BREAKING NEWS: Burisma executive who allegedly paid Biden has audio recordings of conversations with Joe, Hunter, Sen. says

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

How does the justice department under William Barr not pursuing this allegation about Joe Biden mean your assertion is correct?

Quit making things up. I did not say the justice department pursued it. 

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, proton said:

You don't need to smear him, the facts speak for themselves, he's as corrupt as they come, allegedly.???? Luckily he will not recall the events and what happened to the cash.

You should go and acquaint yourself with the meaning of the word "allegedly".

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

In other words all you've got is a claim that has already been vetted by the FBI special team created by William Barr and not pursued any further. You've got virtually nothing.

I haven't "GOT" anything.  Not claiming to either. Just speculation. As I said, let's wait until the evidence comes, if there is any.  

[placeholder]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Quit making things up. I did not say the justice department pursued it. 

Then on what basis are you claiming that you were right?

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

I haven't "GOT" anything.  Not claiming to either. Just speculation. As I said, let's wait until the evidence comes, if there is any.  

In other words, a sleazy way of tarring someone baselessly.

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

In other words, a sleazy way of tarring someone baselessly.

Like that never happens around here.... besides, Biden is ridiculously easy to tar. Almost feel guilty doing it. 

 

Almost. 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Then on what basis are you claiming that you were right?

For one, based on you having agreed with me. Now you seem to be back-peddling,

 

I what basis are you (apparently) claiming I'm wrong? 

[billd766]

5 minutes ago, proton said:

You don't need to smear him, the facts speak for themselves, he's as corrupt as they come, allegedly.???? Luckily he will not recall the events and what happened to the cash.

As I have repeatedly posted to @SunnyinBangrak, where is your proof?

 

quote from your post.

 

he's as corrupt as they come, allegedly.

 

I have underlined and emboldened only 1 word, copying it unchanged from your post.

 

If you have the proof, then send it to the FBI, DoJ, the GOP investigators who in 4 years cannot find the proof, send it to ALL the social media sites you can find, plus the MSM and not forgetting ANN and the posters here.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Like that never happens around here.... besides, Biden is ridiculously easy to tar. Almost feel guilty doing it. 

 

Almost. 

Trump could manage it.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

30 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Remember, fifty FBI agents swore Hunter's laptop was disinformation and then candidate Biden quoted them in the debate, 

Either your memory is failing, or your attention to accuracy is...

 

There were no "fifty FBI agents."

 

There was a group of former federal intelligence officials, including multiple ones from the Trump admin, who correctly said in a public letter that the election season claims involving Hunter Biden back in 2020 had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”

 

The list was composed mostly of former CIA and NSA types, and few if any former FBI folks (none that I can find), relative to the false claim of your post above.

 

And, they didn't claim they knew for a fact or had proof the laptop disclosures were Russian disinformation. They said the disclosures had "the classic earmarks" of Russian disinfo, which they did.

 

From their letter at the time:

 

"“We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement,” the letter reads. But, it continues, “there are a number of factors that make us suspicious of Russian involvement.”

 

POLITICO thus explained the reasons for the suspicion of Russian involvement at that time:

 

"But the release of the material...has drawn comparisons to 2016, when Russian hackers dumped troves of emails from Democrats onto the internet — producing few damaging revelations but fueling accusations of corruption by Trump."

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

 

 

 

Edited June 13, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[ballpoint]

As per my previous post, I'll wait till incontrovertible proof of this, so far whistle in the dark, comes out before condemning the man, but should it do so then I will condemn him.  However, wouldn't it be funny if the two main candidates for next year's presidential election are running their campaigns from the same prison cell?

 

[placeholder]

20 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

For one, based on you having agreed with me. Now you seem to be back-peddling,

 

I what basis are you (apparently) claiming I'm wrong? 

I've already told you. William Barr set up a special unit of the Justice Dept to vet all info that come from Ukraine. You think Barr and Co. wouldn't have investigated it already?

[SunnyinBangrak]

19 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Either your memory is failing, or your attention to accuracy is...

 

There were no "fifty FBI agents."

 

There was a group of former federal intelligence officials, including multiple ones from the Trump admin, who correctly said in a public letter that the election season claims involving Hunter Biden back in 2020 had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”

 

The list was composed mostly of former CIA and NSA types, and few if any former FBI folks (none that I can find), relative to the false claim of your post above.

 

And, they didn't claim they knew for a fact or had proof the laptop disclosures were Russian disinformation. They said the disclosures had "the classic earmarks" of Russian disinfo, which they did.

 

From their letter at the time:

 

"“We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement,” the letter reads. But, it continues, “there are a number of factors that make us suspicious of Russian involvement.”

 

POLITICO thus explained the reasons for the suspicion of Russian involvement at that time:

 

"But the release of the material...has drawn comparisons to 2016, when Russian hackers dumped troves of emails from Democrats onto the internet — producing few damaging revelations but fueling accusations of corruption by Trump."

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

 

 

 

Totally false. The letter you refer to was not an authentic document, it was cooked up by the biden team. Please stop inferring that this was legitimate. All 51 totally and forever trashed their reputations with this hoax they knew had no basis in fact o dismiss evidence of bidens corruption as being "russian disinformation".

