Brexit has cracked Britain’s economic foundations

[bob smith]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Now that's out of the way, watch as the UK goes from strength to strength, as October showed. Not that it was about % points of GDP anyway, it was about getting out of the corrupt, failing federalist project, the European Union.

The UK is on its way to becoming a failed state.

Just look at the state of public service sector and inflation, it's a disgrace.

 

I regularly talk to people who live there and they tell me just how bleak their lives really are.

 

Most, if not all whom I know that voted for brexit wishes they could turn back the clock and vote differently. 

Edited December 26, 2022 by bob smith

[fvw53]

2 hours ago, itsari said:

Removing your self from a organization that you had 60 percent of your exports is a recipe for disaster economically .

Also there is a risk for human rights in the UK from brexit 

Why not mention the freedom which came with Brexit to negotiate "free trade" deals with Vanuatu, Tonga, Fiji etc...

[itsari]

1 minute ago, fvw53 said:

Why not mention the freedom which came with Brexit to negotiate "free trade" deals with Vanuatu, Tonga, Fiji etc...

Hardly enough to compensate for the loss from exports to the EU and companies moving out of the UK due to the difficulty to trade with the EU.

[roquefort]

13 minutes ago, Andrew65 said:

And all the developed nations are now suffering from a cost of living crisis. Germany has inflation at 10%, is this to do with Brexit, or more to do with the war in Ukraine?

It is partly to do with the war in Ukraine, very little to do with Brexit, and mostly due the the vast amount of funny money that has been conjured out of thin air by central banks since 2008. The Magic Money Tree, handouts for people to stay at home during Covid, government spending on an unprecedented scale - these are the real reasons for the cost of living crisis.

 

Inflation is caused by too much money chasing a limited supply of goods and services.

[Kwasaki]

No ones mentioned a good bit i guess is downplays things a bit. 

 

UK doing slightly better than Germany who would of thought that. ????

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, roquefort said:

It is partly to do with the war in Ukraine, very little to do with Brexit, and mostly due the the vast amount of funny money that has been conjured out of thin air by central banks since 2008. The Magic Money Tree, handouts for people to stay at home during Covid, government spending on an unprecedented scale - these are the real reasons for the cost of living crisis.

 

Inflation is caused by too much money chasing a limited supply of goods and services.

It’s also caused by a restriction in the close of goods and services.

 

Which is why the UK is the only G7 nation that has not recovered it’s economy to pre-COVID levels.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

No ones mentioned a good bit i guess is downplays things a bit. 

 

UK doing slightly better than Germany who would have thought that. ????

I suspect you are being choosy with your measure of ‘slightly better’.

[vinny41]

25 minutes ago, bob smith said:

The UK is on its way to becoming a failed state.

Just look at the state of public service sector and inflation, it's a disgrace.

 

I regularly talk to people who live there and they tell me just how bleak their lives really are.

 

Most, if not all whom I know that voted for brexit wishes they could turn back the clock and vote differently. 

And the majority of people that voted remain still don't understand that they are the root cause of the Brexit vote

The majority of funding went to London and area's where lobbyist's hadtheir pet projects the rest of the country received token crumb's from London's  elite

 

Britain’s EU Problem is a London Problem

Huge swathes of England outside of London voted to Leave the European Union, because of a feeling of exclusion that has been growing since Thatcher’s 1980s.

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/blog/britains-eu-problem-london-problem

 

 

[Tropposurfer]

Brexit ... a major coup for the jingoist fascist right .. just ask the ultra-nationalist (neo Nazi in a pinstripe suit) Nigel Farage what he thinks of that 'win' for his sick jingoist beliefs.

[Kwasaki]

43 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I suspect you are being choosy with your measure of ‘slightly better’.

So UK being better than Germany in something Germany the strongest richest country in EU means nothing, really. 

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

So UK being better than Germany in something Germany the strongest richest country in EU means nothing, really. 

The question is ‘better at what?’ 
 

What is the particular measure you are referring to and is it of any significance?

 

So ‘UK doing slightly better than Germany’ please explain what ‘slightly better’ you are referring to?

[ballpoint]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The question is ‘better at what?’ 
 

What is the particular measure you are referring to and is it of any significance?

 

So ‘UK doing slightly better than Germany’ please explain what ‘slightly better’ you are referring to?

