Thaksin says he will return to Thailand in July, despite potential consequences

[zzaa09]

37 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

What a load of nonsense.

Thaksin has zero charges, zero convictions and zero sentences for either Tak Bai or the War On Drugs. Why do you think that is? His enemies have had unrestricted power for over a decade and they haven’t uttered a single word, let alone issued charges against Thaksin for anything in relation to both of these events.

 

Your count of Thaksin crimes is back to zero, so yes, we’ll need some more.

Yes....your reference to nonsense is quite diplomatic in terms.

Too many, among them are participants in the forum, portray this almost fanciful ideological display regarding contemporary Thai historical content and present affairs as well - dismissing any truer understanding of how things work here and how they've always worked here. 

[Eric Loh]

32 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Could it be because it was an army operation that Thaksin probably had no idea about and it was not under his control? 

It was the ISOC operation authorized by the Army Commander-in-chief General Prawit. By the way, Prawit has yet to apologize for the unfortunate incident. 

Edited June 3, 2023 by Eric Loh
Wrong word

[phetpeter]

What crimes you say, didn't he start the illegal killing of drug suspects, without due investigations? plus...

[billd766]

13 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

It was the ISOC operation authorized by the Army Commander-in-chief General Prawit. By the way, Prawit has yet to apologize for the unfortunate incident. 

Thank you for that information.

 

I can see why the army would want to keep that quiet.

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

So you also believe that an illegal military coup is good for the country and the people of Thailand.

Misreporting. The poster didn't say that.

[zzaa09]

In the end......

Nothing but a distraction regarding the bigger picture. 

 

 

To be expected.

[candide]

2 hours ago, jvs said:

There was certainly a burgeoning democracy under Thaksin - that’s why there was coup after coup. Thaksin was democratically elected and when he started to exert the power that democracy bestowed upon him over the military establishment they snuffed out democracy. Now, democracy is back, the military is in retreat and Thaksin is jetting home. Alls well that ends well eh?

 

I am very happy and hopeful about the new faces in politics here.

So you agree Thailand had a democratic elected government when Thaksin was in power.

So he was ultimately responsible for the Tak Bai incident and so he is to be tried for that.

And what about his war on drugs?Squeaky clean there?So that is two crimes,you need any more?

 

Well, you already got a reply about Tak bai from other posters. The reply about the war on drugs is that the full reply includes an element which cannot be discussed, and that's why the case has been buried by the yellow-green establishment.

[bannork]

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

You are correct. Thaksin was convicted by the Thai courts which are renowned for their fairness and impartiality. If ever there was a judicial system that embodied the motto “justice is blind” then it is the exemplary Thai judicial system. I for one am amazed that politicians and law students from all over the world aren’t, en mass, making devout pilgrimages to Thailand to imbibe from the font of wisdom and purity that is the Thai legal system as it exists and operates under the magnificent and inspired honestly elected military regime that currently helms the nation and garners copious amounts of love and adoration from every single Thai.

Thaksin has benefited from the Thai judicial system more than once.

He hid his shares in the names of his domestic staff for years and yet declared it was 'an honest mistake' 

Of course, people do it every day, putting investments in their driver's and maids' names for years.

Now why could that be? 

It couldn't be to manipulate stock prices, surely?.

He got off, just.

Another case where Thaksin's lawyers handed a box with lots of luvely cash under a generous lunch box to judges adjudicating one of his cases.

I believe the donors were sent down but not Thaksin of course, he distanced himself naturally.

Several civil servants are, and have served time for Thaksin's corrupt policies, loans to state banks that couldn't be guaranteed, the guaranteed 15,000 baht scheme for every tonne of rice, regardless of quality or origin. The civil servants are in the slammer but neither Thaksin nor Yingluck cares..

BTW, Jim, the title of the thread is Thaksin so it doesn't mean posters are obsessing about him, it's just that some of us realise his paternal, family politics belongs in the dustbin 

 

[Rhys]

Nice analogy to the English language learning  inside and outside of Thailand.

 

[bannork]

4 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Better late than never…no?

 

No charges against Thaksin.

No apology from Prawit.

 

Not really a winning topic for you junta lovers now, is it?

Jim, I'm a MF lover, not a junta lover. MF want to reform Thailand, as their banned predecessor, FF did 

Thaksin just wants to offer the peasants crumbs, here you are , 10,000 baht, now shut up.

He and his party are conservatives, the leaders millionaires and billionaires who want to change nothing substantial in Thailand, the red shirts, just peasants to be bought off with thrown bones.

Jatupon left when the idiot finally realised the soul of Thaksin is a merchant, not a democrat.

Many others will follow, Nattawut, Chaturon Chaisaeng, etc when they finally see Pheua Thai is all and only about Thaksin 

[MrMojoRisin]

10 minutes ago, bannork said:

Thaksin has benefited from the Thai judicial system more than once.

He hid his shares in the names of his domestic staff for years and yet declared it was 'an honest mistake' 

Of course, people do it every day, putting investments in their driver's and maids' names for years.

