Cialis as an alternative to "Blood Pressure" medication(s)?

[swissie]

My first high blood pressure medication caused me dizziness. Therefore, I was swiched to "Valsartan" 80mg. But, as a unwelcome side-effect, it causes me extreme "fatigue". I am very tired and weak all day.

- I remember a time, when I would take "Cialis" regularily. It lowered my blood pressure nicely and it never made me tired/weak.

So, as "regular" blood pressure medications seem not to agree with me, could (should) I take Cialis insted on a regular basis? From a medical standpoint, what would possibly speak against it?

[Lorry]

5mg daily is a regular,  long-time medication for benign prostate hypertrophy. 

So if 5mg is enough for you,  it's probably ok.

 

I don't know whether higher doses can be taken regularly. 

[ericthai]

Best answer would be to speak to your doctor!!!

[chalawaan]

It's hard to get the real thing here without a Rx 

It's not cheap if it's real, even the generics.

Read the small print leaflet, there is sure to be dosage ranges which should not be exceed without medical supervision. 

The best thing you can do for your BP wether you are medicated or not is give up the grog, and take walks in the cool of the day, early morning is best the air cleaner and cooler.

This is not medical advice! 

PS unless you're at it every day, it's also a terrible waste of a great ED med!

[SuperSaiyan]

You could get bad eye sight after prolonged usage of daily cialis.

 

Better get Telmisartan and take a low dosage.

[save the frogs]

relying on pills is not ideal.

try to change your diet and lifestyle.

go online and do some research for things you can do yourself.

try to doctor yourself, at least partly.

 

here's a link. maybe just increasing protein intake may help. 

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2014/high-protein-for-lower-blood-pressure/

 

 

[Tom H]

No. Change the good Sartan (Sartane are really good) to another one. Plenty choices. Ask Doctor.

Amlodipin 5mg?

Or Candesartan as option within the Sartane?

 

Edited May 27, 2023 by Tom H

[Bday Prang]

3 minutes ago, Tom H said:

No. Change the good Sartan to another one. Plenty choices. Ask Doctor.

Amlodipin 5mg?

does that get you hard too ? lol

[ozimoron]

Just search how to reduce high blood pressure on You Tube. Watch several videos to get a consensus but they are mostly consistent and offer good advice about lifestyle and food.

 

I do take irbesartan and have done for 25 years because the doctor told me to do so. I'm planning to stop when I know my blood pressure is consistently low enough, if ever.

[save the frogs]

I'm getting tired of posting in health threads.

Here's my final post in a health thread EVER. 

 

Take up some Tai Chi, man  .... get that Chi flowing.

a gentle exercise no matter what your health level.

Can be done in front of the TV while watching Netflix.

Clear the sofa out of the way. 

 

Bone For Tuna. (good luck!)

 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I'm getting tired of posting in health threads.

Here's my final post in a health thread EVER. 

 

Take up some Tai Chi, man  .... get that Chi flowing.

a gentle exercise no matter what your health level.

Can be done in front of the TV while watching Netflix.

Clear the sofa out of the way. 

 

Bone For Tuna. (good luck!)

 

Good advice. Don't stop now.

[swissie]

4 hours ago, ericthai said:

Best answer would be to speak to your doctor!!!

I would like to collect different opinions from folks that may have switched to Cialis in order to control high blood pressure. Incoming results here I would present to my Doctor afterwards. This is about collecting "second hand opinions" bevorehand.
- Reversing the usual process. = First collecting information(s) from folks that have been in a simular situation, then presenting the results to your Doctor. A revolutionary approach, for sure.

Please: Only recommendations of modern medicine, adressing the problem. Esoteric recommendations and other "hokus-pokus" not welcome.

 

[swissie]

1 hour ago, Tom H said:

No. Change the good Sartan (Sartane are really good) to another one. Plenty choices. Ask Doctor.

Amlodipin 5mg?

Or Candesartan as option within the Sartane?

 

Amlodipin is out. It causerd me dizzieness".

[swissie]

A Vision: Imagine plenty of elderly Farangs, suffering from ill side-effects of regular "blood-pressure-medications" like I do. Imagine further, that Cialis lowers blood pressure and at the same time increases "virility"for elderly Farnags. A "win-win" situation, except for manufacturers of standart blood pressure medications.

Worth further investigation me thinks.

 

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, swissie said:

I would like to collect different opinions from folks that may have switched to Cialis in order to control high blood pressure. Incoming results here I would present to my Doctor afterwards. This is about collecting "second hand opinions" bevorehand.
- Reversing the usual process. = First collecting information(s) from folks that have been in a simular situation, then presenting the results to your Doctor. A revolutionary approach, for sure.

Please: Only recommendations of modern medicine, adressing the problem. Esoteric recommendations and other "hokus-pokus" not welcome.

 

ROFL, you are going to present posts from non medical trained people to your doctor?

