January 6 committee releases final report, says Trump should be barred from office

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

A damning report driven by the bias of an effectively partisan (D) committee, which did not fully investigate all of the relevant events of J6. They were totally consumed in trying to damage Trump himself.

Trump damage himself. All self inflicted. 

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

He gave a bad impression of the USA on the world stage to say he was the POTUS. He received a great deal of airtime worldwide and was totally erratic.

 

He was corrupt, a liar, misogynist,  an egotistical maniac as well as a sociopath and not fit for office.

 

His choices of underlings were driven by nepotism and the USA needs to leave this sorry episode behind.

 

He was no statesman, a danger to the US and those around him and he was totally a loose cannon.

Most presidents receive a great deal of airtime. He was quite consistent for the most part but I'd agree more erratic after the Covid outbreak - then again many politicians around the world were like that in 2020. Finally Trump was totally at sea after the 2020 election, when  should have just accepted the loss and handed over quietly.

 

Initially, in 2016, he was just as fit for office as many of his predecessors, and even more so than his successor IMOO. How was  he a danger to the US? No new conflicts and he pushed NATO countries to contribute as per their own rules, making NATO stronger. 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

The problem, and it's a huge one, is that if Trump is banned from standing for office again then many of those who support him would take to the streets and start burning down buildings. There can be no doubt about that. So, basically, America is looking at a very bleak future. And that will affect us all, because if America is burning then the dollar will fall into the toilet, and that will impact almost every currency on Earth.

I hope they do. I want these wingnuts to try it on because the FBI is watching them like hawks now. It would be the end for their guns and the radical extremists would be locked up. They wouldn't get close to an actual civil war. It would be all over in hours or days. There is now  domestic terrorist watch list and the CIA have declared domestic terrorism to be their major threat, more so that international terrorism. Every communication they make is being monitored. The moment they try to organize they will be arrested. The white supremacist groups have declared their hand and their goose is cooked.

Edited December 24, 2022 by ozimoron

[connda]

Congress controls the purse strings; they do not control the judiciary.

Checks and balances.  Which makes America great.

Now, they will attempt to control the judiciary, but it will never make it pass the SCOTUS as it is unconstitutional.  For those whining that they don't like the way the US system is set up.  How un-American. 

For those who want to attack ad-hominid with, "You're a Trump loving MAGA supporter and insurrectionist!!!"

Sorry - I don't like Trump.  I'll only admit to being an independent conservative who believes in the validity of the US Constitution. Spent eight year in the US military to protect US Constitutional values.  I think most of the Congress needs to be cleaned out and replaced (legally) with like-minded conservatives.  How many years in the military to the rest of you 'Americans' spend?  I don't think many of you served a day in the service of the United States.  We're a minority.

And I don't like either the democrat or republican parties.  There are some really good people on both sides of the aisle, but they all are a minority.  The rest?  They are destroying the country has they make themselves millionaires.

"Come on man!"  We gotta have a 1.7 TRILLION dollar budget? 

The Congress and Senate are collectively destroying our Republic.  As well as the Administration.  All of them.

Edited December 24, 2022 by connda

[ozimoron]

11 minutes ago, connda said:

Congress controls the purse strings; they do not control the judiciary.

Checks and balances.  Which makes America great.

Now, they will attempt to control the judiciary, but it will never make it pass the SCOTUS as it is unconstitutional.  For those whining that they don't like the way the US system is set up.  How un-American. 

For those who want to attack ad-hominid with, "You're a Trump loving MAGA supporter and insurrectionist!!!"

Sorry - I don't like Trump.  I'll only admit to being an independent conservative who believes in the validity of the US Constitution. Spent eight year in the US military to protect US Constitutional values.  I think most of the Congress needs to be cleaned out and replaced (legally) with like-minded conservatives.  How many years in the military to the rest of you 'Americans' spend?  I don't think many of you served a day in the service of the United States.  We're a minority.

And I don't like either the democrat or republican parties.  There are some really good people on both sides of the aisle, but they all are a minority.  The rest?  They are destroying the country has they make themselves millionaires.

"Come on man!"  We gotta have a 1.7 TRILLION dollar budget? 

