Is Thailand Aiding Russian Airlines by Supplying Boeing Parts?

[Banana7]

Russian airline Azur Air is flying Boeing jets into and out of Thailand on a daily basis. These jets require parts and maintenance. Is Thailand supplying Boeing parts or maintenance services to Russian airlines? If they are, it would be contrary to USA sanctions.  Thailand could face imprisonment, fines, loss of export privileges and other restricting steps if Thailand provides spare parts, fuel and other services for the U.S.-made planes that are being used for flights to and from Russia

Edited January 27, 2023 by Banana7

[Crossy]

It's ok, the jets are Choeing (copy Boeing) like the Chonda engine on my genset

 

[nigelforbes]

2 minutes ago, Crossy said:

It's ok, the jets are Choeing (copy Boeing) like the Chonda engine on my genset

 

Apparently they were at one point. China made the switch from Tupolev and Antonov to Boeing during the 1970/1980's but after a couple of years they found the spare part and maintenance program too expensive so they cancelled it and started to make their own. Several crashes later the program was reinstated! And you can still see the Tups/Ants on runways in China, god forbid your internal flight connection should involve one. 

[Banana7]

4 minutes ago, Crossy said:

It's ok, the jets are Choeing (copy Boeing) like the Chonda engine on my genset

 

Tough to copy a jet. Flight tracker says they are flying BOEING 767-300 (twin-jet) into Thailand

[Crossy]

6 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

Tough to copy a jet. Flight tracker says they are flying BOEING 767-300 (twin-jet) into Thailand

 

I've got a 50B memory-stick that says it's 2TB

[VocalNeal]

21 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

Is Thailand supplying Boeing parts or maintenance services to Russian airlines?

..and who would be selling those Boeing parts to Thailand????

[Crossy]

I can see parts and service of course, but does re-fuelling a Russian Boeing using fuel made outside the US really break the sanctions?

 

 

[ezzra]

With Thai supplied part i'd be worried flying with them planes, surprised none of them met with a catastrophe yet...

[nigelforbes]

14 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

Tough to copy a jet. Flight tracker says they are flying BOEING 767-300 (twin-jet) into Thailand

Switch the transponder units, job done.

[VocalNeal]

Azur Air Ukraine flies to Phuket. So it is possible that all flights to Thailand are actually a Ukrainian airline. I guess it depends on the colour of the aircraft.????

[Crossy]

14 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

Tough to copy a jet. Flight tracker says they are flying BOEING 767-300 (twin-jet) into Thailand

 

It wouldn't be the first time Russia has copied a Boeing, ok it's not a jet but ... : -

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-4

 

 

 

[nigelforbes]

7 minutes ago, Crossy said:

 

It wouldn't be the first time Russia has copied a Boeing, ok it's not a jet but ... : -

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-4

 

 

 

China Northern still uses them on their Nanjing to Dalian run, I'm certain. ????

[sammieuk1]

Is the op referring to at the start of the conflict Putin seized from memory some 200 aircraft on lease that should be impounded in any civilized country on arrival as they are stolen ????

[Crossy]

5 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

China Northern still uses them on their Nanjing to Dalian run, I'm certain. ????

 

That would be the Tu-70 passenger conversion of the Tu-4, according to the Wiki it never actually went into production.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-70

 

[nigelforbes]

9 minutes ago, Crossy said:

 

That would be the Tu-70 passenger conversion of the Tu-4, according to the Wiki it never actually went into production.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-70

 

Flying business class means you get a parachute assigned, and your own oxygen bottle, it's worth the extra in case it ever manages to get over 10,000 feet.

[bamnutsak]

54 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

Is Thailand supplying Boeing parts or maintenance services to Russian airlines?

I think the answer to this question is no.

 

While Thailand wants to get into the aircraft servicing business, and has to a limited degree via THAI Maintenance (at BKK and UTP), I don't think they'd violate Boeing sanctions.

 

Aeroflot is keeping some of their leased aircraft (A350) on domestic routes as these would be seized if flown outside of Russia.

 

Aeroflot recently purchased 10 777 off of lease to avoid seizure. They are flying these to Thailand.

 

It looks like Azur are flying 76x and 75x to Thailand (HKT, UTP).

 

There was a dust-up with Laos, so these flights may have had to refuel in Myanmar. That may have been addressed?

 

I think the Russian option is to slap a yellow INOP sticker on the failed device and limp back home to scanvenged parts and repairs.

 

 

— Jan. 6:

An Azur Air international flight to Thailand with 263 people on board returned to Novosibirsk six hours after takeoff due to windshield damage.

 

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/01/10/sanctioned-russian-aviation-sector-hit-by-slew-of-incidents-in-new-year-a79903

 

 

 

[Tom H]

That is a topic which should be more reflected in the public than police escort services for a tik tok tourist.

 

But:

Thai people are not interested in such politics.

 

Question is:

Why?

 

Education? Knowledge? Dont care behaviour? 

 

I dont know.

 

When is it reflected?

 

When UN sanctions would be on the table.

 

They wont appear because no proofs!

So blame the journalist due to a missing investigative attitude of his job? 

 

I call it Tiktok-journalism with a headline only.

 

So?

Nothing will happen and the “news” are “olds” by tomorrow.

 

Investigative journalism is the solution.

Edited January 27, 2023 by Tom H

[VocalNeal]

15 minutes ago, Tom H said:

But:

Thai people are not interested in such politics.

 

Question is:

Why?

 

Education? Knowledge? Dont care behaviour? 

