Florida man charged with throwing explosive at capitol riot

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Just to clarify : I actually will not be saying that next . 

So you've reached the lower limit of your downplay already?

[youreavinalaff]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Right, why would the FBI conduct forensics after an explosion in the capitol building? It makes no sense at all. You know they have and now you're accusing them of lying to cover that it was just a squib but they arrested him anyway. You;'re really stretching a long bow here, fooling nobody.

Please could you link to the forensic report and where the FBI have actually confirmed what type of "explosive device" it was. Thanks.

Edited May 5, 2023 by youreavinalaff

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 You know they have and now you're accusing them of lying to cover that it was just a squib but they arrested him anyway. Y

Once again, just to clarify, I haven't accused anyone of lying 

[scorecard]

19 hours ago, Credo said:

In all the reports on this event, this is the first I've heard of the use of any type of explosive.  This guy deserves a very long stretch in prison.   

And the masterminds also.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

So you've reached the lower limit of your downplay already?

Calling a firecracker a firework and not calling it an "explosive device" is sticking to the reality, rather than exaggerating .

   So, IMO, I am correcting other peoples exaggerations    

[scorecard]

18 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It could have been a firework , you now how some people exaggerate things 

Sure and the thugs who smashed windows etc., believed they were playing with a lego set. 

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Please could you link to the forensic report and where the FBI have actually confirmed what type of "explosive device" it was. Thanks.

No, I said that nobody should believe they haven't done so. The FBI will prove their evidence during the trial. You know that so stop trolling.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, scorecard said:

Sure and the thugs who smashed windows etc., believed they were playing with a lego set. 

Just to clarify , I don't think that the people who smashed windows thought that they were playing with lego sets 

[youreavinalaff]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

No, I said that nobody should believe they haven't done so. The FBI will prove their evidence during the trial. You know that so stop trolling.

Not trolling. It's just a bit confusing when you write something like this

 

" Right, why would the FBI conduct forensics after an explosion in the capitol building? It makes no sense at all. You know they have and now you're accusing them of lying to cover that it was just a squib but they arrested him anyway. You;'re really stretching a long bow here, fooling nobody."

 

An unfounded accusation based on unpublished forensics. I thought you might have had proof of something. Never mind.

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

No, I said that nobody should believe they haven't done so. The FBI will prove their evidence during the trial. You know that so stop trolling.

The FBI have publicly stated that an FBI explosives expert was unable to conclusively identify the precise dimensions, charge size or whether the device was improvised or commercially manufactured.

    So the FBI will not be stating what the device was in Court

[ozimoron]

Just now, youreavinalaff said:

Not trolling. It's just a bit confusing when you write something like this

 

" Right, why would the FBI conduct forensics after an explosion in the capitol building? It makes no sense at all. You know they have and now you're accusing them of lying to cover that it was just a squib but they arrested him anyway. You;'re really stretching a long bow here, fooling nobody."

 

An unfounded accusation based on unpublished forensics. I thought you might have had proof of something. Never mind.

It's utterly inconceivable to anything but a conspiracy infused mind that they haven't.

[youreavinalaff]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It's utterly inconceivable to anything but a conspiracy infused mind that they haven't.

Haven't what?

 

I asked what the device was. Do you know?

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The FBI have publicly stated that an FBI explosives expert was unable to conclusively identify the precise dimensions, charge size or whether the device was improvised or commercially manufactured.

    So the FBI will not be stating what the device was in Court

They have however stated it was an explosive device, the explosives expert also gave an assessment as follows:

 

“An Explosives and Hazardous Devices Examiner with the Federal Bureau of Investigations was unable to conclusively identify the precise dimensions, charge size, or whether the device thrown was improvised or commercially manufactured; however, based on reviewing the various video angles that captured the explosive was able to conclude the device was capable of inflicting damage to surrounding property as well as seriously injuring persons in the vicinity of the resultant explosion. Several officers were injured as a result of the explosion.”

 

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/florida-man-arrested-felony-charges-actions-during-jan-6-capitol-breach-0

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Haven't what?

 

I asked what the device was. Do you know?

It was an explosive device that has been assessed by an FBI explosives expert to be capable of:

 

”inflicting damage to surrounding property as well as seriously injuring persons in the vicinity of the resultant explosion.
 

And in further: 

Several officers were injured as a result of the explosion.

 

 

[ozimoron]

17 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Haven't what?

 

I asked what the device was. Do you know?

That's exactly what I'm alleging the FBI do know. Precisely they know what the device was. I don

't know and never claimed that I do know. I only ever claimed that the FBI do know because nobody sensible would consider that they didn't conduct forensic tests. They would have wanted to know if the bomb firecracker had spread any dangerous substances.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

That's exactly what I'm alleging the FBI do know. Precisely they know what the device was. I don

't know and never claimed that I do know. I only ever claimed that the FBI do know because nobody sensible would consider that they didn't conduct forensic tests. They would have wanted to know if the bomb firecracker had spread any dangerous substances.

Can you understand what this sentence says ?

