UK government scraps plan to replace all EU laws by the end of 2023

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

As the older voters die off the young become middle aged. They see that all the lies and horror stories about Brexit never materialized. They accept the status quo. They grow wiser with experience. They see the corruption engulfing the EU.

 

Those turning legal age to vote never really experienced life in the EU. It's an argument for a previous generation. They won't really care.

 

It's over. We left. Even if the EU still exists in 20 years the UK wont be rejoining it. Marvellous.

Except the evidence is Millennials are not following the same path right as previous generations.

 

It’s very far from over.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/financial-times-millennials-conservatives-age-b2253902.html

 

[JonnyF]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Let us know when the trends change to conform to what your crystal ball has shown you. Until, then, you've got nothing.

Got nothing? We already left. I already got what I wanted.????

 

Let us know when a party is elected on a manifesto of holding a referendum to rejoin. And then get back to me again when the electorate vote to rejoin in said referendum.

 

You're as deluded as the Scots nationalists thinking Scotland will become a proud independent country as a minnow in the EU.

 

You've got nothing.

[JonnyF]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Except the evidence is Millennials are not following the same path right as previous generations.

 

It’s very far from over.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/financial-times-millennials-conservatives-age-b2253902.html

 

Polls lol. See my post above this one.

 

Deluded.

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Got nothing? We already left. I already got what I wanted.????

 

Let us know when a party is elected on a manifesto of holding a referendum to rejoin. And then get back to me again when the electorate vote to rejoin in said referendum.

 

You're as deluded as the Scots nationalists thinking Scotland will become a proud independent country as a minnow in the EU.

 

You've got nothing.

I have current evidence. Your evidence is based on your imagination.

And the 'you've got nothing" was used in relation to evidence. Your reply was utterly irrelevant.

And your reference to scotland is another irrelevancy.

In other words, you've still got nothing,.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Polls lol. See my post above this one.

 

Deluded.

Coudn't find what you referred to. But when it's a matter of a few polls you might have a point. But when virtually all polls support a trend, that's a different matter.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I have current evidence. Your evidence is based on your imagination.

And the 'you've got nothing" was used in relation to evidence. Your reply was utterly irrelevant.

And your reference to scotland is another irrelevancy.

In other words, you've still got nothing,.

I'll give you some evidence. The UK has left the EU. Your predictions on rejoining are based on your wishes and not based in reality.

 

You've got nothing.

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

I'll give you some evidence. The UK has left the EU. Your predictions on rejoining are based on your wishes and not based in reality.

 

You've got nothing.

Except actual evidence. It's you who claim you can read minds located in the future.

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Coudn't find what you referred to. But when it's a matter of a few polls you might have a point. But when virtually all polls support a trend, that's a different matter.

A few polls vs a referendum to leave and actually leaving and revoking hundreds of EU laws and signing multiple trade deals.

 

Nice poll though. It's worth nothing.

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Except actual evidence. It's you who claim you can read minds located in the future.

Let me know when we rejoin. I'll counter with a poll.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

A few polls vs a referendum to leave and actually leaving and revoking hundreds of EU laws and signing multiple trade deals.

 

Nice poll though. It's worth nothing.

Back to topic.

 

“UK government scraps plan to replace all EU laws by the end of 2023”

 

I wonder what caused the change of mind?!

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

A few polls vs a referendum to leave and actually leaving and revoking hundreds of EU laws and signing multiple trade deals.

 

Nice poll though. It's worth nothing.

A few polls? Every one of the dots on this graph is a poll:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_United_Kingdom_rejoining_the_European_Union_(2020–present)

 

CORRECTION: Divide the number of dots by 3 to get an accurate count of the polls. Still not most people's idea of "a few".

Edited May 16, 2023 by placeholder

[transam]

30 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Let us know when the trends change to conform to what your crystal ball has shown you. 

And yours........????

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Back to topic.

Wise move. When in a hole, stop digging.

 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

“UK government scraps plan to replace all EU laws by the end of 2023”

 

I wonder what caused the change of mind?!

Probably delayed 12 months due to Covid and the war in Ukraine. What's important is that the British government decided to postpone it. The British voted to leave the EU. As a result, we do what we want, when we want.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

And yours........????

I'm basing my predictions on actual current evidence. It's JonnyF who can read minds situated in the future.

[transam]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Wise move. When in a hole, stop digging.

 

Probably delayed 12 months due to Covid and the war in Ukraine. What's important is that the British government decided to postpone it. The British voted to leave the EU. As a result, we do what we want, when we want.

Well played, Sir......

[JonnyF]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

A few polls? Every one of the dots on this graph is a poll:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_United_Kingdom_rejoining_the_European_Union_(2020–present)

That's cute.