Hey I resemble that remark. Especially the don't care bit

The Serenity Prayer????

Edited January 27, 2023 by VocalNeal

[Henryford]

Are these the leased planes stolen from the EU? If so they should be seized at any airport outside Russia.

Edited January 27, 2023 by Henryford

[Crossy]

20 minutes ago, Henryford said:

Are these the leased planes stolen form the EU? If so they should be seized at any airport outside Russia.

 

Apparently, the ones flying here have been bought off-lease.

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, Banana7 said:

Tough to copy a jet. Flight tracker says they are flying BOEING 767-300 (twin-jet) into Thailand

"Thailand could face imprisonment"

How would that be done, an invasion?

[Banana7]

7 hours ago, Crossy said:

I can see parts and service of course, but does re-fuelling a Russian Boeing using fuel made outside the US really break the sanctions?

 

 

Apparently fueling Boeing aircraft owned/operated by Russian airlines qualifies for sanctions. Just Google using "turkey boeing parts russian" You'll find some stories about Turkey has received notice to stop refueling Boeing aircraft operated by Russian airlines.

 

Edited January 27, 2023 by Banana7

[Banana7]

5 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

"Thailand could face imprisonment"

How would that be done, an invasion?

Imprisonment of the people allowing/aiding in breaking the sanctions. Russian Boeing aircraft should not  be re-fueled or repaired in Thailand. The people allowing these actions may face legal action. Thailand and USA do have extradition treaty allowing people who are "wanted" in USA to be sent to USA to face legal proceedings.

 

 

 

[Crossy]

18 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

Apparently fueling Boeing aircraft owned/operated by Russian airlines qualifies for sanctions. Just Google using "turkey boeing parts russian" You'll find some stories about Turkey has received notice to stop refueling Boeinf aircraft operated by Russian airlines.

 

 

"But honest Mr US Sanctions chap, they arrived with half a tank." (no, not a T34) "Prove otherwise! and we might consider extradition" (a bit like the US did with a certain citizen who ran having killed a young motorcyclist in the UK).

 

Of course, the Thais would never do anything to upset the US, or would they?

 

Remember who the real paymasters are.

 

 

[Banana7]

29 minutes ago, Crossy said:

 

"But honest Mr US Sanctions chap, they arrived with half a tank." (no, not a T34) "Prove otherwise!"

 

Of course, the Thais would never do anything to upset the US, or would they?

 

Remember who the real paymaster are.

 

 

One of the flights from Russia is VKO to UTP which is 3,078 miles, ( a 9 hour 39 min. flight) one way, which is being flown by a Boeing 767-300. This aircraft can fly about 6,800 miles but that doesn't include 2 takeoffs. It can fly 6,800 in one trip, one takeoff. Lots of fuel is consumed at takeoff. Also, according to international safety standards, every flight should have fuel contingency supporting at least 40 minutes of flight.

Edited January 27, 2023 by Banana7

[Crossy]

12 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

One of the flights from Russia is VKO to UTP which is 3,078 miles, ( a 9 hour 39 min. flight) one way, which is being flown by a Boeing 767-300. This aircraft can fly about 6,800 miles but that doesn't include 2 takeoffs. It can fly 6,800 in one trip, one takeoff. Lots of fuel is consumed at takeoff. Also, according international safety standards, every flight should have fuel contingency supporting at least 40 minutes of flight.

 

I'll nip into Myanmar to top up on the way back, or for that matter a Russian field which IS within range.

 

Russia, international safety standards?

 

Of course, I'm not saying that this is what they do, but ...

[Banana7]

Just now, Crossy said:

 

I'll nip into Myanmar to top up on the way back, or for that matter a Russian field which IS within range.

 

Russia, international safety standards?

 

Of course, I'm not saying that this is what they do, but ...

I understand.

 

Maybe somone from the US Embassy in Bangkok, should go to UTP and HKT and observe what is happening with the Azure Boeing aircraft and report back to Assistant Secretary of Commerce Thea Rozman Kendler.

 

You can observe the flight paths in realtime at flightaware.com and other flight tracking websites. They show no stops between VKO and UTP. You can also see the previous 4 flights and their paths with altitude and speed, during the entire flight, no stops.

 

[malt25]

"Thailand could face imprisonment,"  Have to be a bloody BIG jail !

[bamnutsak]

15 hours ago, Banana7 said:

One of the flights from Russia is VKO to UTP which is 3,078 miles

Great Circle says 4,481 miles... http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=vko-utp

 

This aircraft/flight (weekly service, in flight now) gets re-fueled here.  https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/zf3711#2efe4edf

 

Re-fueling seems to have been on the list of prohibited/sanctioned activities by the U.S. Commerce Department in the past, but suspect the State Department won't push on this with Thailand?

 

Single aisle (73x/75x) charters from eastern Russia were affected by the Laos fly-over issue but this may have been resolved?

[oxo1947]

On 1/27/2023 at 9:00 AM, Banana7 said:

Thailand could face imprisonment, fines, loss of export privileges and other restricting steps

Before they start to look at Thailand supplying the odd aircraft part---maybe they should look at the larger offenders--"Turkey"  (our one of our great NATO Allies )...along with 2 other countries (China/India) keep Russia afloat by taking over 70% of its oil, against all UN & NATO  restrictions.

 

Germany's (NATO member)...largest refinery, 24% owned by Russia's Rosneft (ROSN.MM), continues to buy Russian crude, which accounts for about 14% of the total intake.