Florida teachers forced to remove books from their classrooms—or face felony charges

[ozimoron]

Just now, 2009 said:

Well, there are some very dangerous books, right?

 

You wouldn't agree with them reading the works of Hitler, would you?

Correct, I wouldn't. And that book is banned based on complaint, not automatic exclusion.

[2009]

Just now, ozimoron said:

Correct, I wouldn't. And that book is banned based on complaint, not automatic exclusion.

Got evidence to back up that claim? ????

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So there you go, start with banning books and move on to banning teachers.

 

I really do suggest you read the history of the first half of tge 20th Century.

Will there be right wing nutters descending on libraries and ransacking in search of undesirable books like a sort of cultural revolution. 

[heybruce]

11 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

If their ideology is "keep kids safe", why is that so bad?

 

Multiple people have explained multiple times what this is about. Why keep pretending like they're banning every book except for a very narrow few that conform to their ideology? It's obviously about protecting children from a certain type of harmful ideology.

Because, as has been explained repeatedly, they are banning every book from school libraries (not just the classroom) that is not on their approved list.

[ozimoron]

Just now, 2009 said:

No, it'll be the woke community.

Based on the definition of woke that would be educated people.

[pomchop]

and who exactly gets to decide what books are allowed and what are banned....a bunch of politicians or political appointees?  Bring in the bible beaters, the flat earth bunch and the conspiracy theory lunatics?  Don't forget the election deniers, the anti vax, the anti science, the anti global warming bunch cause  they no doubt want the kids to be dumbed down to their levels.

 

 How about have a national standard where any book proposed as inappropriate is reviewed by a board of education professionals selected by a large group of teachers who actually have some knowledge of schools, libraries, school kids, etc..who can discuss after actually reading the books in question and make appropriate recommendations?

 

I don't need or want some right wing bible beating moron like desantis or one of his bat sxxt crazy  political appointee deciding what is appropriate.

 

What's next revive the Salem witch trials?

 

 

 

[pomchop]

If you want to ban a book that is full of sex, murder, violence and fairy tales start with the Bible.

[ozimoron]

Just now, pomchop said:

If you want to ban a book that is full of sex, murder, violence and fairy tales start with the Bible.

It should be banned from schools anyway based on the principles of the separation of church and state and of inclusion.

[heybruce]

5 minutes ago, 2009 said:

I guess this all comes down to what they think kids should be reading: Adam and Eve, or the newer version, Adam and Steve.

 

 

Otherwise, what's this all about?

No.  This is about a vaguely written law with stiff penalties that restrict what teachers can teach, how they interact with their students, and what books they can use.

 

Teachers, schools and school districts are practicing self-censorship to the extreme of removing classroom libraries to avoid falling foul of the law.

 

 

[candide]

I must admit that right-wingers have an impressive ability to make up things! They surely don't need any book for that! ????

[ozimoron]

Prospective GOP candidates for president are leaning heavily into education amid concerns over issues like parental rights and the politicization of school curriculums.

 

Underscoring how critical an issue it is for Republicans, former President Trump unveiled his education platform on Thursday, calling for cutting federal funds to any education program that involves “critical race theory, gender ideology, or other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content onto our children.”

 

Their actions come as potential GOP candidates search for winning issues after a disappointing midterm election.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3833724-republicans-see-education-as-winning-issue-in-2024/

 

edit: note the right wing press' inability to spell curricula. 

Edited January 30, 2023 by ozimoron

[2009]

18 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Underscoring how critical an issue it is for Republicans, former President Trump unveiled his education platform on Thursday, calling for cutting federal funds to any education program that involves “critical race theory, gender ideology, or other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content onto our children.”

I mean, who can argue against such a reasonable and sound view?

[ozimoron]

Just now, 2009 said:

I mean, who can argue against such a reasonable and sound view?

Suppression of critical race theory is anything but inappropriate. The point was made by another poster was that politicians should not be the ones setting the rules.

[wwest5829]

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

Doesn't sound like the agenda being disgust at all.