The Congress and Senate are collectively destroying our Republic.  As well as the Administration.  All of them.

Part of the reason they need that budget is to protect the war effort and assistance to Ukraine from Republicans who want to pull the rug out. Another part is to prevent the Republicans from shutting down the government. They have been the party of no since Omabama won and then flipped when Trump was in power when their tongues were suddenly tied. The republicans are budget hawks when they don't control the purse and spend like drunken sailors when they do. Trump's 2.5 trillion giveaway to the rich was a case in point. His useless wall was another.

Edited December 24, 2022 by ozimoron

[dotcalm]

It's a silly recommendation because Congress lacks the power to ban Trump. The only limitations on a person’s running for office are in the Constitution: Thirty-five years or older, native-born American, a resident for 14 years and, via the 22nd Amendment, limited to two terms of office. Moreover,  there has  been a convicted felon (Eugene V. Debs) run, so even a corrupt indictment and trial won’t stop Trump.
 Here’s Trump statement/rebuttal:
EXCLUSIVE: Trump Reacts to J6 Committee Final Report pic.twitter.com/W1nIOage50
Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 23, 2022
https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/23/donald-trump-issues-response-video-jan-6-report/

Trump points out that, even as America disintegrates under Joe Biden’s policies and dereliction's (border security as example) the regime media and Congress have fed Americans lies through the January 6 Committee. For example, the committee omitted the fact that, in his speech, Trump urged protesters to make their voices heard “peacefully and patriotically.” The committee also deliberately omitted that part of Trump’s tweet telling protesters to go home “with love and in peace.”
When it comes to the tweets Trump sent, Trump explains that the committee flat-out lies, falsely claiming he didn’t respond for 187 minutes. (you can't be indicted for something you did not do). In fact, within 25 minutes of learning of the Capitol breach, Trump issued a statement calling for respect for law enforcement and tweeted out yet another statement to that effect 30 minutes later.
A key point Trump makes (and one the committee also omits) is that days before January 6, he urged the deployment of 10,000-20,000 National Guard troops to keep the event safe. That proves Trump’s intent was safety and security, not violence and insurrection. Or, as he says,
“There was no insurrection, and there wasn’t going to be an insurrection. It was made up by these sick people. Nancy Pelosi and the D.C. Mayor refused. If they’d listened to me, my recommendation, none of this would have happened, and you wouldn’t have heard about January 6, as we know it.”
It wasn’t just Nancy Pelosi and D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser. It was also the Pentagon that refused to convene the National Guard. And when it comes to security, says Trump, the committee ignored the catastrophic security failures at the Capitol.
 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

It's a silly recommendation because Congress lacks the power to ban Trump. The only limitations on a person’s running for office are in the Constitution: Thirty-five years or older, native-born American, a resident for 14 years and, via the 22nd Amendment, limited to two terms of office. Moreover,  there has  been a convicted felon (Eugene V. Debs) run, so even a corrupt indictment and trial won’t stop Trump.
 Here’s Trump statement/rebuttal:
EXCLUSIVE: Trump Reacts to J6 Committee Final Report pic.twitter.com/W1nIOage50
Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 23, 2022
https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/23/donald-trump-issues-response-video-jan-6-report/

Trump points out that, even as America disintegrates under Joe Biden’s policies and dereliction's (border security as example) the regime media and Congress have fed Americans lies through the January 6 Committee. For example, the committee omitted the fact that, in his speech, Trump urged protesters to make their voices heard “peacefully and patriotically.” The committee also deliberately omitted that part of Trump’s tweet telling protesters to go home “with love and in peace.”
When it comes to the tweets Trump sent, Trump explains that the committee flat-out lies, falsely claiming he didn’t respond for 187 minutes. (you can't be indicted for something you did not do). In fact, within 25 minutes of learning of the Capitol breach, Trump issued a statement calling for respect for law enforcement and tweeted out yet another statement to that effect 30 minutes later.
A key point Trump makes (and one the committee also omits) is that days before January 6, he urged the deployment of 10,000-20,000 National Guard troops to keep the event safe. That proves Trump’s intent was safety and security, not violence and insurrection. Or, as he says,
“There was no insurrection, and there wasn’t going to be an insurrection. It was made up by these sick people. Nancy Pelosi and the D.C. Mayor refused. If they’d listened to me, my recommendation, none of this would have happened, and you wouldn’t have heard about January 6, as we know it.”
It wasn’t just Nancy Pelosi and D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser. It was also the Pentagon that refused to convene the National Guard. And when it comes to security, says Trump, the committee ignored the catastrophic security failures at the Capitol.
 