One of the bits of the UK remained in the world cup slightly longer than Germany did.

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, TKDfella said:

saw on the news that there were certain (what were almost) 'institutions' that the UK was going to have stop; Early morning milk delivery (to your door) was one of them

A:that had nothing to do with the EU. 
 

B: you can still get milk delivered to your door if a dairy is willing to do it. 
 

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/11/milk-floats-ride-to-the-rescue-of-locked-down-british-households

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29327881.amp

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, fvw53 said:

Why not mention the freedom which came with Brexit to negotiate "free trade" deals with Vanuatu, Tonga, Fiji etc...

Sarcasm?

[Rimmer]

An off topic multi quote post dragged in from other topics has been removed.

 

7. Do not quote more than three multiple nested quotes. Only quote the person you are replying to, and only quote the relevant section that you are discussing.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

And the majority of people that voted remain still don't understand that they are the root cause of the Brexit vote

The majority of funding went to London and area's where lobbyist's hadtheir pet projects the rest of the country received token crumb's from London's  elite

 

Britain’s EU Problem is a London Problem

Huge swathes of England outside of London voted to Leave the European Union, because of a feeling of exclusion that has been growing since Thatcher’s 1980s.

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/blog/britains-eu-problem-london-problem

 

 

The neglect of regions outside London is down to the Conservatives. London still votes largely Labour.

 

North hit by spending cuts since Tory austerity while South sees increase in government money, study finds
The North has been hit hardest by public spending cuts since the coalition government launched its austerity programme, while the South has seen an increase in funds, according to an in-depth study.

Total public spending in the North has fallen £6.3bn since 2009/10, more than any other region, think tank IPPR North concluded.

The South East and South West, meanwhile, has seen a £3.2bn rise.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/north-south-divide-tory-austerity-conservatives-government-cameron-recession-a8667666.html

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

Brexit and COVID19 happened at almost exactly the same time. COVID19 meant that 30 million people were effectively put on the dole for a year or more, total cost of lockdown/furlough was £400 billion, but this all gets blamed on Brexit.

No it doesn’t.

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The neglect of regions outside London is down to the Conservatives. London still votes largely Labour.

 

North hit by spending cuts since Tory austerity while South sees increase in government money, study finds
The North has been hit hardest by public spending cuts since the coalition government launched its austerity programme, while the South has seen an increase in funds, according to an in-depth study.

Total public spending in the North has fallen £6.3bn since 2009/10, more than any other region, think tank IPPR North concluded.

The South East and South West, meanwhile, has seen a £3.2bn rise.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/north-south-divide-tory-austerity-conservatives-government-cameron-recession-a8667666.html

And ‘Leveling up’ turned out to be another con trick.

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Doowat said:

Says someone on the fascist left.

I love it. Lets mix up random words with contradictory meanings to create a new epithet.

Edited December 26, 2022 by ozimoron

[bob smith]

4 minutes ago, Doowat said:

None of the people I know who voted for brexit, regret their decision. This is a separate issue from the fact that the politicians and the globalist political class have betrayed the result and who fought tooth and nail to deny the public the result of the referendum. There maybe regret that the politicians have betrayed them (again) but the rationale behind their decision remains. The EU is a corrupt, Marxist, undemocratic and increasingly authoritarian body - hence why partisan media outlets like the BBC & CNN support it. The British originally voted to join what was the common market - a trading block- 50 years ago only to discover that they had been deceived by Ted Heath, who later admitted to his private secretary that the intention was always for the social and political integration that the British were never subsequently given a chance to vote on. Finally in 2016 the quisling Cameron gave us the chance for retribution (only because he was running scared of the increase in UKIP support), and in my opinion, the chance for revenge on the establishment was a strong factor in the leave vote. 

what absolute twoddle. 

[superal]

2 hours ago, bob smith said:

The UK is on its way to becoming a failed state.

Just look at the state of public service sector and inflation, it's a disgrace.

 

I regularly talk to people who live there and they tell me just how bleak their lives really are.

 

Most, if not all whom I know that voted for brexit wishes they could turn back the clock and vote differently. 

