Military-backed senators refuse to back MFP form a government

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, Billybaroo said:

  I am not seeing when I look at the current composition of the House, how MFP can get to 360 w/o the Senate. Unless the coalition is comprised of MFP, PT and BJ for 363 members.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Thai_general_election

There are 4 other minor parties not associated with the current regime. BJT would make a 7 party coalition.

[UbonEagle]

Haven’t time to read all responses, but it’s pretty obvious the required number of senators will jump onboard to save their soon to be redundant hides…if not they can always bring anutin and his 70 odd seats into the fold if reqd tho I’m sure they’d rather not…that would be a good move for the ganga entrepreneurs who otherwise must be feeling a bit nervous 

[findlay13]

20 hours ago, PMinThailand said:

People will be on the streets again very soon!

 

If they do ,sadly it might be an excuse to bring out the tanks again

[sidneybear]

Good for these senators. They value Thailand's culture, traditions and heritage. I hope they block this progressive disease, and if they don't then others will.

[Artisi]

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Good satire.

But really need to check, the OP might just be serious ????

Although the closing part is more than likely true. 

 

Edited May 17, 2023 by Artisi

[DUNROAMIN]

A fews weeks from now Junta will take over again, Thailand looking like Mynmar.

[cncltd1973]

so now the the backroom deals are made, what will it take to get a senator to change his vote?

[Toby1947]

Who gives a toss, ain't got a brain the size of pea between them 

[bannork]

26 minutes ago, cncltd1973 said:

so now the the backroom deals are made, what will it take to get a senator to change his vote?

A conscience.

[John Drake]

3 hours ago, DUNROAMIN said:

A fews weeks from now Junta will take over again, Thailand looking like Mynmar.

These sort of comments are now in the double digits on this topic and a few others. And it is nothing but hysteria. Thailand is not Myanmar and nothing like the civil war that is occurring there will ever happen in Thailand. This is crazy talk.

[candide]

I see many posts considering the possibility of amending the constitution.

 

Just a reminder:

The first reading is to approve the principles of the constitutional amendment. It requires at least one half of the total votes in parliament (375 from both the House of Representatives and the Senate). At least one-third of the unelected senators is also required to pass the motion.

The second reading considers the constitutional amendment in details. These shall be approved by a majority vote of parliament. If the amendment is proposed by citizens, the citizens who have proposed the amendment can send a delegate to speak in the parliament.  If the motion passes the second reading, there is an interval of 15 days before the third reading begins.

The third reading also requires a majority vote of the parliament. However, that majority must also include one-third of the Senate, and 20 percent of MPs from all political parties which do not hold positions as cabinet members, Speaker of House of Representatives, or Deputy Speaker of House of Representatives.

https://prachataienglish.com/node/9086

[Jingthing]

34 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

Poor conclusion. I meant it.

Still reads like satire to me.

[Toolong]

So 250 employees of the junta finally get to earn their pieces of silver. And will forever, as Blake put it, 'forfeit fair reknown'.

[Sigma6]

3 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

If you'd like to debate something sensibly, then please go ahead without the daft name calling. This isn't a school playground. 

You believe that a senate made up of military appointed 'yes men' have Thailand's 'culture, traditions and heritage' at heart?

I don't think theres much for us to debate to be honest.

[ozz1]

These senators are going to have a lot of trouble trying to convince most of the public  after all are army and the really the only thing they are interested in is money and power and new toys not what people think let's hope they come to their senses

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, sidneybear said:

If you'd like to debate something sensibly, then please go ahead without the daft name calling. This isn't a school playground. 

At times it's more like kindergarten. 

[Andycoops]

So really the election was a complete fake and the citizens yet again are treated appallingly by the corrupt.

These people haven't a clue what trouble this is going to cause because if the people are disenfranchised yet again having overwhelmingly voted against exactly this sort of corrupt Muppetry.

They will be on the streets.

Absolutely scandalous and utter disgrace, they should be called out for what they are... excrement.

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, candide said:

I see many posts considering the possibility of amending the constitution.

 

Just a reminder:

The first reading is to approve the principles of the constitutional amendment. It requires at least one half of the total votes in parliament (375 from both the House of Representatives and the Senate). At least one-third of the unelected senators is also required to pass the motion.

The second reading considers the constitutional amendment in details. These shall be approved by a majority vote of parliament. If the amendment is proposed by citizens, the citizens who have proposed the amendment can send a delegate to speak in the parliament.  If the motion passes the second reading, there is an interval of 15 days before the third reading begins.

The third reading also requires a majority vote of the parliament. However, that majority must also include one-third of the Senate, and 20 percent of MPs from all political parties which do not hold positions as cabinet members, Speaker of House of Representatives, or Deputy Speaker of House of Representatives.

https://prachataienglish.com/node/9086

Should MFP coalition be the government, I think they will wait till the senates term expire next year before seeking an amendment. That will negate the possible impasse from the senates. 

[eisfeld]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Should MFP coalition be the government, I think they will wait till the senates term expire next year before seeking an amendment. That will negate the possible impasse from the senates. 