Trump can indeed be banned............

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment states that no one can “hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State” if they took an oath to support the Constitution and then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same.”

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/white-collar-and-criminal-law/trumps-insurrection-referral-spotlights-bar-to-holding-office

[nauseus]

10 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

It's a silly recommendation because Congress lacks the power to ban Trump. The only limitations on a person’s running for office are in the Constitution: Thirty-five years or older, native-born American, a resident for 14 years and, via the 22nd Amendment, limited to two terms of office. Moreover,  there has  been a convicted felon (Eugene V. Debs) run, so even a corrupt indictment and trial won’t stop Trump.
 Here’s Trump statement/rebuttal:
EXCLUSIVE: Trump Reacts to J6 Committee Final Report pic.twitter.com/W1nIOage50
Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 23, 2022
https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/23/donald-trump-issues-response-video-jan-6-report/

Trump points out that, even as America disintegrates under Joe Biden’s policies and dereliction's (border security as example) the regime media and Congress have fed Americans lies through the January 6 Committee. For example, the committee omitted the fact that, in his speech, Trump urged protesters to make their voices heard “peacefully and patriotically.” The committee also deliberately omitted that part of Trump’s tweet telling protesters to go home “with love and in peace.”
When it comes to the tweets Trump sent, Trump explains that the committee flat-out lies, falsely claiming he didn’t respond for 187 minutes. (you can't be indicted for something you did not do). In fact, within 25 minutes of learning of the Capitol breach, Trump issued a statement calling for respect for law enforcement and tweeted out yet another statement to that effect 30 minutes later.
A key point Trump makes (and one the committee also omits) is that days before January 6, he urged the deployment of 10,000-20,000 National Guard troops to keep the event safe. That proves Trump’s intent was safety and security, not violence and insurrection. Or, as he says,
“There was no insurrection, and there wasn’t going to be an insurrection. It was made up by these sick people. Nancy Pelosi and the D.C. Mayor refused. If they’d listened to me, my recommendation, none of this would have happened, and you wouldn’t have heard about January 6, as we know it.”
It wasn’t just Nancy Pelosi and D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser. It was also the Pentagon that refused to convene the National Guard. And when it comes to security, says Trump, the committee ignored the catastrophic security failures at the Capitol.
 

Thanks. This is a big reason why there should have been a full J6 investigation.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Thanks. This is a big reason why there should have been a full J6 investigation.

Nice innuendo. Care to explain what that might mean or are you just going to allude to some laptop story?

[candide]

35 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

It's a silly recommendation because Congress lacks the power to ban Trump. The only limitations on a person’s running for office are in the Constitution: Thirty-five years or older, native-born American, a resident for 14 years and, via the 22nd Amendment, limited to two terms of office. Moreover,  there has  been a convicted felon (Eugene V. Debs) run, so even a corrupt indictment and trial won’t stop Trump.
 Here’s Trump statement/rebuttal:
EXCLUSIVE: Trump Reacts to J6 Committee Final Report pic.twitter.com/W1nIOage50
Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 23, 2022
https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/23/donald-trump-issues-response-video-jan-6-report/