You speak about the UK inflation well how about this , the E.U. inflation is 11.1 % and 

the UK is 10.7% .  Also strikes within the public sector are not confined to the UK , they are across Europe , link below 

https://www.euronews.com/2022/12/16/workers-strike-across-europe-calling-for-higher-wages-amid-rising-inflation 

 Let us not forget among the main reasons the British public voted for Brexit . 

They were to rid the UK of masses of foreigners who were able to access the UK under the E.U ruling of free movement of workers , which resulted in unqualified cheap labour that undercut local Brits wages and putting them out of work with some losing their houses . Only parties to benefit were the business owners and construction companies made up from foreign labour . 

 

For the UK to be able to self rule and ditch the Brussels bureaucracy . 

 

I would still vote for Brexit today . The UK will reform to growth in the near future without the constraints of the dreaded non-elected Brussels crowd . Great to be free from the United States of Europe and the ambitions of Macron .

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Can somebody, preferably a Brexit supporter, point out the part where anyone voted to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union?

It seems you forgot: Brexit means Brexit!

[OneMoreFarang]

Everything would be wonderful without that war in Ukraine.

Blame Putin! Without him all would be perfect. ???? 

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, bob smith said:

I regularly talk to people who live there and they tell me just how bleak their lives really are.

Me too!

Sadly their lives were equally bleak before Brexit.

One of the reasons they voted to leave the EU was they were hoping for change.

As that News guy (Jonathan Pie) used to say,

A vote for Brexit was a vote for a change.

A vote to remain was a vote for no change.

 

 

[vinny41]

38 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The neglect of regions outside London is down to the Conservatives. London still votes largely Labour.

 

North hit by spending cuts since Tory austerity while South sees increase in government money, study finds
The North has been hit hardest by public spending cuts since the coalition government launched its austerity programme, while the South has seen an increase in funds, according to an in-depth study.

Total public spending in the North has fallen £6.3bn since 2009/10, more than any other region, think tank IPPR North concluded.

The South East and South West, meanwhile, has seen a £3.2bn rise.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/north-south-divide-tory-austerity-conservatives-government-cameron-recession-a8667666.html

The article I quoted from stated the rot started since the 1980's

 Huge swathes of England outside of London voted to Leave the European Union, because of a feeling of exclusion that has been growing since Thatcher’s 1980s.

Your link mentions the coalition (Conservative–Liberal Democrat coalition 2010-2015)

Can only assume that Labour did nothing to reduce the North-South divide

It would be interesting if the UK had a rotational parliament maybe London and Sunderland similar to the EU with  Strasbourg and Brussels

 

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Don't you remember the voting slip where everyone voted to Join the single market and the Customs Union

Not everyone - there was no referendum - parliament passed it by a hair at the 3rd go.

[Rimmer]

Off topic post and a video has been removed

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, MRToMRT said:

I live in the Uk 6 months of the year and I can tell you that the number of people now fitting into this category is huge (well to be honest they have not reached the rectified stage yet just the realisation they were duped in a game of political darts).

 

In the last year I don't think I have personally met anyone (pub, family, friends, chatting) who does not think they were conned as Brexit voters. I am from the north as well. 

You should get around more.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, JayClay said:

I don't think it's fair or productive to call people who voted to leave as "idiots". There were huge amounts of money involved in the propaganda campaign.

 

People were tricked. And if the UK is going to eventually align itself back with the EU it's important for people to understand that they were tricked in the first place. It's never an easy thing for one to admit that they were wrong, especially when considering the gravity of the consequences of the leave decision. The last thing they need to be reading is that people regard them as "idiots".

 

I have nothing but respect for people who can say "I made a mistake, we made a mistake, and it needs to be rectified".

 

Obviously there will always be the most ardent "Brexit at any cost" people. But they aren't, and never were, significant in numbers. Unfortunately the voting system we have means that this tiny minority have managed to take over the conservative party and therefore have control of the country. That won't be for much longer, thankfully.

Many people do understand that they were tricked in the first place. 1972.

[Bluespunk]

14 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Me too!

Sadly their lives were equally bleak before Brexit.

One of the reasons they voted to leave the EU was they were hoping for change.

As that News guy (Jonathan Pie) used to say,

A vote for Brexit was a vote for a change.

A vote to remain was a vote for no change.

 

 

Jonathan Pie is a comedic fictional character not a news guy.