Gunman Surrenders for Murdering British Ex-pat in Pattaya Area, Blames Road Rage

[itsari]

19 hours ago, ross163103 said:

A little "jai yen yen" from both parties might have prevented this outcome. I learned many years ago in Asia--and particularly Thailand, about keeping calm and not letting anger into situations, plus there's the loss of face issue over here, which is very prevalent. I realize everyone's different and handle situations differently, but beware of angry Thai males, most have short fuses, and they don't forget either I learned. 

I think from my experience that females could be put into the same category  as males concerning the anger side .

[BangkokReady]

17 hours ago, talahtnut said:

The Brit started it, loud honking and banging on

someones car...do that in any country and you

could be asking for 'red mist' bother.

So the Thai was morally right to shoot him?  A fair and proportional response?

 

"You sound your horn and bang on my car [if he even did that].  I shoot you dead.  We'll call it square and draw a line under the whole thing." - Something like that?

Edited January 10, 2023 by BangkokReady

[Dogmatix]

Mr Big was a real tough guy when he ambushed a old man and shot him in the back three times while he was fleeing. But he seemed to be blubbing like a baby when they took him to the cop shop and he started to see the years in the slammer unfolding in front of his eyes sleeping like sardines, sh1ting into a bucket and eating red rice. Guys like Big feel confident illegally packing a loaded gun in a car as they believe their families and their money will get them off. He probably used to fantasise about how he would use his gun, if the opportunity ever arose.  

Edited January 10, 2023 by Dogmatix

[spidermike007]

Road rage is defined here, as my ability to mature as a human being stopped at the age of 13, so I have been inflicted ever since with a mentality of a juvenile. Sorry, but I just simply don't think like an adult and I have no way to process my anger, and if someone does something that is perceived to be disrespectful to me, well I simply have to act out. 

[ross163103]

7 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

they believe their families and their money will get them off.

Sad to say but based on history and other cases, that's what will happen.

[BritManToo]

8 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

Mr Big was a real tough guy when he ambushed a old man and shot him in the back three times while he was fleeing. But he seemed to be blubbing like a baby when they took him to the cop shop and he started to see the years in the slammer unfolding in front of his eyes sleeping like sardines, sh1ting into a bucket and eating red rice. Guys like Big feel confident illegally packing a loaded gun in a car as they believe their families and their money will get them off. He probably used to fantasise about how he would use his gun, if the opportunity ever arose.  

You think he won't get away with it?

[Harsh Jones]

18 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

Instigate what?  The shooting?

If the Brit just sat on his bike, didn't honk at the car in front of him then nothing would have happened. Right ?

 

The Thai man being beyond redemption notwithstanding. The Brit should have pulled out his phone and checked the football scoreboard or something. Thats what I would have done. Sometimes you just have to wait.

[aussienam]

Maximum penalty for murder in Thailand is 15-20 years.  Death penalty as well but very rarely applied.

Mitigating factors, good behaviour and Royal pardons, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy spends less than ten inside.  

If the account of accused is true (if can be confirmed by CCTV and/or witness statements) then the deceased bumping the back of a car and blasting his horn was a pretty foolish and hazardous thing to do here, as many of us know how violent Thais can quickly become if offended and provoked. 

 

[jacko45k]

18 hours ago, aussienam said:

and blasting his horn

Here's another one talking from a position of ignorance. It was a little Snoopy scooter for heavens sake, not a Humvee. 

[aussienam]

4 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Here's another one talking from a position of ignorance. It was a little Snoopy scooter for heavens sake, not a Humvee. 

You are making yourself appear like a total fool with a huge grudge.

Who cares about the decibel levels of a horn and from what type of vehicle it sounded from. 

The level of anger from a deranged mind such as this Thai accused is potentially not going to be determined by the type of horn being sounded excessively behind him.  So a Snoopy has a soft horn. So?  It's the manner in which it was used that could have aggravated the situation. The combination of a horn sounded from whatever vehicle (who gives a sh** what type) and banging on someone's car could set off an unhinged man, such as alleged by this Thai. 

 

My argument about being careful how you behave on these roads remains the same, regardless of what horn is being applied.  A Snoopy horn doesn't mean it's not going to annoy someone.  Good luck with that mindset.  