 

 

 "FBI explosives expert was unable to conclusively identify the precise dimensions, charge size or whether the device was improvised or commercially manufactured."

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Can you understand what this sentence says ?

 

 

 "FBI explosives expert was unable to conclusively identify the precise dimensions, charge size or whether the device was improvised or commercially manufactured."

No sheet Sherlock? So, they don't know precisely how big is was because it went bang. They don't know who made it because it went bang as was probably simple and therefore could have been made by either. This is code for it's wasn't so complex that it could only have been made by an expert.

 

And now the biggie. Does it say they don't know the composition of the bomb? What this statement confirms is that they did conduct a forensic examination and must therefore know what the bomb was made of.

[Bkk Brian]

From the statement of facts, some pics of the explosive device detonating along with a still of him throwing it.

 

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It could have been lots of this, you know how some people obfuscate and minimize crimes.

Like calling a violent insurrection / coup attempt a tourism outing. 

[Jingthing]

Criminal Florida Man acting up to keep another criminal Florida Man in power.

[HappyExpat57]

So far, every charge of seditious conspiracy has resulted in a conviction.

 

The key takeaway is they didn't have to be present at the capital to be charged and convicted.

 

And we all know someone who MUST be charged AND convicted of the same.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Like calling a violent insurrection / coup attempt a tourism outing. 

No one has suggested that it was a tourism outing .

You are claiming it was a "coup attempt" , a Coup is when you violently overthrow the current Government .

   Donald Trump was the Government at the time and they weren't trying to "overthrow" him , so, not a coup

[ozimoron]

Isn't this when the deals happen? After conviction and before sentencing?

Edited May 5, 2023 by ozimoron

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No one has suggested that it was a tourism outing .

You are claiming it was a "coup attempt" , a Coup is when you violently overthrow the current Government .

   Donald Trump was the Government at the time and they weren't trying to "overthrow" him , so, not a coup

No one?

 

House Republican defends 'normal tourist visit' comment about Jan. 6 insurrection (yahoo.com)

 

 

Terminal literalism.

 

A self coup attempt. It's a thing. 

 

Opinion | Yes, It Was a Coup Attempt. Here’s Why. - POLITICO

Quote

 

Opinion | Yes, It Was a Coup Attempt. Here’s Why.

What Trump tried is called a “self-coup,” and he did it in slow motion and in plain sight.

 

 

 

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[HappyExpat57]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No one has suggested that it was a tourism outing .

You are claiming it was a "coup attempt" , a Coup is when you violently overthrow the current Government .

   Donald Trump was the Government at the time and they weren't trying to "overthrow" him , so, not a coup

Not true. GOP Rep. Andrew Clyde referred to it as EXACTLY that. Use the good ol' Google machine, many many results saying just that.

 

And of course, Tucker Carlson, the shamed, now-unemployed mouthpiece of that insidious entertainment show, cherry picked snippets of Jan 6 videos to put the attack in a kinder, gentler light. Even GOP leaders decried this disgusting attempt to rewrite history.

 

Sorry, Charlie, that dog don't hunt!

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No one?

 

House Republican defends 'normal tourist visit' comment about Jan. 6 insurrection (yahoo.com)

 

 

Terminal literalism.

 

A self coup attempt. It's a thing. 

 

Opinion | Yes, It Was a Coup Attempt. Here’s Why. - POLITICO

 

 

He did actually say 

"A House Republican is defending a statement he made about how some video footage of the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol looked like a “normal tourist visit.”

 

   SOME  footage , not ALL footage

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Not true. GOP Rep. Andrew Clyde referred to it as EXACTLY that. Use the good ol' Google machine, many many results saying just that.

 

And of course, Tucker Carlson, the shamed, now-unemployed mouthpiece of that insidious entertainment show, cherry picked snippets of Jan 6 videos to put the attack in a kinder, gentler light. Even GOP leaders decried this disgusting attempt to rewrite history.

 

Sorry, Charlie, that dog don't hunt!

Perhaps he just hasn't been informed of those facts up till now. That can happen to people that are in a news bubble.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

He did actually say 

"A House Republican is defending a statement he made about how some video footage of the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol looked like a “normal tourist visit.”

 

   SOME  footage , not ALL footage

Enough with the gaslighting. It's incredibly tedious.

[JustThisOnePostOnly]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It was something warranting arrest on Federal felony charges.

By the Garland Justice Department, which doesn't say a lot, when you consider the wide array of bonafide crimes available for his office to prosecute, but does not.

 

Hey, what happened to the tapes?  Why are you all hiding evidence?  If it's a big lie, then show us!

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No one has suggested that it was a tourism outing .

You are claiming it was a "coup attempt" , a Coup is when you violently overthrow the current Government .

   Donald Trump was the Government at the time and they weren't trying to "overthrow" him , so, not a coup

The courts have already handed down multiple verdicts of sedition.

 

It was an attempt to overthrow the election and thereby overthrow the transfer of power to the elected government.

 

So yes, sedition and an attempted coup.