Now why could that be? 

It couldn't be to manipulate stock prices, surely?.

He got off, just.

Another case where Thaksin's lawyers handed a box with lots of luvely cash under a generous lunch box to judges adjudicating one of his cases.

I believe the donors were sent down but not Thaksin of course, he distanced himself naturally.

Several civil servants are, and have served time for Thaksin's corrupt policies, loans to state banks that couldn't be guaranteed, the guaranteed 15,000 baht scheme for every tonne of rice, regardless of quality or origin. The civil servants are in the slammer but neither Thaksin nor Yingluck cares..

BTW, Jim, the title of the thread is Thaksin so it doesn't mean posters are obsessing about him, it's just that some of us realise his paternal, family politics belongs in the dustbin 

 

What’s your point here? Seems to be a bunch of nonsense, at best a molehill that looks ridiculously insignificant when juxtaposed with the mountain that is Prawit’s multi million dollar watch collection and Prayuth’s 600 million baht land plot sale.

[bannork]

6 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

What’s your point here? Seems to be a bunch of nonsense, at best a molehill that looks ridiculously insignificant when juxtaposed with the mountain that is Prawit’s multi million dollar watch collection and Prayuth’s 600 million baht land plot sale.

Indictment of Thaksin for hiding his wealth
Edit
Thailand's National Counter Corruption Commission (NCCC) submitted an indictment to the Constitutional Court accusing Thaksin Shinawatra, the prime minister-in-waiting at the time, for failing to disclose assets worth about 2.37 billion baht ($56 million) while he was deputy prime minister in 1997 and a year afterward.[49] If found guilty, Thaksin could be banned from political office for five years. This case is known as the "stock hiding case" because the Constitution prohibits politicians and their spouses from holding shares in private companies as per the law. However, Thaksin transferred the shares he owned to his domestic staff and other nominees in order to conceal his ownership.[50

[bannork]

12 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

What’s your point here? Seems to be a bunch of nonsense, at best a molehill that looks ridiculously insignificant when juxtaposed with the mountain that is Prawit’s multi million dollar watch collection and Prayuth’s 600 million baht land plot sale.

Put the lawyers in the slammer, not me!

https://mgronline.com/general/detail/9510000075620

[billd766]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

Misreporting. The poster didn't say that.

Did I claim that he did?

 

What don't you understand about people's opinions?

[MrMojoRisin]

13 minutes ago, bannork said:

Indictment of Thaksin for hiding his wealth
Edit
Thailand's National Counter Corruption Commission (NCCC) submitted an indictment to the Constitutional Court accusing Thaksin Shinawatra, the prime minister-in-waiting at the time, for failing to disclose assets worth about 2.37 billion baht ($56 million) while he was deputy prime minister in 1997 and a year afterward.[49] If found guilty, Thaksin could be banned from political office for five years. This case is known as the "stock hiding case" because the Constitution prohibits politicians and their spouses from holding shares in private companies as per the law. However, Thaksin transferred the shares he owned to his domestic staff and other nominees in order to conceal his ownership.[50

Kinda seems like old news there buddy. How did the case conclude?

(hint: acquittal)

[MrMojoRisin]

9 minutes ago, bannork said:

Put the lawyers in the slammer, not me!

https://mgronline.com/general/detail/9510000075620

Again, no charges against Thaksin. Your on quite a streak here….so far, 100% wrong.

????????????

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

Misreporting. The poster didn't say that.

It’s clearly a question.

So it appears you should now report yourself for misreporting.

[bannork]

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Again, no charges against Thaksin. Your on quite a streak here….so far, 100% wrong.

????????????

Yes, the lawyers working for Thaksin were sent down. The mastermind got away.

[MrMojoRisin]

4 minutes ago, bannork said:

Yes, the lawyers working for Thaksin were sent down. The mastermind got away.

Innocent until proven guilty - not a tenet you adhere to?

[bannork]

10 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Kinda seems like old news there buddy. How did the case conclude?

(hint: acquittal)

Hint: hid 2.37 billion baht in servants' names!

Dwarfs Pravit's watches 

 

 

[pacovl46]

12 hours ago, Reigntax said:

His crime was being too popular and affecting the income of the military.

just like the numerous PM’s overthrown before him.

Nah, mate! He literally played a game of thrones and that’s not a battle he could’ve won. Just goes to show how megalomaniacal he really is! 

[pacovl46]

15 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Innocent until proven guilty - not a tenet you adhere to?

He was proven guilty and hence got the ten years!

[MrMojoRisin]

15 minutes ago, bannork said:

Hint: hid 2.37 billion baht in servants' names!

Dwarfs Pravit's watches 

 

 

acquitted; past participle: acquitted

1. 1. 

   free (someone) from a criminal charge by a verdict of not guilty.

   "she was acquitted on all counts"

[MrMojoRisin]

4 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

He was proven guilty and hence got the ten years!

Let’s see how that holds up in a retrial under a neutral judge once Pita is PM and Move Forward is the government.