 

Let me know when you win a general election on a manifesto for a referendum followed up by a vote to rejoin.

 

I won't hold my breath.

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I'm basing my predictions on actual current evidence. It's JonnyF who can read minds situated in the future.

Current evidence is that we left. Everything else is conjecture.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Wise move. When in a hole, stop digging.

 

Probably delayed 12 months due to Covid and the war in Ukraine. What's important is that the British government decided to postpone it. The British voted to leave the EU. As a result, we do what we want, when we want.

Put your shovel down.

 

The Government have only just announced this U-Turn, there is no credible link to your ‘probably delayed 12 months’.

 

It was all on track until a week ago.

 

So what’s changed I wonder?

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I'm basing my predictions on actual current evidence. It's JonnyF who can read minds situated in the future.

"On actual current evidence"..........Riiiiiight.............

[Chomper Higgot]

We are still waiting for Brexiteers to name any one of these 4000 so called ‘EU laws’ they wish to remove and tell us why.

 

The best they have is some general non specific reference to laws, no details of what laws, no explanation of why the specific laws need to be removed.

 

No wonder the Government are binning the idea.

[placeholder]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

We are still waiting for Brexiteers to name any one of these 4000 so called ‘EU laws’ they wish to remove and tell us why.

 

The best they have is some general non specific reference to laws, no details of what laws, no explanation of why the specific laws need to be removed.

 

No wonder the Government are binning the idea.

Why don't you understand that those laws are shackles around the wrists of Brexiters that might it extremely difficult for them to note what those laws might be.

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

We are still waiting for Brexiteers to name any one of these 4000 so called ‘EU laws’ they wish to remove and tell us why.

 

The best they have is some general non specific reference to laws, no details of what laws, no explanation of why the specific laws need to be removed.

 

No wonder the Government are binning the idea.

As a brexiteer, I don't care what you want to see, because you don't like anything positive UK related, howsat..........

[JonnyF]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Put your shovel down.

 

The Government have only just announced this U-Turn, there is no credible link to your ‘probably delayed 12 months’.

 

It was all on track until a week ago.

 

So what’s changed I wonder?

 

Governments don't tend to announce things on the same day they make the decision dear.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Why don't you understand that those laws are shackles around the wrists of Brexiters that might it extremely difficult for them to note what those laws might be.

You got nothing..................

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We are still waiting for Brexiteers to name any one of these 4000 so called ‘EU laws’ they wish to remove and tell us why.

 

The best they have is some general non specific reference to laws, no details of what laws, no explanation of why the specific laws need to be removed.

 

No wonder the Government are binning the idea.

We are still waiting for you to realize that your tactic of sending people on a wild goose chase to deflect is not only boring but repetitive and predictable.

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, transam said:

You got nothing..................

That phrase can legitimately be used when someone offers no evidence but only an unbacked opinion. I've offered evidence. It's your reply, which runs contrary to that fact, that has got no substance to it.

[puchooay]

3 hours ago, mikebike said:

Your assumption if faulty at best.

That's because I didn't assume what you say I did.

[puchooay]

Here are the facts,

 

UK has left EU.

 

There have been no calls for another referendum.

 

No political parties have said they support rejoining 

 

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, puchooay said:

Here are the facts,

 

UK has left EU.

 

There have been no calls for another referendum.

 

No political parties have said they support rejoining 

 

But But But...

 

The Guardian did a poll. 

 

????

[josephbloggs]

11 minutes ago, puchooay said:

Here are the facts,

 

UK has left EU.

 

There have been no calls for another referendum.

 

No political parties have said they support rejoining 

 

Much as I think Brexit was the most ill thought out, self harming, disastrous thing that any UK government has implemented in the last 30 years, and much as I despise the fact that it was all based on a pack of lies and it has made the UK a worse place and it has stripped the rights of free movement of my children (mostly because of bigoted logic), nobody is going to stand on a platform of rejoining. Not because they don't think that leaving was a huge mistake but because we would be rejoining in an extremely weak position.

 

We had exceptional power and rights in the EU, we had the power to opt out of things we didn't like (single currency, Shengen), we had special privileges that "normal" member states did not have. We had negotiated excellent rebates. If we rejoin that tomorrow all of that is gone. Gone forever, we would NEVER have those special privileges again, we have lost our bargaining power completely. And no, they don't need us more than we need it. Add to that the ill feeling created by our ridiculous antics, by poisonous buffoons like Farage, Johnson et al.  And all member states would have to agree to have us - - I wouldn't want us back after the way we've behaved!

So campaigning on a promise to rejoin would be pointless as I don't think we even could rejoin for the next 20 years.