Just now, 2009 said:

Haven't you seen the videos of trannies twerking in front of groups of children?

Are they in schools? This is about schools.

2 minutes ago, 2009 said:

Haven't you seen the videos of trannies twerking in front of groups of children?

No, I haven't. But I've seen vids of the Jewish space lasers and, man, those thing are scary!

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Which is totally different to promoting deviant lifestyles to impressionable children.

What do you mean by promoting? Acknowledging that they exist?

5 minutes ago, 2009 said:

It ain't the conservatives doing this.

Prove it.

 

But a predominant feature of the "Karen" stereotype is that they weaponise their relative privilege against people of colour - for example, when making police complaints against black people for minor or even - in numerous cases - fictitious infringements.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53588201

24 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

It seems that some on this board are still suffering from "Trump Derangement Syndrome." Chill out folks, its a long way to the next election. Old sleepy Joe is still in charge......sort of.

You responded to a post about DeSantis.

Reported unsubstantiated rant and responses removed.

23 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

No, I haven't. But I've seen vids of the Jewish space lasers and, man, those thing are scary!

Yeah I messaged George Soros on Telegram to send me a Jewish space laser shooter but the shyster has not delivered!

Absolutely pathetic ????

25 minutes ago, 2009 said:

Haven't you seen the videos of trannies twerking in front of groups of children?

No.  Is this happening in public schools?  If so, prove it.

24 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Please back up with a link or stop trolling.

Please read the OP and the link provided or stop trolling.  You can start your reading with the first paragraph of the link (this is the third time I've provided this paragraph in this topic):

 

"Some Manatee County teachers have covered their classroom libraries with construction paper or otherwise eliminated students' access to make sure they comply with new Florida law requiring all library books to be approved by a certified media specialist."   https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/education/2023/01/23/fearing-prosecution-manatee-county-teachers-cover-up-classroom-books/69832276007/

 

That's pretty clear:  All books are banned in Florida school libraries unless they are on a government approved list.

 

I don't know if this will hold up in court.  If not, it will go on the list of laws passed under the DeSantis administration that were tossed out by the courts (after costing the taxpayers the legal expenses) that result in nothing other than DeSantis getting air time on Fox.

4 hours ago, The Old Bull said:

The problem is when you set up the "ministry of truth" the temptation to use it for political purposes is hard to resist.

This is the opposite of that. The ideology that is posing a threat is straight out of 1984.

Just now, BangkokReady said:

This is the opposite of that. The ideology that is posing a threat is straight out of 1984.

Banning books is straight out of 1984.

34 minutes ago, 2009 said:

Haven't you seen the videos of trannies twerking in front of groups of children?

Everything is a right-wing conspiracy. Even if there is video evidence and eye-witness testimony, it's a conspiracy.

Just now, ozimoron said:

Banning books is straight out of 1984.

Not in this context.

Just now, BangkokReady said:

Not in this context.

I'm taking that as a joke.

20 minutes ago, heybruce said:

No.  Is this happening in public schools?  If so, prove it.

Found one in Canada ..........

https://www.saltwire.com/atlantic-canada/opinion/grant-frost-transgender-teacher-fracas-turns-schools-into-social-debate-flashpoint-100778694/

 

And another in Canada .........

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/saint-laurent-drag-queen-barbada-1.6512634

 

OK, found one but not in Florida ...........

https://njedreport.com/2022/07/27/njea-is-teaching-first-grade-teachers-how-to-perform-drag-queen-story-hour/

 

 

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

That's pretty clear:  All books are banned in Florida school libraries unless they are on a government approved list.

It's classroom libraries, not school libraries, by your quote. So you've got that one wrong straight away.

 

Also it isn't banning books, it's only allowing books that are approved.

 

And they aren't being made to close their classroom libraries, they're obviously choosing to do that to try to claim that they have to due to the law. All they really have to do is only have books that are on the approved list.

 

It's all political theatre and hot air.

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I'm taking that as a joke.

Take it how you want. Saying that teachers aren't allowed to indoctrinate students with harmful ideologies is anti-1984.

DeSantis appears to be a white supremacist, who is attempting to whitewash history. He is appealing to his base. Refusing to allow teachers to have a curriculum which teaches real history is dangerous, fooling, ignorant and bordering on fascist. Meet Ron. 

38 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What do you mean by promoting? Acknowledging that they exist?