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[zzaa09]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Again, no charges against Thaksin. Your on quite a streak here….so far, 100% wrong.

????????????

Indeed.

One would be hard pressed to find any real evidence of legitimate criminal charges against the old boy - yet, many still attempt to. 

[Roadman]

On 6/3/2023 at 2:02 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

I don't know what is end game is. But his constant attitude is that he hates it to be ignored.

Now people talk about Move Forward and not about him. That is obviously something he can't accept.

So what does he do? Go to the press with some crazy statement which he will know they will pick up. And he has another 15 minutes of fame.

It must be sad to be so desperate for attention. 

You are on to it. Not just him but he sees the threat of Move Forward overtaking the Pheu Thai permanently removing his corrupt mafia family hold on another term of milking Thailand coffers. 

[candide]

6 hours ago, bannork said:

Indictment of Thaksin for hiding his wealth
Edit
Thailand's National Counter Corruption Commission (NCCC) submitted an indictment to the Constitutional Court accusing Thaksin Shinawatra, the prime minister-in-waiting at the time, for failing to disclose assets worth about 2.37 billion baht ($56 million) while he was deputy prime minister in 1997 and a year afterward.[49] If found guilty, Thaksin could be banned from political office for five years. This case is known as the "stock hiding case" because the Constitution prohibits politicians and their spouses from holding shares in private companies as per the law. However, Thaksin transferred the shares he owned to his domestic staff and other nominees in order to conceal his ownership.[50

Thaksin was a crook, we know that.

 

However, he wasn't more crooked than the others by Thai standards, and it's not the reason why he was ousted. He was ousted because he threatened the dominance of the (just as crooked, if not more) yellow-green network.

 

The main merit I attribute to Thaksin is that he opened the Pandora's box of democracy. He has shown average people that their vote counted. He has shown the citizen that they had power. He told them that the bureaucracy was paid by their taxes, and that they should be at the service of the people, and not the opposite (the bureaucracy never forgave him for telling this).

Actually, there probably could not have been a MF victory now, if Thaksin had not opened the Pandora's box before.

Edited June 3, 2023 by candide

[bannork]

4 hours ago, candide said:

Thaksin was a crook, we know that.

 

However, he wasn't more crooked than the others by Thai standards, and it's not the reason why he was ousted. He was ousted because he threatened the dominance of the (just as crooked, if not more) yellow-green network.

 

The main merit I attribute to Thaksin is that he opened the Pandora's box of democracy. He has shown average people that their vote counted. He has shown the citizen that they had power. He told them that the bureaucracy was paid by their taxes, and that they should be at the service of the people, and not the opposite (the bureaucracy never forgave him for telling this).

Actually, there probably could not have been a MF victory now, if Thaksin had not opened the Pandora's box before.

It is true that he was the first politician to make nationwide policies the core of his campaigns, the 30 baht health scheme being the best example. He had a great chance after his victory in 2001 ( if I remember the year right) to install reformers in his government but he didn't, rather rich industrialists, powerful clans took all the important posts, and then the corruption began in order to benefit his companies and associates by simply changing the laws rather than the old method of money under the table.

He muzzled the press, state media, newspapers were given no state advertising if they criticised Thaksin, he sued anyone who disparaged him, his arrogance knew no bounds, apologies were something he didn't do.

He may have inadvertently helped FF become popular by making policy key to a party's image but their rise and subsequently MF's, I believe is due to their vision and passion for real reform.

Everyone knows PT is owned by one man and once he dies the party's over, pun intended.

[Pink Mist]

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[bannork]

11 hours ago, bannork said:

Jim, I'm a MF lover, not a junta lover. MF want to reform Thailand, as their banned predecessor, FF did 

Thaksin just wants to offer the peasants crumbs, here you are , 10,000 baht, now shut up.

He and his party are conservatives, the leaders millionaires and billionaires who want to change nothing substantial in Thailand, the red shirts, just peasants to be bought off with thrown bones.

Jatupon left when the idiot finally realised the soul of Thaksin is a merchant, not a democrat.

Many others will follow, Nattawut, Chaturon Chaisaeng, etc when they finally see Pheua Thai is all and only about Thaksin 

Sutichai Yoon mentioned Chaturon Chaisaeng in his Sunday morning show on This PBS today.

Chaturon, forced to flee to the jungle after the 1976 massacre of students at Thammasart, stressed how PT and MF must stick together come what may. Disputes about House Speaker, etc can all be resolved behind closed doors. If PT doesn't stick with MF, then the old regime still has a chance of power.

One panelist mentioned how even if M F cannot have Pita as PM, they still hold the majority of seats, if PT stick with them and the coalition, then surely they will be the government, a position they never expected to be in prior the election.

But would enough senators vote for one of the PT PM candidates?

Appointed by Prayuth, most are old enemies of Thaksin.

And how will a firm coalition of MF, PT benefit Thaksin?

His return is very low on any of the priorities of MF and other parties barring PT.