You should get second hand opinions from a doctor.

[cdemundo]

2 hours ago, swissie said:

I would like to collect different opinions from folks that may have switched to Cialis in order to control high blood pressure. Incoming results here I would present to my Doctor afterwards. This is about collecting "second hand opinions" bevorehand.
- Reversing the usual process. = First collecting information(s) from folks that have been in a simular situation, then presenting the results to your Doctor. A revolutionary approach, for sure.

Please: Only recommendations of modern medicine, adressing the problem. Esoteric recommendations and other "hokus-pokus" not welcome.

 

Not a recommendation, just my experience.

I have been taking 5 mg/day for BPH for 3 years, no side effects that I have noticed,        I get labs done every 6 months, no problem in the labs.  Helped with my BPH symptoms.  I know nothing about Cialis for high blood pressure.

Edited May 27, 2023 by cdemundo

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, swissie said:

I would like to collect different opinions from folks that may have switched to Cialis in order to control high blood pressure. Incoming results here I would present to my Doctor afterwards. This is about collecting "second hand opinions" bevorehand.
- Reversing the usual process. = First collecting information(s) from folks that have been in a simular situation, then presenting the results to your Doctor. A revolutionary approach, for sure.

Please: Only recommendations of modern medicine, adressing the problem. Esoteric recommendations and other "hokus-pokus" not welcome.

 

Via diet and exercise, I went from 160 mg of Valsartan to zero. Very occasionally, I will take 1 or 2 days worth of Losartan, 25 mg, if my systole gets above 130.

 

Modern medications create other problems. Almost every medication in the pharmacopoeia puts a burden on the kidneys and liver. What was your last eGFR result?

Not hocus-pocus, just simple common sense. I got off my backside, retreated from prediabetic, improved my eGFR from 54 to 81. Chronic kidney disease kills about 53% of all elderly people.

Everyone can do it, perseverance is all that is needed.

[Denim]

I use cialis to lower my blood pressure. It is, after all , what it was designed to do.

I buy Graku capsules ( supposedly chinese herbal medicine for ID ) the active ingredient of which is cialis. ( Not mentioned on box but confirmed by analysis. )

 

I find that if I take half a capsule when my BP exceeds 160 it brings it back down to about 125 and the effect can last upto 4 or 5 days. No need to take it daily. So one capsule can be used every 2 or 3 weeks.

 

Amlodipine  5 mg does little or nothing to lower BP. If I up the dose to 10 mg it begins to work but with unpleasant side effects.

 

Prenolol also dramatically reduces BP but it has been discredited recently since in tests , although it reduced BP , it did not improve the chances of heart attack or stroke compare to placebo group.

 

Best natural way to reduce BP is to give up all alchohol and get regular vigorous exercise.

 

[Sheryl]

There is no research on use of Cialis for control of general hypertension, only pulmonary arterial hypertension. 

 

Studies have shown that Cialis does not significantly lower BP in people with normal BP nor in people with hypertension who are on BP meds. So unlikely it can substitute for other meds to treat hypertension. 

 

There are many different tupes of BP medication. Which have you tried so far and with what side effects?

 

Have you already tried low sodium diet, weight loss and exercise?

 

Do  you monitor your BP at home? How high is it? Readings at hospital can be misleading.

[Moonlover]

16 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I'm getting tired of posting in health threads.

Here's my final post in a health thread EVER. 

 

Take up some Tai Chi, man  .... get that Chi flowing.

a gentle exercise no matter what your health level.

Can be done in front of the TV while watching Netflix.

Clear the sofa out of the way. 

 

Bone For Tuna. (good luck!)

 

I agree with you except for one thing. Tai Chi should be a moving meditation. It is far more effective if you allow no distractions whatsoever. Switch the TV off and really get into the groove.

 

I practice Qigong, a close cousin of Tai Chi twice a day and I allow nothing to interfere my session.

 

My average BP is 132/82 and no BP medication will ever pass my lips.

[Sheryl]

I am all for meditation, do it myself and highly recommend.

 

But there is no guarantee it will prevent need for BP medication especially in the elderly.

 

Plenty of serious, regular meditators still have high BP (and many other diseases). I would agree that, on the whole, meditators are healthier on the whole than non-meditators the same age, and on average stay healthy longer, but that does not mean they don't eventually develop high BP, heart disease, cancer or anything else.  They do.

 

Meditation is very helpful and will reduce stress and alleviate symptoms  that are psychosomatic in origin. But it does not render anyone immune to natural effects of aging  nor prevent or cure all diseases.

 

High BP can be genetic or due to simple aging, fact of life. Healthy habits help a  lot but do not render anyone immune to the natural effects of aging or their genes.

 

No high BP med passed my lips either until I passed well into my 60's. But it did ultimately happen despite at that point having been a regular meditator for over 20 years. Meditation's greatest contribution in my experience is not in preventing aging, disease  and death but in helping one accept these things with some serenity.

