Brexit was Johnson and Johnson was Brexit. Now that he has gone, Britain must think again

[RayC]

21 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well, the EU regime always favoured the large (lobbying) corporations and for UK SME's, the unfavourable EU regulations are still there.

And yet SMEs thrive in EU countries such as Germany.

 

UK SMEs, which export to the EU, now have the burden and cost of additional bureaucracy to contend with.

 

I doubt many would agree that the business environment post-Brexit has brought benefits for them: That is, of course, an opinion.

[brewsterbudgen]

1 minute ago, Wobblybob said:

17,488,000 public voters can assure you it was the right decision.

They might have thought that it was right in 2016 - they certainly don't now! ????

[RayC]

18 minutes ago, Zapitapi said:

not a brit but i think that brexit was and is the right decision.. also brexit nothing really to do with J..... additionally i would think that if there would be a vote on it today the number for "leave" would be higher than 51.89

Being a non-Brit should not prevent you from having an opinion about Brexit. However, being unfamiliar with the facts does prevent you from having an informed opinion on the matter.

[Brickleberry]

Rehashing this now, almost a decade after the fact, is insane. I was all for remaining in the EU, but what's done is done. Boris was not the reason the UK left the EU, he was just one of the bigger faces and (as he has always been throughout his life) a lying toerag.

 

I would much rather focus the government's attention on turning the UK into a real democracy. By this, I mean let's get rid of the house of lords.

 

Patting themselves on the back and rewarding their hairdressers, loyal cronies and whomever else with life long peerages is grotesque in this day and age. The house of lords has over 800 members - it has more members than the congress of the United States, a country with a population of over 250 million compared to the UK's paltry 70 million or so. The lords are not elected, they are either appointed by the prime minister, given to the clergy, or inherited from the aristocracy. How is this democratic? Replace this bloated, outdated waste of money with an elected senate.

 

[Wobblybob]

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

They might have thought that it was right in 2016 - they certainly don't now! ????

Bit too late to change the rules now, 2016 the UK voted to leave the EU, easy as that, can't keep saying I didn't mean it. The media didn't agree with Brexit, the the staff in Whitehall didn't agree with it and it has been an exercise by these people of how to overturn a democratic vote. 7 years in the making and the remainers are still going on about it, totally shameful.

[AgMech Cowboy]

And.... How can one forget how much credit should go to Nigel Farage. He exposed the shame organization of the EU and that the UK was being run by bureaucrats not elected representatives.

Edited June 16, 2023 by AgMech Cowboy

[candide]

51 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well, the EU regime always favoured the large (lobbying) corporations and for UK SME's, the unfavourable EU regulations are still there.

And which are those EU regulations which are unfavourable to SMEs?

[Chomper Higgot]

In truth the departure of Johnson did bring about the end of the UK’s divergence from Europe.

 

The Windsor Framework put an end to the anti - EU antagonism that characterized Johnson’s tenure and was only very feebly opposed by the ERG.

 

There is not going to be a bonfire of the 4000 so called ‘EU laws and regulations’.

 

BREXIT has passed its zenith, the walk back has begun.

 

Edited June 16, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[nauseus]

29 minutes ago, RayC said:

And yet SMEs thrive in EU countries such as Germany.

 

UK SMEs, which export to the EU, now have the burden and cost of additional bureaucracy to contend with.

 

I doubt many would agree that the business environment post-Brexit has brought benefits for them: That is, of course, an opinion.

I do agree that the main downside to leaving the EU would be economic - always have - but in the long-term I still think it's worth it. That is, of course, an opinion.

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

And which are those EU regulations which are unfavourable to SMEs?

All of them. Small companies cannot absorb the costs of them as easily as corporations. 

[Goat]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

‘Brexit has failed’.

The only country in history to actually vote for sanctions to be placed on themselves.

[sammieuk1]

For those still quoting the 52% majority you were sold a dog by a liar

 

As there are no massive free trade deals immigration is an all time high the NHS is on its knees inflation is through the roof along with mortgages SME's are strangled with red tape the pound is still a shadow manufacturing has collapsed ex pats in Europe face fees and restrictions and even expulsions and trade in the block at an all time low all the Brexit leaders should be swinging off tower bridge for treason ????  

[Zapitapi]

40 minutes ago, RayC said:

Being a non-Brit should not prevent you from having an opinion about Brexit. However, being unfamiliar with the facts does prevent you from having an informed opinion on the matter.

actually quite familiar and followed for long time..EU has its advantages but also dis-advantages..in my opinion those latter are worse and should be avoided..bless u

[candide]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

All of them. Small companies cannot absorb the costs of them as easily as corporations. 

So, as usual, when Brexiters complain about EU laws, they are not able to cite any to substantiate their came.

[Tidal wave]

11 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

For those still quoting the 52% majority you were sold a dog by a liar

 

As there are no massive free trade deals immigration is an all time high the NHS is on its knees inflation is through the roof along with mortgages SME's are strangled with red tape the pound is still a shadow manufacturing has collapsed ex pats in Europe face fees and restrictions and even expulsions and trade in the block at an all time low all the Brexit leaders should be swinging off tower bridge for treason ????  