[ross163103]

1 hour ago, aussienam said:

My argument about being careful how you behave on these roads remains the same,

Agree totally, and drive defensively.

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, aussienam said:

You are making yourself appear like a total fool with a huge grudge.

You claim a Snoopy has a blasting great horn and preach on as if you were there, (you weren't), and I am the one looking foolish... if you cannot be objective  about what might have transpired, better not to speak. I am of the opinion the Thai guy did the blasting, 4 times, a little old Snoopy horn tooting really upset his poor fragile soul. If it was even sounded! We don't even know that.

The rest of your post is distraction......

I have no argument with the concept of being careful and not reacting here....just fools believing what they hear from an unhinged man and creating their excuses for murder, and pondering over irrelevances!!

 

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by jacko45k

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 1/9/2023 at 10:44 PM, riclag said:

To be fair he should be extradited to England for a proper  indictment and trial! 

Thai justice is very suspect imop

The courts here don’t seem to hand out life sentences especially after a convicted citizen shows remorse  ! Imop

Rip sir 

He hasn't committed a crime that would come under UK jurisdiction so I don't see how there could be an extradition warrant issued.

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 1/10/2023 at 1:30 AM, talahtnut said:

The Brit started it, loud honking and banging on

someones car...do that in any country and you

could be asking for 'red mist' bother.

We don't know that. We only have the self-confessed murderer's version of events, and he has every incentive to suggest he was provoked, in an attempt to lessen his level of culpability.

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 1/10/2023 at 8:52 AM, Henryford said:

What "justice" would he get in England? A suspended sentence and 200 hours community service?

Community service? For the cold-blooded murder of a stranger by shooting them multiple times in the back with no mitigating circumstances?

 

You don't know much about the English justice system, do you?

[aussienam]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

You claim a Snoopy has a blasting great horn and preach on as if you were there, (you weren't), and I am the one looking foolish... if you cannot be objective  about what might have transpired, better not to speak.

 

 

Um, no I never stated the Snoopy scooter had a loud horn.  You've misquoted me.  I am not preaching as though I was there.  My comments are on being careful around Thai drivers and the actions you take.  

 

Being objective about what had transpired .... I am.  I am basing the scenario over the alleged account of events (sounding horn and banging on car).  Whether or not that actually transpired, I'll leave that up to investigators, lawyers and the judge to determine.  I don't know what really transpired.  

 

The final actions of the Thai man were obviously criminal and inexcusable regardless of the initial alleged provocation. 

 

You are obviously upset over this and I suggest mate you take a step back, take some deep breaths and relax.  

 

[Kevin Taylor]

A terrible incident. I would urge people to consider what do you get if you win the argument against what you might lose. In this instance the British expats honking his horn and kicking the car might have caused the car to pull out into traffic and he might have got home 5 or 10 seconds earlier, that's it. We all now know what happened when he lost the argument 

[billd766]

AFAICS the only other person who was there was the murderer, and I wouldn't trust his word anyway.

[petermik]

12 hours ago, Kevin Taylor said:

. In this instance the British expats honking his horn and kicking the car might have caused the car to pull out into traffic and he might have got home 5 or 10 seconds earlier, that's it. We all now know what happened when he lost the argument 

Did you actually witness Neil kicking the killers car or are you accepting his excuse as to why he gunned him down....there is no CCTV evidence to backup the killers version...unless of course you witnessed it?

R.I.P Neil

[Pouatchee]

On 1/9/2023 at 5:36 AM, VinnieK said:

and the f-word is one of the few that every Thai knows.

They know the word but unfortunately don't understand the culture around it. If I say "frack me" my language is kinda foul... but in no way am I insulting another person, but the Thais automatically think I am. Or Holy Frack!...

Thais haven't got a clue of the various usages of the F word... many times it is no worse than their 'alai wah' which is heard day in and day out. They need to brush up on other cultures before assuming that as soon as the F word is spoken someone loses face.

Edited January 21, 2023 by Pouatchee

[tomyami]

Its irrelevant what the murderer says after he made sure the only witness wouldn't be around to corroborate his statement the second and third bullet where to make sure of that.

I would say the murderer has previous form carrying a loaded gun.

If he is connected he will walk.

