How Britains population has changed in its make up.Christians fall to below half !

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[KannikaP]

So at last 'the Christians' are beginning to see the light.

Why would British people believe and live by the teachings of a Jewish man 2022 years ago.

Same goes for Muslims as well, or is it OK to have a 7 year old wife?

Edited November 30, 2022 by KannikaP

[Gottfrid]

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[kickstart]

31 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

So at last 'the Christians' are beginning to see the light.

Why would British people believe and live by the teachings of a Jewish man 2022 years ago.

Same goes for Muslims as well, or is it OK to have a 7 year old wife?

It is not that,young people just do not "do" religion ,my mother has been going to the same church now for 30 years up to 10 years ago it was full on a Sunday ,back in May when I was they it was 40% full ,the average age of the congregation must have been 55 +,I said in 10 -15 years time it will be almost empty, every one will be dead .

The C of E is a dying church ,how they can increase their number will be mission impossible ,unless someone can come up with a cool app for a Mobil phone.

A church is now is Hatch, Match and sometimes Despatch.

Near my flat in Northampton is a Muslim Mosque Friday morning you can not park a car anywhere near that Mosque and Northampton does not have that large Muslim population.

[Tippaporn]

3 hours ago, KannikaP said:

So at last 'the Christians' are beginning to see the light.

Why would British people believe and live by the teachings of a Jewish man 2022 years ago.

Same goes for Muslims as well, or is it OK to have a 7 year old wife?

Because a Godless society is what we're witnessing.  I'm not religious but I would agree that religion does at least provide important values.

[it is what it is]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Because a Godless society is what we're witnessing.  I'm not religious but I would agree that religion does at least provide important values.

it's a little more nuanced than that, basic christian values still hold good, and are not dis-similar to the basic values in most religions. what the catholic and c of e churches have failed to do is adapt to a changing culture; churches can be dour places and services dated, not accepting gay marriage, lack of understanding of, and failing to appeal to, the younger generations, etc.

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, it is what it is said:

it's a little more nuanced than that, basic christian values still hold good, and are not dis-similar to the basic values in most religions. what the catholic and c of e churches have failed to do is adapt to a changing culture; churches can be dour places and services dated, not accepting gay marriage, lack of understanding of, and failing to appeal to, the younger generations, etc.

I'm not opining on the cause of the decline in numbers but just replying to a poster who seems to see no value in Christian teachings, some of which I consider to be eternal truths.  I, personally, would not like to experience a Christian revival.  But to discard it with nothing (better) as a replacement is not the way to go either, IMHO.

[SatEng]

One of the reasons for the fall in the Christian , ironically, is the mandatory teaching of religious education within British state schools over the past 30 years.

This treated religion as an academic subject to be questioned - and also looked at many different religions

Under the Blair government, however, under pressure from the catholic church, so-called "faith schools" were exempted from this - but that has just seen the rise in number of islamic-based schools which do not teach RE as an academic subject but rather as an indoctrination, without question, to the islamic faith, which also explains why the percentage of south asian respondents being religious has held up.

[Phnom Penh Trader]

The largest institution on the Planet Earth for child abuse,welcome to the Christian church!

[Chomper Higgot]

The decline of the Christian Church in the UK was precipitated by WW1.

 

Christianity has been in decline ever since.

[Doctor Tom]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The decline of the Christian Church in the UK was precipitated by WW1.

 

Christianity has been in decline ever since.

As society becomes more educated and knowlegible, and provided its not brain washed and downtrodden by fanatics, e.g., Iran, then religion  and all the mystic nonsense BS that surrounds it, drops away.  Religions are always about control of the population. 

[BritManToo]

On 11/30/2022 at 11:36 PM, SatEng said:

One of the reasons for the fall in the Christian , ironically, is the mandatory teaching of religious education within British state schools over the past 30 years.

This treated religion as an academic subject to be questioned - and also looked at many different religions

Under the Blair government, however, under pressure from the catholic church, so-called "faith schools" were exempted from this - but that has just seen the rise in number of islamic-based schools which do not teach RE as an academic subject but rather as an indoctrination, without question, to the islamic faith, which also explains why the percentage of south asian respondents being religious has held up.

I would disagree, the reason Christianity is dying is because its been watered down to nothing. By including everyone, they become interesting to no-one. 

Islam hasn't changed, so still attracts the masses. 

 

Another example of "go woke, go broke" 

[VocalNeal]

I think on the World Cup thread someone said that with Iran being out, now England is the only Muslim country left in the knock-out stage.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I would disagree, the reason Christianity is dying is because its been watered down to nothing. By including everyone, they become interesting to no-one. 