Trump points out that, even as America disintegrates under Joe Biden’s policies and dereliction's (border security as example) the regime media and Congress have fed Americans lies through the January 6 Committee. For example, the committee omitted the fact that, in his speech, Trump urged protesters to make their voices heard “peacefully and patriotically.” The committee also deliberately omitted that part of Trump’s tweet telling protesters to go home “with love and in peace.”
When it comes to the tweets Trump sent, Trump explains that the committee flat-out lies, falsely claiming he didn’t respond for 187 minutes. (you can't be indicted for something you did not do). In fact, within 25 minutes of learning of the Capitol breach, Trump issued a statement calling for respect for law enforcement and tweeted out yet another statement to that effect 30 minutes later.
A key point Trump makes (and one the committee also omits) is that days before January 6, he urged the deployment of 10,000-20,000 National Guard troops to keep the event safe. That proves Trump’s intent was safety and security, not violence and insurrection. Or, as he says,
“There was no insurrection, and there wasn’t going to be an insurrection. It was made up by these sick people. Nancy Pelosi and the D.C. Mayor refused. If they’d listened to me, my recommendation, none of this would have happened, and you wouldn’t have heard about January 6, as we know it.”
It wasn’t just Nancy Pelosi and D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser. It was also the Pentagon that refused to convene the National Guard. And when it comes to security, says Trump, the committee ignored the catastrophic security failures at the Capitol.
 

And as usual: lies.

Trump did not sign an order to deploy 20,000 troops on Jan. 6

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-order-national-guard-156055113284

 

Trump did not have 10,000 troops ready to deploy on Jan. 6, his defense secretary says

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/january-6-trump-did-not-have-10000-national-guard-troops-ready/#app

 

Fact check: Trump repeats false claim that Pelosi rejected request for National Guard ahead of Jan. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/16/fact-check-no-trump-request-10000-guard-troops-jan-6/8929215002/

 

Fact check: Nancy Pelosi wasn't ‘in charge’ of Capitol Police on Jan. 6

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/27/fact-check-nancy-pelosi-isnt-in-charge-capitol-police/8082088002/

[candide]

1 hour ago, dotcalm said:

It's a silly recommendation because Congress lacks the power to ban Trump. The only limitations on a person’s running for office are in the Constitution: Thirty-five years or older, native-born American, a resident for 14 years and, via the 22nd Amendment, limited to two terms of office. Moreover,  there has  been a convicted felon (Eugene V. Debs) run, so even a corrupt indictment and trial won’t stop Trump.
 Here’s Trump statement/rebuttal:
EXCLUSIVE: Trump Reacts to J6 Committee Final Report pic.twitter.com/W1nIOage50
Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 23, 2022
https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/23/donald-trump-issues-response-video-jan-6-report/

Trump points out that, even as America disintegrates under Joe Biden’s policies and dereliction's (border security as example) the regime media and Congress have fed Americans lies through the January 6 Committee. For example, the committee omitted the fact that, in his speech, Trump urged protesters to make their voices heard “peacefully and patriotically.” The committee also deliberately omitted that part of Trump’s tweet telling protesters to go home “with love and in peace.”
When it comes to the tweets Trump sent, Trump explains that the committee flat-out lies, falsely claiming he didn’t respond for 187 minutes. (you can't be indicted for something you did not do). In fact, within 25 minutes of learning of the Capitol breach, Trump issued a statement calling for respect for law enforcement and tweeted out yet another statement to that effect 30 minutes later.
A key point Trump makes (and one the committee also omits) is that days before January 6, he urged the deployment of 10,000-20,000 National Guard troops to keep the event safe. That proves Trump’s intent was safety and security, not violence and insurrection. Or, as he says,
“There was no insurrection, and there wasn’t going to be an insurrection. It was made up by these sick people. Nancy Pelosi and the D.C. Mayor refused. If they’d listened to me, my recommendation, none of this would have happened, and you wouldn’t have heard about January 6, as we know it.”
It wasn’t just Nancy Pelosi and D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser. It was also the Pentagon that refused to convene the National Guard. And when it comes to security, says Trump, the committee ignored the catastrophic security failures at the Capitol.
 

He's also lying about that:

Posting on his social media site, Trump called the report “highly partisan” and falsely claimed it didn’t include his statement on January 6 that his supporters should protest “peacefully and patriotically.” The committee did include that statement, though, and noted that he followed that comment with election falsehoods and charged language exhorting the crowd to “fight like hell.”

https://www.euronews.com/2022/12/23/house-committee-report-says-donald-trump-lit-the-fire-of-capitol-riots

 

If you want to see key facts ommitted, read the GOP report,  not the committee report.

Edited December 24, 2022 by candide

[riclag]

Theres a lot of truth behind what he says! Stay tuned to what possibly could be exposed when the new Gop house majority takes over in January .