[Plern]

I've used Enalipril 10mg for about 20 years. Works well. Lab tests are ok over years even being heavy on booze at times by a doctor's standard. Non diuretic, dirt cheap.

Edited May 28, 2023 by Plern

[save the frogs]

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

I agree with you except for one thing. Tai Chi should be a moving meditation. It is far more effective if you allow no distractions whatsoever. Switch the TV off and really get into the groove.

 

I practice Qigong, a close cousin of Tai Chi twice a day and I allow nothing to interfere my session.

 

My average BP is 132/82 and no BP medication will ever pass my lips.

I just suggested the TV because realistically most people will not make time for exercise.

But ideally no TV is better.

 

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by save the frogs

[Lacessit]

10 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

Have you already tried low sodium diet, weight loss and exercise?

 

 

I have been there, done that with weight loss and exercise. As I write, my BP is 116/62 without any meds.

I eat Vegemite ( 3.3% sodium ) on toast every morning, and add salt to taste on my food. I have half a teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate in a glass of water half an hour before going to bed.

AFAIK my sodium intake has zero effect on my blood pressure.

Is there any peer-reviewed research which links normal sodium intake to high blood pressure? I have not been able to find any.

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Lacessit
Corrected sodium content

[Moonlover]

55 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, I just suggested the TV because realistically most people will not make time for exercise.

So if you can find something you can do in front of the TV, you don't need to make extra time.

But yes, ideally no TV is better.

 

Is Qi Gong better than Tai Chi in your opinion?

 

I don't have an opinion as to which is better, Qigong or Tai Chi. I've practiced both and find that I prefer Qigong. Others, with a different mind set would prefer Tai Chi.

 

For me there are two advantages to Qigong. Firstly it can be learned on line. In fact I'm just coming to the end of a year long on line course from which I have benefitted tremendously.

 

The second (and this is where I stay on topic) is that I have learned which exercises best suit particular situations. I know which ones will help to keep my PB down and which will help me loose weight, (20kg in 1 year)

 

For each of the common ailments than man suffers from in the modern age, there is a Qigong exercise(s) to counter it. I'm not suggesting that Qigong is a panacea that can cure everything, but it can most certainly assist in the healing process. And that is being proven now both in China, where it originates and in the west.

 

Personally, I never visit a doctors office. I never have cause to and I'm 77 now. ????

 

If I've aroused any interest in anyone they might want to take a look here. https://flowingzen.com/start-here/

[save the frogs]

55 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

AFAIK my sodium intake has zero effect on my blood pressure.

Is there any peer-reviewed research which links normal sodium intake to high blood pressure? I have not been able to find any.

I just watched a health video on blood pressure and he said that the literature on sodium is conflicting.

I don't think science is clear on the effects of sodium on blood pressure. 

[save the frogs]

24 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

For each of the common ailments than man suffers from in the modern age, there is a Qigong exercise(s) to counter it. I'm not suggesting that Qigong is a panacea that can cure everything, but it can most certainly assist in the healing process. And that is being proven now both in China, where it originates and in the west.

thanks for the detailed response, although the OP may consider this spamming his thread.

 

[Moonlover]

43 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

thanks for the detailed response, although the OP may consider this spamming his thread.

 

He may well think that, which was why I specifically included blood pressure issues in both my posts. I believe, that from my point of view, it is very relevant.

 

Controlling ones blood pressure whether one uses Tai Chi or Qigong and without resorting to meds has got to be a win-win,

 

Keep the Chi flowing. ????

[Lacessit]

7 hours ago, Moonlover said:

He may well think that, which was why I specifically included blood pressure issues in both my posts. I believe, that from my point of view, it is very relevant.

 

Controlling ones blood pressure whether one uses Tai Chi or Qigong and without resorting to meds has got to be a win-win,

 

Keep the Chi flowing. ????

IMO it really does not matter what form of exercise is used, as long as it is EXERCISE. My daily routine consists of following a Youtube exercise video first thing in the morning, 30 minutes of stretching and mild cardio, 25 pushups. A 2 km walk before lunch, then another Youtube video of 20 minutes.

If I was in Thailand, I would be swimming as well, too cold in Melbourne.

[Moonlover]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

IMO it really does not matter what form of exercise is used, as long as it is EXERCISE. My daily routine consists of following a Youtube exercise video first thing in the morning, 30 minutes of stretching and mild cardio, 25 pushups. A 2 km walk before lunch, then another Youtube video of 20 minutes.

If I was in Thailand, I would be swimming as well, too cold in Melbourne.

Any exercise is better than no exercise. 'Sitting is the new smoking' as the saying goes. You have a good regime going for you there.

 

The advantage that Tai Chi/Qigong has is that, if practiced correctly they include meditation, which is well known for reducing stress and thus blood pressure. My own PB will actually go down following a Qigong session.

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Moonlover