In reality, Thailand is not the LGBTQ+ paradise like it pretends to be

[Jingthing]

16 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

There's no compunction to get married. It's about equality of rights.

Yes, never required. Just the exact same options under the law.

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I think it will always be needed. You can change laws but you can't force people to not be homophobic.

That surely should not be desired, forcing people to behave or think particular ways. 

[KhunLA]

38 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

As far as I know it's not really a thing. Someone probably thought it up for a bit of fun. A bit like pantomime. In other words I don't think there is some international network of drag story tellers. It probably happened a few times and the media got onto it. Is there an example of it happening and a child was lead astray after story time, following a path of boiled lollies or something, into the lair of a drag queen. Not that I have heard of. Don't believe the hype. Its a big nothing. 

Not TH, but apparently it's a thing in USA, at libraries ... or so I read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_Queen_Story_Hour

 

Only thing I have against kids attending such things, they are very impressionable, and may like the attention the 'performers, speakers' get, and think it would be fun ... until it isn't.   Could mess with someone's head in years to follow.

[Jingthing]

46 minutes ago, proton said:

Tell me this, why do these LGBT transvestite story tellers only target little kiddies to entertain? you never hear about them going into mental hospitals, or old people homes, it's always impressionable vulnerable children they want sitting on their knees.

The old homos are pedos canard directly comparable to antisemitic blood libel.

The fascists have really gone big time on this hysteria -- suggesting Pride flags are grooming and 1000 other things they call grooming that are not grooming.

[Jingthing]

55 minutes ago, proton said:

Apart from marriage what civil rights?

I will not repeat just for you.

[KhunLA]

19 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

in Thailand the law is a bit different, and you can't register as a couple, and if so you go to a lawyer as we did, but still it is not been seen as a relationship for the Thai law.. 

But would still be legally binding in a civil court, depending what is actually in your 'documents'.

 

In TH, except for private hospital offered from employment, everyone is already, if wanting, on the universal healthcare plan, so not like one needs you partner's health bennies.   Along with Soc Sec, the pittance that is given in TH, wouldn't be missed if you didn't even get your own.

 

Are there really that many rights that come with marriage, especially in TH. 

 

Any other rights, employment, education, whether on the books or not, are easily ignored, unless you filed a suit for discrimination, and that's worldwide.

[roquefort]

3 hours ago, FruitPudding said:

Having an entire month dedicated to you worldwide is often a sign of oppression. ????

Or obsession.

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

That surely should not be desired, forcing people to behave or think particular ways. 

That's way too broad a statement.

I would love for Russians to be forced to exit all occupied Ukrainian lands but I could give a toss what they think about it.

[tgw]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The Thai LGBTQ civil rights movement is now working hard to bring about equality.

not a laudable goal.

equality in civil rights, yes.

equality in opportunities for education, employment, etc. yes.

equality for equality's sake, no.

LGBTQ need a fair position in society with equality of rights and opportunities, all while recognizing differences.

pretending members of one biological gender are a full equivalent of a member of another gender is detrimental.

[FruitPudding]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

It varies country by country. 

The stated goals of Thai LGBT activists were seen in pride parade here.

 

Marriage equality 

Right to change gender on IDs

 

Thai ID cards do not state the gender; they state the sex of the person.

 

You can be any gender you feel like, but your sex will always be your sex: male or female.

 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Legalization of prostitution 

Prostitution and the LGBTQ community?

 

Why is this even a thing? What percentage of the LGBTQ community are prostitutes?

 

Sex work is the outcome of lack of education and lack of basic social security.

 

You've got a huge number of people in Thailand that are not educated enough to earn more than minimum wage and they have to take care of their elderly parents and children, so they turn to prostitution as their only way to make good money.

 

It should not be considered "work" or legalized. It's exploitation.

 

Thai people need better education and social security, so people are not in a position where they end up exploited.

 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Better access to LGBT relevant health care

You mean, like, affirmation medicine and surgery?

 

I'd call this cosmetic.

 

 

[JonnyF]

What is LGBT "paradise" anyway?

 

Somewhere where children under 16 can have body parts removed because they think they might like to be the opposite gender?

 

Somewhere where people are arrested/pilloried for using the pronoun for someone's biological sex because the individual they are referring to wishes to be another gender?

 

Somewhere where men can wear a dress and then use the women's toilets/changing rooms? Or go to women's prisons?

 

Somewhere where we have pride days every week/month so the LBGT community can flaunt their sexuality by dancing erotically while half naked in the streets?

 

Because if that's "paradise", maybe Thailand is better off as it is?

[huangnon]

1 hour ago, NorthernRyland said:

The average LGBTQ person doesn't want to be celebrated for just existing (same as anyone else). It's the political class who is shoving this down peoples throats because they know it pisses people off and causes division in society (divide and conquer). 

 

Fight and die and battle? You get 1 day per year to be celebrated for your valor.  

 

Have anal sex or did you remove your penis and get breast implants? That's ONE MONTH of celebration and fortune 500 companies change their logo to rainbows to honor your courage in the face of ultimate adversity.

Exactly. It's just another attempt to mandate so-called diversity to atomize our society and create even more division.

[Jingthing]

Just now, FruitPudding said:

 

Thai ID cards do not state the gender; they state the sex of the person.