Perhaps the whole Trump hating world will know more about Trumps request to have the national guard preside over what started as a peaceful protest .  Very good video on his response to the j6 report.
“The events of January 6 were not an insurrection. They were a protest that tragically got out of control, and which the left has been weaponizing ever since, to censor, spy on and persecute American citizens. The entire phony hoax is about taking away your speech, taking away your vote and taking away your freedom,” Trump said.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/23/donald-trump-issues-response-video-jan-6-report/

 

https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2022/01/07/jan-6-has-been-called-an-insurrection-so-why-has-no-one-been-charged-with-that-crime

 

dailycaller was used in another thread as a  attributed source so i presume its ok to use.

Edited December 24, 2022 by riclag

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

Theres a lot of truth behind what he says! Stay tuned to what possibly could be exposed when the new Gop house majority takes over in January .

Perhaps the whole Trump hating world will no more about Trumps request to have the national guard preside over what started as a peaceful protest .  Very good video on his response to the j6 report.
“The events of January 6 were not an insurrection. They were a protest that tragically got out of control, and which the left has been weaponizing ever since, to censor, spy on and persecute American citizens. The entire phony hoax is about taking away your speech, taking away your vote and taking away your freedom,” Trump said.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/23/donald-trump-issues-response-video-jan-6-report/

 

https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2022/01/07/jan-6-has-been-called-an-insurrection-so-why-has-no-one-been-charged-with-that-crime

 

dailycaller was used in another thread as a  attributed source so i presume its ok to use.

That would imply that there was no organization or coordination. I think the committee debunked that talking point. We'll see what the special counsel thinks.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, dotcalm said:

It's a silly recommendation because Congress lacks the power to ban Trump. The only limitations on a person’s running for office are in the Constitution: Thirty-five years or older, native-born American, a resident for 14 years and, via the 22nd Amendment, limited to two terms of office. Moreover,  there has  been a convicted felon (Eugene V. Debs) run, so even a corrupt indictment and trial won’t stop Trump.
 Here’s Trump statement/rebuttal:
EXCLUSIVE: Trump Reacts to J6 Committee Final Report pic.twitter.com/W1nIOage50
Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 23, 2022
https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/23/donald-trump-issues-response-video-jan-6-report/

Trump points out that, even as America disintegrates under Joe Biden’s policies and dereliction's (border security as example) the regime media and Congress have fed Americans lies through the January 6 Committee. For example, the committee omitted the fact that, in his speech, Trump urged protesters to make their voices heard “peacefully and patriotically.” The committee also deliberately omitted that part of Trump’s tweet telling protesters to go home “with love and in peace.”
When it comes to the tweets Trump sent, Trump explains that the committee flat-out lies, falsely claiming he didn’t respond for 187 minutes. (you can't be indicted for something you did not do). In fact, within 25 minutes of learning of the Capitol breach, Trump issued a statement calling for respect for law enforcement and tweeted out yet another statement to that effect 30 minutes later.
A key point Trump makes (and one the committee also omits) is that days before January 6, he urged the deployment of 10,000-20,000 National Guard troops to keep the event safe. That proves Trump’s intent was safety and security, not violence and insurrection. Or, as he says,
“There was no insurrection, and there wasn’t going to be an insurrection. It was made up by these sick people. Nancy Pelosi and the D.C. Mayor refused. If they’d listened to me, my recommendation, none of this would have happened, and you wouldn’t have heard about January 6, as we know it.”
It wasn’t just Nancy Pelosi and D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser. It was also the Pentagon that refused to convene the National Guard. And when it comes to security, says Trump, the committee ignored the catastrophic security failures at the Capitol.
 

Learn something every day about the powers of  congressional committees ,thanks for that post

[candide]

1 hour ago, candide said:

And as usual: lies.

