campaign if the family did nothing wrong. I am sure all non qualified non essential Burisma employees got $50k a month for no reason, right?

 This must be the biggest conspiracy theory ever, and it's all collapsing.

You mean how Trump who claims does nothing wrong struggled to make sure his income tax never came public. 

 

If you think this is bigger as falsifying an election by Trump then its time to take your blinders off. 

[nauseus]

15 minutes ago, robblok said:

You mean how Trump who claims does nothing wrong struggled to make sure his income tax never came public. 

 

If you think this is bigger as falsifying an election by Trump then its time to take your blinders off. 

How do you figure that an election was falsified by Trump? 

[SunnyinBangrak]

22 minutes ago, robblok said:

You mean how Trump who claims does nothing wrong struggled to make sure his income tax never came public. 

 

If you think this is bigger as falsifying an election by Trump then its time to take your blinders off. 

Is this another rant on Trump thread?

[placeholder]

On 1/11/2023 at 2:09 PM, heybruce said:

The Chinese are accustomed to dealing with corrupt regimes in which they would buy influence using the relatives of leaders.  Perhaps Hunter was taking advantage of the Chinese assumption that everyone is corrupt and can be bought.  We don't know.  There is no proof of that or of President Biden being influence on China's behalf by Hunter.

There's no evidence that the company Hunter Biden was doing business with was acting as an agent for the Chinese govt. In fact, the boss of the company is in detention on corruption charges unrelated to any business his company might have had with Hunter Biden.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

How do you figure that an election was falsified by Trump? 

I should have said he said that the election was false and even made sure his supporters attacked the white house. That is an attack on democracy. Same with the voting machines that were WORKING CORRECTLY that he and fox said were faulty.

 

He did everything he could to change an election used his presidential powers to push for things called a people to find votes and so on.

 

I mean that is the biggest story in the history of the US my book A president trying to overturn an election. A tv station knowingly spreading fake news.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Is this another rant on Trump thread?

Not really just shows how bias you are if you read back. But damm the US really is a mess. (on both sides)

[heybruce]

29 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sorry bruce, i missed your explanation of how these millions pad to the biden family(which the left moved heaven and earth to falsely claim did not happen) by America's adversaries were legitimate.

 I am wondering why the need for denials and orchestrating a disinformation campaign if the family did nothing wrong. I am sure all non qualified non essential Burisma employees got $50k a month for no reason, right?

 This must be the biggest conspiracy theory ever, and it's all collapsing.

I think the most likely explanation for the money paid is that Hunter Biden and associates played the Chinese, and officials from other corrupt governments, for fools. 

 

But it doesn't matter.  It's not up to Hunter to prove the payments were legitimate, it's up to the government to prove they were illegal.  Not a lot of progress on that from what I can tell.

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

And now we get more information. Where did the ridiculous hoax 50 plus intelligence agents letter exlaining the laptop as Russian disinformation just before an election come from? 

 

"The dishonor of our intelligence community, and most of the media, is now complete. 

It turns out the “51 intel experts” letter implying Hunter Biden’s 100% authentic laptop was a Russian fake, and the ensuing efforts to kill Post reporting on it, were the actual disinfo operation. 

Veteran spook and former acting CIA Director Mike Morrell masterminded it, as he swore under oath, to “help Vice President Biden … because I wanted him to win the election” — at the behest of campaign flunky (now Secretary of State) Antony Blinken."

https://nypost.com/2023/04/21/hunter-biden-laptop-letter-was-the-real-disinformation-all-along/

 

Oh the shame of it. Oh the pure evil of election interferers and democracy interferers calling others what they themselves are. What a disgrace. I hope the Jan6th committee can swing a 180 u-turn and go after the real election interference. I hope the left here feel suitable embarrassed for falling for such silly fake news - or for realizing all along it was fake but happily went along with the big lie seeing as it benefitted their party?

 

Clearly, you don't understand the meaning of the word "hoax".

You have evidence of intent?

hoax

noun

 

1. a humorous or malicious deception.

   "they recognized the plan as a hoax"

    

   https://www.google.com/search?q=hoax&oq=hoax&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i65.854j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Chomper Higgot]

53 minutes ago, robblok said:

Do you guys trust anything that comes out of your media. After the exposures of fox and how they lie and know about it but do it for ratings (see dominion settlement and now other exposures)

 

How can you guys trust your own media and reports seems like freedom of speech is freedom to lie. Its now known that fox does this. Probably happens on the other side of the political spectrum too. 

 

What a mess is the US if news agencies can lie. How can you trust anything then. I mean these articles about the laptop. How do we know what is real. 

We’ve been telling you about FIX’s lies for long enough.

 

Now that you are unable to deny the fact FOX is a misinformation channel (rightwing accusation/confession Thong anyone?) you switch to trying to paint all news outlets with the disgraceful behavior of FOX.

 

Your switch has been spotted.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

The house of cards are falling in on the Bidens, the truth will set your free and remove you from office.

The GOP has everything they needed from a Trump appointed judge and 5 years of investigation but still nothing of substance has developed as far as charges are concerned. The GOP oversight committee don’t even have sufficient evidence to use their subpoena powers. Hopeful wishes to remove POTUS is just day dreaming. 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Is this another rant on Trump thread?

No, but perhaps it’s the undeniable  troubles he faces that prompted you to resurrect this thread.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Is this another rant on Trump thread?

Not really just shows how bias you are if you read back. But damm the US really is a mess. (on both sides)

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

The house of cards are falling in on the Bidens, the truth will set your free and remove you from office.

More crystal ball predictions from the party who got it wrong in 2020 and 2022.

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We’ve been telling you about FIX’s lies for long enough.

 

Now that you are unable to deny the fact FOX is a misinformation channel (rightwing accusation/confession Thong anyone?) you switch to trying to paint all news outlets with the disgraceful behavior of FOX.

 

Your switch has been spotted.

Are you not confusing me with someone else ? Never ever in my life supporter Trump. Never ever believed the election fraud. But was shocked by the Dominion settlement and then when looking into it it shows fox can just lie even knowingly and its on to do so in the US.

 

Now if fox does this are we sure the other side does not do this ? I mean im a non American, just totally shocked that news agencies can spread lies in the US and its not punishable. Just pay some money and go on.  I know this is about fox but how sure are you guys about other news agencies on the democrat side.  Seems the US is in a big mess. 

 

I was seriously shocked with all the reporting about fox that the guys that spread the news knew they were lying but did it anyway. Not only on the voting but many other things too. If this happens at one organization how about others.  I thought Thailand was bad but never expected it to be this bad in the US too.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Are you not confusing me with someone else ? Never ever in my life supporter Trump. Never ever believed the election fraud. But was shocked by the Dominion settlement and then when looking into it it shows fox can just lie even knowingly and its on to do so in the US.

 

Now if fox does this are we sure the other side does not do this ? I mean im a non American, just totally shocked that news agencies can spread lies in the US and its not punishable. Just pay some money and go on.  I know this is about fox but how sure are you guys about other news agencies on the democrat side.  Seems the US is in a big mess. 

 

I was seriously shocked with all the reporting about fox that the guys that spread the news knew they were lying but did it anyway. Not only on the voting but many other things too. If this happens at one organization how about others.  I thought Thailand was bad but never expected it to be this bad in the US too.

“Now if fox does this are we sure the other side does not do this ?”

It works like this, evidence first then accusation.

 

Surely nobody who follows the US news is shocked to hear it confirmed that FOX tell lies.