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Saying the quiet part out loud -- would success of the Move Forward Party agenda spell the end of the Golden Age for expats in Thailand?


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Just now, Pouatchee said:

bigger fish to fry. first thing he needs to do is address the education problem. a multi-cultural environment benefits thailand. if he wishes to send his culture to the wat of the mid 1930's then he will get rid of us. we will soon see his true colors

I'm not suggesting a total purge, but I am suggesting a significant weeding out. We're not allowed to live here because of our pleasant smell. Obviously high value / special skills foreigners will alway be welcome. 

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Malaysia and Cambodia have better visas than Thailand. Malaysia also gives 90 day visa exemption vs 30 days. Cambodia is us$300 a year no hassle for over 55yos last time I looked.

 

Elite visa is good but expensive. Other ones a hassle. If anything a forward thinking party should make it better.

 

I'm finding Thailand a bit more boring these days. Or maybe I've changed.

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1 hour ago, Caldera said:

the retirement visa agent racket would be a likely target.

In Pattaya/Jomtien it is already shut down. Anyone who got one in last 6 weeks please prove me wrong.

 

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1 hour ago, bignok said:

Malaysia and Cambodia have better visas than Thailand. Malaysia also gives 90 day visa exemption vs 30 days. Cambodia is us$300 a year no hassle for over 55yos last time I looked.

 

Elite visa is good but expensive. Other ones a hassle. If anything a forward thinking party should make it better.

 

I'm finding Thailand a bit more boring these days. Or maybe I've changed.

Malaysian "MM2H" retirement visa was always very pricey by comparison, and was recently massively increased, it's upper middle class territory (surgeons, judges, etc) 

Cambodia is very unappealing from what I experienced over two visits. 

Hun Sen and his merry men are basically veteran Khmer Rouge, and make my skin crawl. 

How does mature health, geriatric, and hospice care plan out in Phnom Penh is another concern. 

Anyone retired there based on the cheap beer and bargirls is a mental midget. 

The same applies to the Phillipines, fun fact, they are so narco-paranoid there, that there are a total of five(!) chronic pain specialists, in the whole 7000+ islands!

And their access to serious opioids is close to zero. Duterte himself got his Fentanyl pain management in Singapore. 

 

In short, if you're cash strapped and elderly here and they boot you, it's going to be bleak indeed!

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30 minutes ago, Chicksaw said:

Why would the new government or any government for that matter care about a cohort of wrinkly pensioners riding bar stools to meet the Lord?

 

I am not kidding. For the elite Thais who run this place, including Pita et al, we don't exist because they never see us. Their only encounter with farangs are those like them that work out of the C-suite.

 

We just aren't important by any measure, numerically, economically or politically. So as long as we don't rock the boat by doing something stupid there's no reason for the status quo to be touched.

Again look at this from an International perspective.

As a generality when countries get more successful they tend to raise the bar for retired expats if they have such programs at all.

Try retiring in Singapore.

As mentioned the requirements for Malaysia were massively increased resulting in a huge exodus and almost no new applications.

Malaysia does have a budget loophole in Sarawak.

News is the Philippines will soon kill their famous three years before a visa run scheme and change to 90 days. That will cause a mass exodus. There are examples like this globally.

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4 hours ago, Pouatchee said:

bigger fish to fry. first thing he needs to do is address the education problem. a multi-cultural environment benefits thailand. if he wishes to send his culture to the golden age of the mid 1930's then he will get rid of us. we will soon see his true colors

It would be a question of costs rather than principle.

 

It will require no xenophobic effort on the governments part.

 

Developed society/economy = "developed" costs.

 

How many expats will be able to afford it?

 

 

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I see where you are coming from. But I don't see the question of raising the bar arising here. Yet. How many items do we read in the news along the lines, "destitute expat seen begging", "destitute expat in hospital asks help", "gang of expat drug dealers caught", and the like? Very few. There're no red flags for authorities to glare at us.

 

Which is what I mean by not rocking the boat. E.g., if increasing numbers of expats began to default on their hospital bills then that would draw scrutiny and lead possibly to tightening of regs. Exactly as they are mulling what to do with tourist health insurance given the number of tourists banging themselves up here.

 

Of course, they want multimillionaires to move here and are making up new visa categories to lure them. But I don't see they have need to come after the rest of us.

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25 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Again look at this from an International perspective.

As a generality when countries get more successful they tend to raise the bar for retired expats if they have such programs at all.

Try retiring in Singapore.

As mentioned the requirements for Malaysia were massively increased resulting in a huge exodus and almost no new applications.

Malaysia does have a budget loophole in Sarawak.

News is the Philippines will soon kill their famous three years before a visa run scheme and change to 90 days. That will cause a mass exodus. There are examples like this globally.

Yes, it will become difficult for some to continue to live, or choose to live, in Thailand.

 

See post immediately after your last post

 

 

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8 hours ago, Caldera said:

What their attitude and policies towards expats will be remains to be seen. If they're serious about anti-corruption, the retirement visa agent racket would be a likely target.

One can only hope, but doubtful, as corruption is simple too ingrained.  As stated, bigger fish to fry and a few expats (relative) skirting the law is a low priority.

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I'm more worried about the numbskulls from Pheu Thai...

 

Apart from this, higher living costs, etc., I am not worried for the next ten years. Also, there are alternatives. I'm not 'married' to Thailand, after all, and (location) change is good.

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I doubt a new government would be going after retirees directly, we are popular with Thai women for a reason.

OTOH, if the new government manages to increase the minimum wage and age pensions, that would indirectly affect retirees via the cost of living.

We will just have to wait and see, not that it particularly concerns me. If my money runs out at age 99 instead of age 105, I doubt I'll still be here anyway.

In Australia, people are having to make the choice between paying their rent, or buying food. Even forgoing female hygiene products. Thailand is a long way off from that.

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There'll be the quick'neasy fixes, largely symbolic (cancel submarine, 10% rise in minimum wage, gay marriage, fiddle with the constitution, law enforcement including on the roads ... ) and then there's the real social & cultural change stuff that will take decades (corruption, police, military, education ...).

 

As for this 'gay' (actually rather serious & sober) pensioner, the moment the gay marriage bit comes thru we'll do the deed to strengthen my position here in the event that my b/f (40 years younger than me) dies before me (which, given his driving skills, is not entirely impossible (sigh)).

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9 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

There'll be the quick'neasy fixes, largely symbolic (cancel submarine, 10% rise in minimum wage, gay marriage, fiddle with the constitution, law enforcement including on the roads ... ) and then there's the real social & cultural change stuff that will take decades (corruption, police, military, education ...).

 

As for this 'gay' (actually rather serious & sober) pensioner, the moment the gay marriage bit comes thru we'll do the deed to strengthen my position here in the event that my b/f (40 years younger than me) dies before me (which, given his driving skills, is not entirely impossible (sigh)).

Thailand is actually highly conservative, although tolerant. Getting gay marriage legally recognized is on a par with legalizing prostitution, no offense meant by the comparison.

My GF is quite a safe driver, only because I have superimposed my own defensive driving training on the pitiful standard of Thai instruction. Perhaps you might consider doing the same with your BF.

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