[NextG]

On 1/10/2023 at 1:30 AM, talahtnut said:

The Brit started it, loud honking and banging on

someones car...do that in any country and you

could be asking for 'red mist' bother.

So you swallowed the nonsense hook line and sinker?

According to the perpetrator, he was turning into a housing estate. He suggested that that annoyed his victim and that the victim “blared his horn, cursed him and then “followed him and bashed his car”. 
Followed him into the housing estate?! 
Do you see where I am going? It’s quite possible that because Apichart stopped in the middle of the road and nearly caused an accident, that a rider behind might hit the horn and let off an expletive. There is almost no chance that the victim followed him into the housing estate and bashed his car. Zero. There would be witnesses. 
Bottom line is that he is telling stories and hopes that his family connections(uncle was deputy mayor) and his twisting of the truth would get him off lightly. It is likely that because of his connections that he acted in such an arrogant manner in the first place. 

[Leaver]

On 1/13/2023 at 5:22 AM, jacko45k said:

You claim a Snoopy has a blasting great horn

 

The Snoopy doesn't, but the deceased may have had a blasting great mouth, and that's what got him killed. 

[metisdead]

An off topic deflection post about shootings in America has been removed.

[petermik]

56 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

The Snoopy doesn't, but the deceased may have had a blasting great mouth, and that's what got him killed. 

So to come out with that comment it's safe to assume you knew Neil....or is it that,as many other statements you make on various topics here, it is totally without foundation.

 

engage brain before opening mouth is recommended on sensitive threads such as this.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

 

The Snoopy doesn't, but the deceased may have had a blasting great mouth, and that's what got him killed. 

Did you know him very well, or is it your blasting great mouth taking with no idea of the truth?

 

If you can say nothing good or only speculate, it is better to remain silent.

 

The only witness to what truly happened, is the person who killed the victim by shooting him in the back, and I wouldn't believe a word he says.

[Leaver]

2 minutes ago, petermik said:

So to come out with that comment it's safe to assume you knew Neil....or is it that,as many other statements you make on various topics here, it is totally without foundation.

 

engage brain before opening mouth is recommended on sensitive threads such as this.

 

I didn't know Neil.  Merely pointing out that it may have been his words that drew trouble to him that night, not the Scoopy bike horn, as others have suggested. 

 

Were you with him when this incident occurred? 

[Leaver]

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Did you know him very well, or is it your blasting great mouth taking with no idea of the truth?

 

If you can say nothing good or only speculate, it is better to remain silent.

 

The only witness to what truly happened, is the person who killed the victim by shooting him in the back, and I wouldn't believe a word he says.

 

I didn't know him, but as I have said in another post, I would think it was his words, and possibly his actions, rather than just beeping the Scoopy horn, that has led to this incident taking place. 

 

I am certainly not a Thai apologist, and this is well know through my posts. 

 

I am not victim blaming either, because the reaction by the other driver was of course excessive, with murderous intent. 

 

I just find it difficult to believe there would have ONLY been the beeping of the motorbike horn that offended / insulted the offender.  I think Neil said and / or did, more than just beep the motorbike horn. 

 

Did he deserve to die for it, of course not. 

 

Did you witness the incident? 

[petermik]

12 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

 

The only witness to what truly happened, is the person who killed the victim by shooting him in the back, and I wouldn't believe a word he says.

 

11 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

I didn't know Neil.  

 

Were you with him when this incident occurred? 

 

11 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

 

 

 

Did you witness the incident? 

Two witnesses only....one is dead yet some people on here are happy to accept the killers version of what happened...the police on the other hand have no CCTV evidence to corroborate what the killer alledges..... perhaps you witnessed it Leaver and this is why your blaming the deceased for his part.

[Leaver]

On 1/23/2023 at 12:24 AM, petermik said:

 

 

Two witnesses only....one is dead yet some people on here are happy to accept the killers version of what happened...the police on the other hand have no CCTV evidence to corroborate what the killer alledges..... perhaps you witnessed it Leaver and this is why your blaming the deceased for his part.

 

Read my post again.  I am not victim blaming.  I wasn't there, but then again, neither were you.   I was replying to a post where I thought beeping the Scoopy horn would not have been the cause for the escalation of violence from the offender.  There must have been more that took place to cause such a reaction.