No. They tell kids that they apply to them and encourage them to follow the ideology.

 

That's the whole reason for a restriction on what books teachers can bring into the classroom and show to kids.

2 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

And then when these students get to me (well, before I retired) in college, I will be condemned for providing a damned "liberal" higher education because I would be teaching ideas that Florida students never previously encountered in their censored education.

You use to fill your students head with angry gender, trans and race ideology?

11 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Can we agree that education is not indoctrination?

 

The word "indoctrination" is loaded and is out of context. The process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.

May I add one example of Germany, but generally understandable:

Concerning the content of Adolf Hitler's book "Mein Kampf", it is racist and very dump. You should not agree with the content, but people should have the opprotunity to  read it to have their own critical oppinion. If you are not allowed to read it, how can you trust people talking about it?

Result, even if the content of  books may be dangerous or idiotic, give the young people a chance for their own opinion. But this needs critical thinking.  And that depends on the age of school children and on the moral and the law.

9 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

No. They tell kids that they apply to them and encourage them to follow the ideology.

 

That's the whole reason for a restriction on what books teachers can bring into the classroom and show to kids.

Exactly what applies to them?

13 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Everything is a right-wing conspiracy. Even if there is video evidence and eye-witness testimony, it's a conspiracy.

"Everything is a right-wing conspiracy."

Let me fix that for you; Every conspiracy theory is right wing. Reason? It just seems to attract most of the nutters. Maybe you as a (I assume) right winger can explain why.

 

"Even if there is video evidence and eye-witness testimony, it's a conspiracy.

Eye witness testimony?? Like sightings of Bigfoot and murderous windmills?

15 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

All books are not being removed though , just books that contain pornography and see below 

 

 

 "In a message sent from the Manatee district to principals, the material must be “free of pornography” and “appropriate for the age level and group.” New training approved by the State Board of Education also asks media specialists to avoid materials with “unsolicited theories that may lead to student indoctrination.”

Right, Math is out. ????

16 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

It's classroom libraries, not school libraries, by your quote. So you've got that one wrong straight away.

 

Also it isn't banning books, it's only allowing books that are approved.

 

And they aren't being made to close their classroom libraries, they're obviously choosing to do that to try to claim that they have to due to the law. All they really have to do is only have books that are on the approved list.

 

It's all political theatre and hot air.

First:  The next time reply to a post of mine by first editing out the pertinent information I will report you.

 

Second:  This is the quote you edited out, which in no way limits the ban to classrooms only (as if that weren't bad enough):

 

"Some Manatee County teachers have covered their classroom libraries with construction paper or otherwise eliminated students' access to make sure they comply with new Florida law requiring all library books to be approved by a certified media specialist."   https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/education/2023/01/23/fearing-prosecution-manatee-county-teachers-cover-up-classroom-books/69832276007/

18 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

It's classroom libraries, not school libraries, by your quote. So you've got that one wrong straight away.

 

Also it isn't banning books, it's only allowing books that are approved.

 

And they aren't being made to close their classroom libraries, they're obviously choosing to do that to try to claim that they have to due to the law. All they really have to do is only have books that are on the approved list.

 

It's all political theatre and hot air.

Absolutely agree, political theatre initiated by DeSantis and his ilk.  Actually, I am quite open to seeing discussion of the books forbidden out of fear of legal prosecution.

13 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Found one in Canada ..........

https://www.saltwire.com/atlantic-canada/opinion/grant-frost-transgender-teacher-fracas-turns-schools-into-social-debate-flashpoint-100778694/

 

And another in Canada .........

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/saint-laurent-drag-queen-barbada-1.6512634

 

OK, found one but not in Florida ...........

https://njedreport.com/2022/07/27/njea-is-teaching-first-grade-teachers-how-to-perform-drag-queen-story-hour/

 

 

Then send DeSantis to Canada.  Please.

14 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

This is the opposite of that. The ideology that is posing a threat is straight out of 1984.

Correct:  The DeSantis ideology of banning all books not on a government/Big Brother approved list.

15 hours ago, liddelljohn said:

All fanatics be they  religious, political, managerial, military , left wing , right wing fascists , commies , liberals , greens, environmentalists etc etc  all of them need to be culled , to save humanity, freedom , rational thought ,democracy  and common sense , and true natural justice ,

So that equals everyone!