Trump did not sign an order to deploy 20,000 troops on Jan. 6

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-order-national-guard-156055113284

 

Trump did not have 10,000 troops ready to deploy on Jan. 6, his defense secretary says

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/january-6-trump-did-not-have-10000-national-guard-troops-ready/#app

 

Fact check: Trump repeats false claim that Pelosi rejected request for National Guard ahead of Jan. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/16/fact-check-no-trump-request-10000-guard-troops-jan-6/8929215002/

 

Fact check: Nancy Pelosi wasn't ‘in charge’ of Capitol Police on Jan. 6

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/27/fact-check-nancy-pelosi-isnt-in-charge-capitol-police/8082088002/

 

47 minutes ago, riclag said:

Theres a lot of truth behind what he says! Stay tuned to what possibly could be exposed when the new Gop house majority takes over in January .

Perhaps the whole Trump hating world will know more about Trumps request to have the national guard preside over what started as a peaceful protest .  Very good video on his response to the j6 report.
“The events of January 6 were not an insurrection. They were a protest that tragically got out of control, and which the left has been weaponizing ever since, to censor, spy on and persecute American citizens. The entire phony hoax is about taking away your speech, taking away your vote and taking away your freedom,” Trump said.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/23/donald-trump-issues-response-video-jan-6-report/

 

https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2022/01/07/jan-6-has-been-called-an-insurrection-so-why-has-no-one-been-charged-with-that-crime

 

dailycaller was used in another thread as a  attributed source so i presume its ok to use.

Trump is lying about it (see links in my post)

Edited December 24, 2022 by candide

[BusyB]

9 hours ago, swm59nj said:

Hopefully the GOP will not allow him to run for President.  

Oh I hope they do ... I'd love to see him lose again. 

[Cory1848]

5 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

The problem, and it's a huge one, is that if Trump is banned from standing for office again then many of those who support him would take to the streets and start burning down buildings. There can be no doubt about that. So, basically, America is looking at a very bleak future. And that will affect us all, because if America is burning then the dollar will fall into the toilet, and that will impact almost every currency on Earth.

Yes, if he’s barred from office or convicted (or jailed), it’s likely that there will be some violence, but that’s something the country will just have to go through, because it's preferable to not holding him accountable for proven crimes -- the US does not have monarchs or dictators, at least not in theory. And I don’t believe the violence would be as widespread or the consequences as dire as you state; even his hard-core supporters are starting to fall off. He's beginning to look like a spent force.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Nice innuendo. Care to explain what that might mean or are you just going to allude to some laptop story?

There's a laptop story? 

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

The problem, and it's a huge one, is that if Trump is banned from standing for office again then many of those who support him would take to the streets and start burning down buildings. There can be no doubt about that. So, basically, America is looking at a very bleak future. And that will affect us all, because if America is burning then the dollar will fall into the toilet, and that will impact almost every currency on Earth.

The dollar may be well on it's way into the toilet already but its fall won't be due to just one individual.  

[earlinclaifornia]

Jail for this Ex President will soon become his fate!

[Bangkok Barry]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

8 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

The problem, and it's a huge one, is that if Trump is banned from standing for office again then many of those who support him would take to the streets and start burning down buildings. There can be no doubt about that. So, basically, America is looking at a very bleak future. And that will affect us all, because if America is burning then the dollar will fall into the toilet, and that will impact almost every currency on Earth.

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The dollar may be well on it's way into the toilet already but its fall won't be due to just one individual. 

No. It will be due to a breakdown in law and order in the name of one individual.

[dotcalm]

FBI finds no evidence that Trump and his allies were directly involved with organizing the violence of the Capitol riot: report
The FBI has not found any evidence that the January 6 assault on the US Capitol was part of an organized plot to overturn the election results, according to a report from Reuters.
The report also said that the FBI has "so far found no evidence that [former President Donald Trump] or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence."
https://www.businessinsider.nl/fbi-finds-no-evidence-that-trump-and-his-allies-were-directly-involved-with-organizing-the-violence-of-the-capitol-riot-report/

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

 

You have a better case for citing Trump for jaywalking, go for it.

Biden OTOH, will look rather cooked soon after January 3.

 

[placeholder]

10 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

FBI finds no evidence that Trump and his allies were directly involved with organizing the violence of the Capitol riot: report
The FBI has not found any evidence that the January 6 assault on the US Capitol was part of an organized plot to overturn the election results, according to a report from Reuters.
The report also said that the FBI has "so far found no evidence that [former President Donald Trump] or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence."
https://www.businessinsider.nl/fbi-finds-no-evidence-that-trump-and-his-allies-were-directly-involved-with-organizing-the-violence-of-the-capitol-riot-report/

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

 

You have a better case for citing Trump for jaywalking, go for it.

