36 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And what price do you put on freedom?

Its in the US interest as well.

Compare future worlds where Ukraine is a slave puppet state of Russia vs. one where Ukraine is a sovereign nation integrated into Europe which is what the people of Ukraine clearly want. Ukraine global breadbasket free to ship all they want on the black sea vs. having every movement dictated by mother (f) Russia. So Crimea must be Ukrainian. If Russia wins only naive fools thinks delusionally imperial Russia stops there.

Looking ahead to when this conflict ends I think that the major donors to pay for rebuilding should be other Western  countries (unless there is a way to get Russia to pay) since the USA has already financed most of the Ukrainian defense with borrowed money contributing to huge deficit at home.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Its in the US interest as well.

Compare future worlds where Ukraine is a slave puppet state of Russia vs. one where Ukraine is a sovereign nation integrated into Europe which is what the people of Ukraine clearly want. Ukraine global breadbasket free to ship all they want on the black sea vs. having every movement dictated by mother (f) Russia. So Crimea must be Ukrainian. If Russia wins only naive fools thinks delusionally imperial Russia stops there.

I totally agree..........

54 minutes ago, Searat7 said:

Looking ahead to when this conflict ends I think that the major donors to pay for rebuilding should be other Western  countries (unless there is a way to get Russia to pay) since the USA has already financed most of the Ukrainian defense with borrowed money contributing to huge deficit at home.

It would probably be some kind of pan western Marshall plan type of thing. If a big if Ukraine can definitely win and realistically that could take years the rebuilding of Ukraine will likely make it the place for non Russian global movers and shakers to be.

20 hours ago, papa al said:

Seems the US will back the Ukraine until 

their last soldier is dead.

 

Not until the last soldier.  Just until the last Russian or Wagner soldier on Ukraine territory is gone.

On 5/10/2023 at 12:43 PM, Hanaguma said:

Given that Ukraine is really not a free country, and does not have a free press, it is difficult to tell how popular he truly is.  In a war situation, people will naturally support their leader no matter what kind of person he is.  

 

But no matter what, he has no reason at all to try and negotiate a settlement. If he does, the gravy train will stop. It is growing close to $200 billion- this is more than double the yearly defence budget of Russia.  

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1100076/volodymyr-zelensky-s-approval-rating-ukraine/

 

As for the unfounded aspersons you cast on Zelensky..do you have any evidence that he's profiting from the war? Put up or...

 

On 5/10/2023 at 12:43 PM, Hanaguma said:

Given that Ukraine is really not a free country, and does not have a free press, it is difficult to tell how popular he truly is.  In a war situation, people will naturally support their leader no matter what kind of person he is.  

 

But no matter what, he has no reason at all to try and negotiate a settlement. If he does, the gravy train will stop. It is growing close to $200 billion- this is more than double the yearly defence budget of Russia.  

What Next for Ukraine’s Formerly Pro-Russian Regions?

Ironically, the regions that have borne the brunt of Russia’s invasion are those that were always most likely to vote for pro-Russian political parties...

Russia’s invasion largely put an end to this pro-Russian sentiment: by May 2022, only 4 percent in Ukraine’s east and 1 percent in the south still had a positive view of Russia. Support for Ukraine joining NATO, on the other hand, had surged to record highs: 69 percent in the east and 81 percent in the south, up from 36 percent in the east and 48 percent in the south, according to a poll taken on February 16 and 17 of this year.

https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88542

45 minutes ago, placeholder said:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1100076/volodymyr-zelensky-s-approval-rating-ukraine/

 

As for the unfounded aspersons you cast on Zelensky..do you have any evidence that he's profiting from the war? Put up or...

 

Interesting graphics. Shows that his popularity was actually DEcreasing in the years leading up to the war.  Any idea why?  

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Interesting graphics. Shows that his popularity was actually DEcreasing in the years leading up to the war.  Any idea why?  

I do but why should I care. The ukrainians are judging him on his performance now. When there was a need, he stepped up. And I don't see what Zelensky's popularity has to do with the current unpopularity of Russia in regions mostly populated by ethnic Russians.