Broaden the reading, “After nearly three weeks of being pressed to explain their decisions, Florida’s education officials shared 5,895 pages of documents showing what the state’s textbook reviewers saw in the volumes that led to their rejection.” - Washington Post. There is a lot to be digested, reflection on “unintended” or intended consequences being discussed. My reflection on what I taught certainly is questioned by some reviews of the books, if they allude to systemic rascism in the US, inequality in gender or racial treatment, stating that there is such a thing as climate change … My main concern is limiting what can be taught, by whom, and denying documented facts in favor of a political agenda. My political agenda as an educator is “academic freedom” to investigate, discuss, explore, discuss any topic. It appears to me in history that those who seek to restrict/control education are doing so to keep control politically over their citizenry.

[Bkk Brian]

11 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Why is discussing sexual activities with opposite sex workmates called sexual harassment and a firing(or worse) offense, yet with grade 3 children it is all fine and good? Sorry I don't buy it. This saga is made a million times worse by the left swearing the sexualization of young children at school is a "right wing conspiracy theory" yet are going ballistic when HERO Ron DeSantis bans it?!?! 

I couldn't have put it better myself, just to add, where did you get they teach sex education at 3rd grade?

 

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1619746539173466113

 

[2009]

24 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Suppression of critical race theory is anything but inappropriate. The point was made by another poster was that politicians should not be the ones setting the rules.

Critical race theory doesn't really sound like a topic suitable for children though, right?

 

University, okay.

[wwest5829]

17 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Broaden the reading, “After nearly three weeks of being pressed to explain their decisions, Florida’s education officials shared 5,895 pages of documents showing what the state’s textbook reviewers saw in the volumes that led to their rejection.” - Washington Post. There is a lot to be digested, reflection on “unintended” or intended consequences being discussed. My reflection on what I taught certainly is questioned by some reviews of the books, if they allude to systemic rascism in the US, inequality in gender or racial treatment, stating that there is such a thing as climate change … My main concern is limiting what can be taught, by whom, and denying documented facts in favor of a political agenda. My political agenda as an educator is “academic freedom” to investigate, discuss, explore, discuss any topic. It appears to me in history that those who seek to restrict/control education are doing so to keep control politically over their citizenry. Politico has an additional article.

 

[Eric Loh]

13 minutes ago, 2009 said:

Critical race theory doesn't really sound like a topic suitable for children though, right?

 

University, okay.

Why? Australian students want to learn more aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander. In Singapore, history of her origin is taught at primary schools. You have been hookwinked by the far right conservatives using culture war as a political leverage because they have nothing in terms of policies to offer to the general public. 

[newnative]

More and more, I no longer recognize America.  Sad.

[pomchop]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Prospective GOP candidates for president are leaning heavily into education amid concerns over issues like parental rights and the politicization of school curriculums.

 

Underscoring how critical an issue it is for Republicans, former President Trump unveiled his education platform on Thursday, calling for cutting federal funds to any education program that involves “critical race theory, gender ideology, or other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content onto our children.”

 

Their actions come as potential GOP candidates search for winning issues after a disappointing midterm election.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3833724-republicans-see-education-as-winning-issue-in-2024/

 

edit: note the right wing press' inability to spell curricula. 

Yeah boy Trump sure did provide a perfect role model for the nations children.  I really want him to decide what children should be allowed to read or be taught....Favorite classes?

 

1.  Just grab em by the pxxxxy

2.  How to make fun of handicapped people

3.  100 lies in 20 days:  How to Lie like a pro

4.   How to hire a porn star.

5.  How to use a Bible for a political prop

6.  How to avoid the military with fake bone spurs.

7.  How to declare bankruptcy and stick workers with your bills.

8.  How to act like you know more than experts

9.  How to keep the uneducated drinking kool aide

10   How to throw your friends, famiy, staff under the bus, 

11. How to cheat on your wives

12.  How to lust after your own daughter and seem normal.

13.  How to use racist slurs effectively

14.  How to praise neo Nazis

15.  How to steal classified documents 

16.  How to raise money for a cause and spend it on yourself

17.  How to encourage violence, murder and mayhem

18.  How to have more golden idols than carter had peanuts

19.  How to make fools of people who worship you

20.  How to run a fake university and make millions.

21.  How to engage in tax fraud for decades

22.  How to know less history than a 5th grader.

23.  How to cure diseases by drinking bleach

24.  How to take from the poor and give to the rich.

25.  How to match your fake tan with orange jumpsuits.

 

 

 

Edited January 30, 2023 by pomchop
spelling

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

former President Trump unveiled his education platform on Thursday, calling for cutting federal funds to any education program that involves “critical race theory, gender ideology, or other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content onto our children.”