Biden OTOH, will look rather cooked soon after January 3.

 

I suspect you're right about any charges relating to the insurrection. On the other hand, the theft of government documents case and associated charges like obstructing justice are pretty much a slam dunk. 

I'm assuming the Biden you're referring to is Hunter. And he could be in trouble. Unless fathering a drug addict and ne'er do well is a crime, nothing substantive against his father has surfaced despite the delusions that the right wing has about what the laptop emails say.

Edited December 24, 2022 by placeholder

[dotcalm]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

On the other hand, the theft of government documents case and associated charges like obstructing justice are pretty much a slam dunk. 

Off topic, obfuscation AKA deflection. Nice try though.

But since you mentioned it, Mar-a-lago is a nothing burger witch hunt. No charges, no laws broken, but show me the legal details of culpability and what laws are broken.

 

I'll wait, (but not much longer cuz you got nothing).

[dotcalm]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I suspect you're right about any charges relating to the insurrection. On the other hand, the theft of government documents case and associated charges like obstructing justice are pretty much a slam dunk. 

did you read and comprehend this part:

January 6 committee releases final report, says Trump should be barred from office

 

What about Mar-a-lago here? You have an explanation for your obvious issues?

Edited December 24, 2022 by dotcalm

[dotcalm]

Silly J6 committe by unconstitutionally recommending criminal referral just destroyed Garlands chance to go after Trump for whatever fake charges they can come up. Congress legislates, it does not prosecute, but has turned this into political inference and any persecution of Trump will be seen as purely political. Bad call by the Jan 6 ding-bats.

 

There is no evidence of any criminal conduct by Trump and everyone knows it except those with their heads in the sand.

[placeholder]

22 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

Off topic, obfuscation AKA deflection. Nice try though.

But since you mentioned it, Mar-a-lago is a nothing burger witch hunt. No charges, no laws broken, but show me the legal details of culpability and what laws are broken.

 

I'll wait, (but not much longer cuz you got nothing).

Trump took government documents from the White House without the authorization of the National Archives. That alone is a crime. His lawyer denied that he had any more documents. Now maybe you think a lawyer would say that without consulting with Trump? After that denial a lot more documents were found at Mar a Lago, including some in his bedroom. So the evidence is quite overwhelming that he also obstructed justice.

[dotcalm]

8 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Trump can indeed be banned............

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment states that no one can “hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State” if they took an oath to support the Constitution and then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same.”

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/white-collar-and-criminal-law/trumps-insurrection-referral-spotlights-bar-to-holding-office

They need to act pretty quickly, as all bets are off Jan 3. So, forget it, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Sec-3/14thA cannot take place as it involves a vote and time is too short. You will have to conjure up a new scheme to provide consolation.

 

"The bill would need to pass both chambers of Congress, with only days before Republicans take control of the House and a substantial end-of-year agenda remaining. The legislation drops as the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021 assault on the Capitol prepares to release its final report next week. That committee is only authorized to operation until the end of the year."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-democrats-introduce-bill-to-bar-trump-from-office/ar-AA15mrDa

 

 

Edited December 24, 2022 by dotcalm

[dotcalm]

3 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

Trump can indeed be banned............

Trump won't be banned. He is likely destined for the WH again, as 47. It's either him or Desantis.

[candide]

3 hours ago, dotcalm said:

FBI finds no evidence that Trump and his allies were directly involved with organizing the violence of the Capitol riot: report
The FBI has not found any evidence that the January 6 assault on the US Capitol was part of an organized plot to overturn the election results, according to a report from Reuters.
The report also said that the FBI has "so far found no evidence that [former President Donald Trump] or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence."
https://www.businessinsider.nl/fbi-finds-no-evidence-that-trump-and-his-allies-were-directly-involved-with-organizing-the-violence-of-the-capitol-riot-report/

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

 

You have a better case for citing Trump for jaywalking, go for it.

Biden OTOH, will look rather cooked soon after January 3.

 

Your "news" is from August 2021.