 

"Former CIA Deputy Director Michael Morrell testified before the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees, and revealed that Blinken was "the impetus" of the public statement signed in October 2020 that implied the laptop belonging to Hunter Biden was disinformation."

http://judiciary.house.gov/media/in-the-news/biden-campaign-blinken-orchestrated-intel-letter-discredit-hunter-biden-laptop

 

Just so dishonest, and look at the mess it's causing.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Just so dishonest, and look at the mess it's causing.

Your link ties to another Fox news report... predictably...

 

The letter was legitimate and was voluntarily signed by all those who signed it, including multiple former officials from the Trump admin.

 

Regardless of whether a Biden campaign official at the time had any role in the origins of the letter.

 

 

 

[2baht]

4 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Fox News is notorious for this. 

Gutter press!

[onthedarkside]

Inflammatory troll post reported/removed along with an off topic photo

[Lacessit]

Chuck Grassley channeling Joe McCarthy is confirmation of Santayana's aphorism, those who forget history are bound to repeat it.

His credibility rests on producing the tapes, which has not been done so far..

Bill Barr tried his best to go after Biden at Trump's behest, and came up empty-handed.

 

Only in America would it be possible for a convicted felon to assume the Presidency.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

So, Hunter is a grifter? I thought the laptop was Russian disinformation, no?

I don't recall ever saying that.  If I remember correctly, the FBI said it bore the earmarks of Russian disinformation, and I have no reason to doubt them.  Also, after all this time, I have no reason to believe that there was anything to incriminate President Biden on the laptop.  If there had it would have been acted upon by now.

 

Of course the right likes to take hyperbole to the point of outright lying.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Good for him. But while he was VP he may have been thinking about his future as a retired politician.   A quick five mil from some eastern European oligarch may have been tempting. Still, all speculation until the evidence comes. If it comes...

"Still, all speculation until the evidence comes. If it comes exists..."

 

With that small change I agree with the statement.

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"Still, all speculation until the evidence comes. If it comes exists..."

 

With that small change I agree with the statement.

Fair enough. Seeing is believing. 

[placeholder]

29 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Totally false. The letter you refer to was not an authentic document, it was cooked up by the biden team. Please stop inferring that this was legitimate. All 51 totally and forever trashed their reputations with this hoax they knew had no basis in fact o dismiss evidence of bidens corruption as being "russian disinformation".

 

"Former CIA Deputy Director Michael Morrell testified before the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees, and revealed that Blinken was "the impetus" of the public statement signed in October 2020 that implied the laptop belonging to Hunter Biden was disinformation."

http://judiciary.house.gov/media/in-the-news/biden-campaign-blinken-orchestrated-intel-letter-discredit-hunter-biden-laptop

 

Just so dishonest, and look at the mess it's causing.

 

You keep on repeating the same nonsense over and over again. You claim that the people who signed the document actually knew that the Hunter Biden laptop was genuine when they  signed this? A laptop that suddenly  emerged at the end of a campaign. As reported by the NY Post which did virtually no investigation of the story before publishing it. And those in possession of the data refused to release the metadata which could have confirmed it. What don't you understand about the word "disinformation'? It applies to intentional misinformation. Clearly not the case here.

And every time you try to foist this nonsense, I'll be there to point out its essential falseness.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

More BS. The left has some evidence as well, it's mostly phony, but they have some.

 

Remember, fifty FBI agents swore Hunter's laptop was disinformation and then candidate Biden quoted them in the debate, 

 

Are you kidding? The January 6 committee has produced a lot of evidences: testimonies under oath by Republican officials from the Trump administration, text messages, documents,  recordings (such as Trumps "perfect call" to Georgia).

The fake GOP committee has only produced unsubstantiated allegations. We are still waiting for evidence.

[candide]

2 hours ago, candide said:

Why not introduce a few facts, for a change?

Thanks to the excellent timeline provided by Just Security, it may be noticed that:

- Hunter was recruited before the investigation into Burisma was opened

- before Shokin was appointed, as well as during his office, the Obama administration has been continuously complaining about Ukraine's prosecutor's burying the Burisma case instead of investigating it.

 

April 2014 – Hunter Biden joins Ukrainian firm Burisma

Aug. 5, 2014 – Ukraine investigation of Burisma

Ukrainian Prosecutor General Vitaly Yarema opens an investigation of Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevskiy on suspicion of “unlawful enrichment.”

Feb. 3, 2015 — Obama administration conveys harsh criticism of Ukraine Prosecutor General’s Office for its coverup of Zlochevskiy/Burisma

Kent, who had long pushed Ukrainian prosecutors for investigations into Zlochevskiy, “scolded” the deputy prosecutor for having “shut the criminal case”

Feb. 10, 2015  – Viktor Shokin takes office as Ukraine’s prosecutor general, replacing Yarema.