I think he's 100% right and would add 'promotion of any religion', and 'climate change alarmism' to his list.

Edited January 30, 2023 by BritManToo

[Slip]

4 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

This is the opposite of that. The ideology that is posing a threat is straight out of 1984.

Either you have not read 1984 or you did not understand it.  As a child was your access to books restricted by a right wing politician with an agenda perhaps?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I think he's 100% right and add 'promotion of any religion', and 'climate change alarmism' to his list.

Trump promotes religion. Your second sentence illustrates why politicians shouldn't decide what gets taught and what doesn't.

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, Slip said:

Either you have not read 1984 or you did not understand it.  As a child was your access to books restricted by a right wing politician with an agenda perhaps?

I had a library card for my town library, and could read any book I liked.

The school library was much more restrictive.

 

My class mates could just about manage Enid Blyton, I was reading HG Wells and Edgar Rice Burroughs.

Edited January 30, 2023 by BritManToo

[johnnybangkok]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Found one in Canada ..........

https://www.saltwire.com/atlantic-canada/opinion/grant-frost-transgender-teacher-fracas-turns-schools-into-social-debate-flashpoint-100778694/

 

And another in Canada .........

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/saint-laurent-drag-queen-barbada-1.6512634

 

OK, found one but not in Florida ...........

https://njedreport.com/2022/07/27/njea-is-teaching-first-grade-teachers-how-to-perform-drag-queen-story-hour/

 

 

And there we have it in a nutshell. When asked for examples of all this 'woke' teaching and 'inappropriate' lessons, the best you can come up with is 3 stories, 2 of which are from Canada and none of which are in Florida.

It's yet another example of the GOP creating a problem that doesn't exist in order to stoke the flames of racism, homophobia and anti-LGBTQ thinking because Desantis (like most GOPers) understands how appealing this is to his base. Forget actually sound economic or political policies in favour of riling up people with the 'but, but will someone PLEASE think of the children'.

It's so obvious as to be laughable but as many of the comments on this thread show, it is greedily devoured by the right in an attempt to yet again, get one back on the 'woke' left and drag the US and the rest of the world back to the 1950's.

      

[johnnybangkok]

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I had a library card for my town library, and could read any book I liked.

The school library was much more restrictive.

 

My class mates could just about manage Enid Blyton, I was reading HG Wells and Edgar Rice Burroughs.

You should have focused on the books that taught critical thinking.

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You should have focused on the books that taught critical thinking.

Or Asterix the Gaul in Latin. The average right wing reading comprehension might have been better.

[Eric Loh]

22 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I think he's 100% right and would add 'promotion of any religion', and 'climate change alarmism' to his list.

Of course that should be added when you don't have any real policies for the people. You can easily fool the gullible. 

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

It is keeping kids safe. Banning every book except for "ideologically correct" books is dangerous for kids.

That isn't what is happening.  It's simply a tool for keeping the dangerous books out.

 

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

I've made my point and now I have work to do. Enjoy your day ????

Enjoy.

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

It's not about classroom libraries, that a right wing talking point. It's all school libraries.

It's about classroom libraries in the original post, the twitter post and the article linked.

 

If you read the article, all they're doing is having a specially trained member of staff who already works at the school approve the books that can be used in the school.  It isn't the government doing it.  They haven't got the the teacher's personal books yet, so the school has asked teachers to remove any unauthorised books.

 

it's all hot air and performance by the teachers.  Probably because ego makes them think that no one should be able to tell them what books are and aren't allowed in "their" classroom.

From the article:

Quote

 

The policy comes in response to HB 1467, which requires all reading material in schools to be selected by an employee with a valid education media specialist certificate.

 

Each of Manatee County's more than 60 schools has at least one certified media center specialist to vet books, Chapman said. The district and schools have begun making calls for volunteers to help teachers go through their classroom libraries and inventory what was already approved and what needs to be approved.