 

You can be any gender you feel like, but your sex will always be your sex: male of female.

 

Prostitution and the LGBTQ community?

 

Why is this even a thing? What percentage of the LGBTQ community are prostitutes?

 

Sex work is the outcome of lack of education and lack of basic social security.

 

You've got a huge number of people in Thailand that are not educated enough to earn more than minimum wage and they have to take care of their elderly parents and children, so they turn to prostitution as their only way to make good money.

 

It should not be considered "work" or legalized. 

 

Thai people need better education and social security, so people are not in a position where they end up exploited.

 

You mean, like, affirmation medicine and surgery?

 

 

Don't play games.

Sex/gender is the same thing on ID cards.

Just how disingenuous are you willing to go?
You're wasting people's time with such idiocy.

You know exactly what this is about.

It's about transgender people being allowed to change their government IDs.

Yes of course they should.

 

Sex work legalization of course is about everyone and most sex workers are cisgender straight women.

But perhaps sadly depending on your POV, yes a lot of transgender Thais are sex workers along with the usual rent boys. I doubt rent a lesbian is a big thing, but why not?

Why legalize?

You'd have to ask the Thais but I reckon a lot has to do with getting more respect as workers and getting into the social security system, etc.

I am not currently working as a prostitute in Thailand so I'm no expert on this.

 

Medical care covers a lot of things. LGBT people have medical needs that other groups don't. I am not an expert on if they are often treated with disrespect as they often are in the west, but if I had to guess, I would guess that's an issue here too. 

[KhunLA]

6 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

 

Thai ID cards do not state the gender; they state the sex of the person.

 

You can be any gender you feel like, but your sex will always be your sex: male or female.

 

Prostitution and the LGBTQ community?

 

Why is this even a thing? What percentage of the LGBTQ community are prostitutes?

 

Sex work is the outcome of lack of education and lack of basic social security.

 

You've got a huge number of people in Thailand that are not educated enough to earn more than minimum wage and they have to take care of their elderly parents and children, so they turn to prostitution as their only way to make good money.

 

It should not be considered "work" or legalized. 

 

Thai people need better education and social security, so people are not in a position where they end up exploited.

 

You mean, like, affirmation medicine and surgery?

Good luck matching the income of a high end prostitute, even with a university degree.

 

If I had only known just out of HS, at 18 yrs old ????

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

I hope you were not referring to my post.

 

As there was nothing homophobic in there whatsoever, and I believe it is against forum rules to insult other posters with unsubtantiated claims. 

There certainly was. 

[giddyup]

59 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

Tolerated id not the same as accepted

Define accepted. Or here's an easier question. How are gays not accepted in Thailand?

[JonnyF]

Just now, Jingthing said:

There certainly was. 

Which part was homophobic?

[Jingthing]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Which part was homophobic?

Almost all of it. This discussion is over. 

[scottiejohn]

Just now, JonnyF said:

I hope you were not referring to my post.

 

As there was nothing homophobic in there whatsoever, and I believe it is against forum rules to insult other posters with unsubtantiated claims. 

I was about to make a similar comment.

I would say your comment is a correctly strong statement against the WOKE hijacking of  lots of subjects!

[JonnyF]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Almost all of it. This discussion is over. 

I see.

 

You cannot pinpoint a single homophobic statement in there.

 

You've got nothing. 

[scottiejohn]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Which part was homophobic?

None!

[Jingthing]

Just now, scottiejohn said:

I was about to make a similar comment.

I would say your comment is a correctly strong statement against the WOKE hijacking of  lots of subjects!

There's that fake woke that users can't define again. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, JonnyF said:

I see.

 

You cannot pinpoint a single homophobic statement in there.

 

You've got nothing. 

Almost all. No need to pinpoint. 

[proton]

35 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I will not repeat just for you.

Go on you know you want to????

[scottiejohn]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I see.

 

You cannot pinpoint a single homophobic statement in there.

 

You've got nothing. 

The Woke brigade, no matter their persuasions, are very sensitive people and must never be upset!

They are always correct, we never are according to them!

 

 

 

 

 

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

I was about to make a similar comment.

I would say your comment is a correctly strong statement against the WOKE hijacking of  lots of subjects!

When they've got nothing they just throw out insults that they cannot back up when challenged. 

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Almost all. No need to pinpoint. 

Almost all. Yet you can't name one. 

 

Interesting. It's almost as if you've got nothing.

[mrfill]

4 hours ago, bignok said:

Gay marriage is not allowed in Thailand. 

But you just said it was miles ahead of the west. Marriage or civil partnerships are fairly common in the west.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You know, it's one thing posting homophobic rants.

It's another level posting homophobic rants and then denying it.

And quite another labeling something as homophobic and then being unable to define one single thing that was homophobic.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Baht Simpson said:

Thank you. You've demonstrated exactly why Pride is still needed. Hard - earned equality can be lost with views like these.

"equality", that stupid word again.

 

Why is it so difficult to understand for some people that chromosome xy is not chromosome xx?

Obviously some people can pretend to be the opposite of what they are. But that doesn't mean that is reality.

As far as I am concerned you can identify as anything you want. But please don't try to tell children that your world view is correct. It's your view. You can think the world is flat or it is a globe. But please don't tell children the world is flat.