Sept. 24, 2015 – U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt excoriates officials in the Prosecutor General’s Office for stymying anti-corruption investigations, including those involving Burisma

Quote from his speech:

"For example, in the case of former Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevskiy, the U.K. authorities had seized 23 million dollars in illicit assets that belonged to the Ukrainian people. Officials at the PGO’s office were asked by the U.K to send documents supporting the seizure.

Instead they sent letters to Zlochevskiy’s attorneys attesting that there was no case against him. As a result, the money was freed by the U.K. court and shortly thereafter the money was moved to Cyprus."

Dec. 8, 2015 – Vice President Biden makes a speech to Ukraine’s Parliament urging the country to step up anti-corruption measures.

Feb. 16, 2016 – Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin resigns, then returns to office before finally being ousted

 

Plenty of details and other facts here:

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Good for him. But while he was VP he may have been thinking about his future as a retired politician.   A quick five mil from some eastern European oligarch may have been tempting. Still, all speculation until the evidence comes. If it comes...

A quick five mil for what? Incite Ukraine to stop burying the Burisma investigation? It doesn't make sense at all.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Further:

 

https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=5150

 

Judiciary Committee Democrats Respond to Baseless Claims about Secretary Blinken

Washington, April 21, 2023

"From a Judiciary Committee Spokesman:
 

 "To be clear, no part of that interview demonstrates that Tony Blinken or any other Biden campaign official asked Mike Morell to write a letter about Hunter Biden’s laptop.

...

"At no point during his interview did Mr. Morell testify that Secretary Blinken directed or asked him to write any letters.  Instead, Mr. Morell testified that Mr. Blinken sought his advice, as many others have.   In response to questions posed by Chairman Jordan’s own lawyers, he testified that Mr. Blinken did not “direct, suggest, or insinuate in any way” that he should write a letter about Hunter Biden’s laptop."

 

Edited June 13, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[SunnyinBangrak]

27 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Further:

 

https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=5150

 

Judiciary Committee Democrats Respond to Baseless Claims about Secretary Blinken

Washington, April 21, 2023

"From a Judiciary Committee Spokesman:
 

 "To be clear, no part of that interview demonstrates that Tony Blinken or any other Biden campaign official asked Mike Morell to write a letter about Hunter Biden’s laptop.

...

"At no point during his interview did Mr. Morell testify that Secretary Blinken directed or asked him to write any letters.  Instead, Mr. Morell testified that Mr. Blinken sought his advice, as many others have.   In response to questions posed by Chairman Jordan’s own lawyers, he testified that Mr. Blinken did not “direct, suggest, or insinuate in any way” that he should write a letter about Hunter Biden’s laptop."

 

So why did John Brennan admit that it WAS political? This will have been very hard for him to admit to.

 

"Ex-CIA chief admitted that the 'Dirty 51' letter 'WAS political' as agency conspired with Biden campaign to produce it and falsely claim emails on Hunter Biden's laptop were Russian disinformation"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12085077/Ex-CIA-chief-admitted-Dirty-51-letter-political.html

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So why did John Brennan admit that it WAS political? This will have been very hard for him to admit to.

 

"Ex-CIA chief admitted that the 'Dirty 51' letter 'WAS political' as agency conspired with Biden campaign to produce it and falsely claim emails on Hunter Biden's laptop were Russian disinformation"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12085077/Ex-CIA-chief-admitted-Dirty-51-letter-political.html

Why don't you stick to the quotes and not to the reporting in the quotes.

You had to go far down the rabbit hole to come with that article, nothing closer and better available?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So why did John Brennan admit that it WAS political? This will have been very hard for him to admit to.

 

"Ex-CIA chief admitted that the 'Dirty 51' letter 'WAS political' as agency conspired with Biden campaign to produce it and falsely claim emails on Hunter Biden's laptop were Russian disinformation"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12085077/Ex-CIA-chief-admitted-Dirty-51-letter-political.html

More Fox News source rubbish, recycled by the Daily Mail, similar to the debunked claims by Rep. Jordan involving Anthony Blinken...

 

"Brennan, the CIA chief during Obama's administration made the admission during his four-hour testimony to House Judiciary Committee investigators behind closed doors last week', Fox News reports."

 

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, blackrok said:

It's becoming more evident why director Wray tried to hide this FD-1023 and to redact the potion outlining the recordings and only agreed to comply after threatened with contempt of congress to avoid a potential stint behind the pipes.

 

I heard today that impeachment is pending for both Biden and Harris, and if successful then Biden could be off to Leavenworth. I want to hear the recordings, as do most who care about democracy in America

I heard today there is no impeachment coming for Biden or Harris. 

Edited June 13, 2023 by stevenl

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It reads like a rogue's gallery.

Most of the recent sources cited above in this thread by various Trump supporters here are deemed "questionable sources" by MediaBiasFactCheck.com -- which supposedly are not allowed as legitimate news sources on the forum.

 

For example:

 

"Overall, we rate Just the News Questionable and Right Biased based on story selection that mostly favors a conservative perspective. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to numerous failed fact checks and the promotion of conspiracy theories and right-wing propaganda."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-the-news/

 

Edited June 13, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[VinnieK]

Nah...that's a vast right-wing conspiracy.????