Why would a new term for the senate change something in that regard? If anything it's a chance for the military to get rid of any senators that didn't vote according to their wishes.

[John Drake]

55 minutes ago, Andycoops said:

So really the election was a complete fake and the citizens yet again are treated appallingly by the corrupt.

These people haven't a clue what trouble this is going to cause because if the people are disenfranchised yet again having overwhelmingly voted against exactly this sort of corrupt Muppetry.

They will be on the streets.

Absolutely scandalous and utter disgrace, they should be called out for what they are... excrement.

How long are they going to stay in the streets? Who is going to provide the support facilities for them? The toilets, the rest areas, the medics, the food providers? The red shirts had all that in 2010 and 2014. And they I think are a much hardier group of people, used to working outside and not having too many luxuries. How long before university and high school students want to go into a mall for a/c and an ice cream? Even the red shirts ended up with nothing more than a box lunch, a bus ticket back home, and 500 baht.

Edited May 17, 2023 by John Drake

[sidneybear]

2 hours ago, ozz1 said:

These senators are going to have a lot of trouble trying to convince most of the public  after all are army and the really the only thing they are interested in is money and power and new toys not what people think let's hope they come to their senses

You've just defined politicians the world over, of every political stripe. All we can do is limit the damage they cause. That's why there's a lot to be said for conservatism. The status quo really isn't that bad.

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

Why would a new term for the senate change something in that regard? If anything it's a chance for the military to get rid of any senators that didn't vote according to their wishes.

Because the senate is under the transitory provision of the Constitution and the term expiry are clearly determined. Also the Constitution provision state that the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) will select and install the senate. NCPO has been dissolved. There is no provision provided for another body to select and install the senate. Technically, there no provision to rid any senators.  

[Pink Mist]

Troll posts baiting others as well as personal attacks have been removed.  Stay on topic and remain civil.

[sidneybear]

2 minutes ago, John Drake said:

How long are they going to stay in the streets? Who is going to provide the support facilities for them? The toilets, the rest areas, the medics, the food providers? The red shirts had all that in 2010 and 2015. And they I think are a much hardier group of people, used to working outside and not having too many luxuries. How long before university and high school students want to go into a mall for a/c and an ice cream? Even the red shirts ended up with nothing more than a box lunch, a bus ticket back home, and 500 baht.

That's a good observation. The red shirts were hardy country folk, accustomed to working long hours in the sun. This lot are pallid lefty city gen Z types, many of who would melt if they stepped out of air conditioned malls for more than ten minutes. They'll also be put in their place and sent for attitude adjustment. 

[Gknrd]

6 hours ago, DUNROAMIN said:

A fews weeks from now Junta will take over again, Thailand looking like Mynmar.

If so you can kiss tourism good by for good. I doubt that will happen. A soft coup will be more like it.

[eisfeld]

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Because the senate is under the transitory provision of the Constitution and the term expiry are clearly determined. Also the Constitution provision state that the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) will select and install the senate. NCPO has been dissolved. There is no provision provided for another body to select and install the senate. Technically, there no provision to rid any senators.  

But that would mean the senate would have no members anymore and the goverment would halt to a stop because no bills can pass the senate if no one can vote. Surely that can't be the case.

[sidneybear]

7 minutes ago, Gknrd said:

If so you can kiss tourism good by for good. I doubt that will happen. A soft coup will be more like it.

Tourists always come flocking back to Thailand, whatever happens. It's a great place to visit, and always bounces back from temporary problems. Myanmar it will never be: its economy has advanced way beyond that.

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

But that would mean the senate would have no members anymore and the goverment would halt to a stop because no bills can pass the senate if no one can vote. Surely that can't be the case.

Perhaps the right time to abolish the Senate as a constitutional reform. THailand had unicameral system before. 

[Eric Loh]

17 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

That's a good observation. The red shirts were hardy country folk, accustomed to working long hours in the sun. This lot are pallid lefty city gen Z types, many of who would melt if they stepped out of air conditioned malls for more than ten minutes. They'll also be put in their place and sent for attitude adjustment. 

Apparently you not here in 2020-2021 student and youth demonstrations when numbers were 20,000-100,000 and water cannons were used. The Gen Z demonstrations were confronted by the police, stood the grounds and fought street battles. Didn't melt away as you alleged. 

[marin]

1 hour ago, sidneybear said:

This lot are pallid lefty city gen Z types, many of who would melt if they stepped out of air conditioned malls for more than ten minutes. They'll also be put in their place and sent for attitude adjustment. 

You must have missed the street protests of 2021. Thousands in the streets. More than 1000 young kids arrested and locked up for this since the protests began. Including a number of teenagers who were not yet 18. Because of democracy you have the right to an opposing view something the protesters did not. But dinosaurs will soon see the old guard is in decline and the progressives who want a life better than their parents had are looking to achieve just that. When the ruling elite only gets a quarter of the votes cast while the progressive opposition get the rest its a clear sign its time for a change.