Islam hasn't changed, so still attracts the masses. 

 

Another example of "go woke, go broke" 

I assume you mean the ordination of women is "include everyone" and "go woke"?

[SatEng]

29 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I would disagree, the reason Christianity is dying is because its been watered down to nothing. By including everyone, they become interesting to no-one. 

Islam hasn't changed, so still attracts the masses. 

 

Another example of "go woke, go broke" 

Christinaity has been on a downtrend for many years, before WOKE was even a thing and even in areas where the most fundamental bible-bashing was occurring - such as in Northern Ireland.

The numbers were held up purely by tradition and fear - people were forced to the church by their parents, community etc. and even their job prospects were affected if they were not visible as a member of the local church.

People now are able to make more of a personal choice about their religious participation, and a lot of that comes about because of education.

In recent times there have been many societal changes - more acceptance of women in positions (except in the church), abortion rights (except in the church), contraception (except in the church), acceptance of homosexuality (except in the church). I don't think anyone anymore gets asked about their church attendance in a job interview.

Society has changed, not only in the ways above but also in the fields of science and technology which has reduced many of the tenets of old-testament christianity to the status of fairy tales - only fringe conspiracy theorists still believe in creationism and a flat earth.

Would you really want to go back to a "christian fundamentalist" society, where women are denied the vote, treated as chattels, backstreet abortions, marital rape (still not recognised by the church), racism is rife and the old-testament bible actually advocates genocide and child murder.

If that is what you want then go and live in Afghanistan.

 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, SatEng said:

People now are able to make more of a personal choice about their religious participation, and a lot of that comes about because of education.

I don't believe the quality of education for the British masses has change significantly in the past 100 years. Excepting in the replacing of religion by wokeness (which is effectively the new religion).

Edited December 2, 2022 by BritManToo

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, SatEng said:

Would you really want to go back to a "christian fundamentalist" society, where women are denied the vote, treated as chattels, backstreet abortions, marital rape (still not recognised by the church), racism is rife and the old-testament bible actually advocates genocide and child murder.

If that is what you want then go and live in Afghanistan.

So I need to move countries because the west has gone mad?

Actually I have, but chose Thailand over Afghanistan.

(apart from the vote, essentially the same rules as Afghanistan)

 

Presumably, by the same reasoning, you should return to the UK.

Edited December 2, 2022 by BritManToo

[SatEng]

52 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

So I need to move countries because the west has gone mad?

Actually I have, but chose Thailand over Afghanistan.

(apart from the vote, essentially the same rules as Afghanistan)

 

Presumably, by the same reasoning, you should return to the UK.

I am also in Thailand - where they are now legalising abortion, starting to improve gay rights etc.

Too woke for you - you should be looking elsewhere - except nowhere else has the tolerance for overt racism that you enjoy

[proton]

Of course it's worse than the census reveals as illegals and people cheating the council tax for 25% discount will not be filling in the census form anyway.

[lungbing]

8 hours ago, SatEng said:

Christinaity has been on a downtrend for many years, before WOKE was even a thing and even in areas where the most fundamental bible-bashing was occurring - such as in Northern Ireland.

The numbers were held up purely by tradition and fear - people were forced to the church by their parents, community etc. and even their job prospects were affected if they were not visible as a member of the local church.

People now are able to make more of a personal choice about their religious participation, and a lot of that comes about because of education.

In recent times there have been many societal changes - more acceptance of women in positions (except in the church), abortion rights (except in the church), contraception (except in the church), acceptance of homosexuality (except in the church). I don't think anyone anymore gets asked about their church attendance in a job interview.

Society has changed, not only in the ways above but also in the fields of science and technology which has reduced many of the tenets of old-testament christianity to the status of fairy tales - only fringe conspiracy theorists still believe in creationism and a flat earth.

Would you really want to go back to a "christian fundamentalist" society, where women are denied the vote, treated as chattels, backstreet abortions, marital rape (still not recognised by the church), racism is rife and the old-testament bible actually advocates genocide and child murder.

If that is what you want then go and live in Afghanistan.

 

Or Bradford for the same effect.

[Stocky]

10 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

I think on the World Cup thread someone said that with Iran being out, now England is the only Muslim country left in the knock-out stage.

Hardly, Muslims account for 6.5% ????

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I would disagree, the reason Christianity is dying is because its been watered down to nothing. By including everyone, they become interesting to no-one. 

Islam hasn't changed, so still attracts the masses. 

 

Another example of "go woke, go broke" 

I suggest you re-read the New Testament.

[markclover]

You can probably cut that number in half again due to most of them never having read the bible in their life.

[Rimmer]

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