I can bring the rope.  

[brewsterbudgen]

52 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Bit too late to change the rules now, 2016 the UK voted to leave the EU, easy as that, can't keep saying I didn't mean it. The media didn't agree with Brexit, the the staff in Whitehall didn't agree with it and it has been an exercise by these people of how to overturn a democratic vote. 7 years in the making and the remainers are still going on about it, totally shameful.

Are you saying the UK people can't change their mind?  

[Irate priest]

1 hour ago, Drumbuie said:

I am currently in the UK visiting relatives and I can tell you that whatever that article says, the economy is NOT thriving post Brexit. Food is unbelievably expensive, most households are struggling to get by. My son who earns a very good salary says he can no longer save any of it due to mortgage interest increases and skyrocjeting fuel and food bills. Inflation is outstripping wage increases ( if any)  and anyone who isn't a millionaire is finding life increasingly challenging.

Brexit is a continuing disaster - hundreds of small businesses closing as they can't export to our nearest and biggest market due to the paperwork involved and the increased cost and duration of transport, others because they can't get workers from the EU any more.  Meanwhile the number of immigrants has actually *increased* - so much for the much vaunted  "controlling our borders" slogan.  

Your son has taken on too much debt like most households and that is why he is struggling to get by nothing else. The pain will only get worse for those who are up to their ears in it as interest rates get back to something like normal. 

[proton]

If you read his book the dream of Rome Johnson is all in favour of the EU and wanted Turkey to join. He was just carrying out the wishes of the electorate, something of a rarity.

[Wobblybob]

6 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Are you saying the UK people can't change their mind?  

The old cliques are the best, have you used the 'they were too stupid to know what they were voting for' yet, it must be time to drag that one out.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

But you can use the Guardian to wipe your bum! 

And at 70p per day, it is probably cheaper than proper toilet paper.

 

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Wrong post. Sorry.

 

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

Not true in any way at all.

 

Boris Johnson was only 1 person with 1 vote in the referendum.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

 

Leave
Vote share
51.9%
VOTES 17,410,742 VOTES
Remain
Vote share
48.1%
VOTES 16,141,241 VOTES

 

33,551,983 people actually voted with Leave
Vote share
51.9%
VOTES 17,410,742 VOTES
Remain
Vote share
48.1%
VOTES 16,141,241 VOTES with 26,033 rejected ballots.

 

Now it seems that the Guardian's Opinion columns say we must think again.

 

Who and what gives the the right to overrule  17.410,742 other voters apart from the arrogance of those people believing that they speak for the entire population of the UK?

 

 

 

 

Followed of course by a General Election, fought largely on the question of Brexit, and which Boris Johnson won emphatically.

[poppysdad]

I’m all for trading with, cooperating with etc etc the EU but most certainly not being ruled by them. Standardisation with many things but not have a bunch of foreigners telling us what we can and cannot do, what we have to buy or cannot as the case might be in our own country.  

[billd766]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I am a Brit and I can assure you it was the wrong decision!

I am also a Brit and I can assure you that it was the right decision at the time. I voted in favour, as did 17,410,741 other voters.

 

Less people, 16,141,241, voted to remain, and so those in favour won the referendum. That is called democracy.

 

It was then handed over to the politicians who proceeded to make a pigs ear out of it.

 

Would another referendum give a different result?

 

Nobody will know, unless there is another election and another referendum.

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I am a Brit and I can assure you it was the wrong decision!

I too am British, and I think it was the right decision!

 

So you see, some wanted it, some didn't. So we put it to a vote.

 

The majority voted for Brexit.

 

Then in 2019 it was the primary question in a General Election.

 

The party unequivocally promising to implement it won an emphatic majority.

 

So we got Brexit.

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

They might have thought that it was right in 2016 - they certainly don't now! ????

But neither you nor anyone else knows that for sure, and nobody will unless there is another referendum.

 

All there is to go on at this time is peoples opinions and the Guardian report, which is highly biased anyway.

[HappyAF]

It's going swimmingly well actually, ala fog in the channel, Europe cut off:

Rage as Brits stuck in airport queue for 3h - EU travellers 'given looks that could kill'
"In less than a minute, we Irish passport holders were waived through with a smile. If looks could kill!"

Some pointed out that the best way to avoid this is by not visiting these countries. User Sharon Gregory commented: "Easy solution….don’t visit Spain!"
https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1620510/british-tourists-EU-travellers-airport-queues-Spain

Since Brexit, British tourists are only allowed to stay in the Schengen area (a free movement area without border controls that includes 26 countries including Spain but excluding Ireland) for 90 out of 180 days and must get their passports stamped when they leave or could face being refused entry on another visit.
https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1604096/Malaga-Airport-passport-queues-holidays-Ireland-Britain-Brexit

[billd766]

52 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

For those still quoting the 52% majority you were sold a dog by a liar

 

As there are no massive free trade deals immigration is an all time high the NHS is on its knees inflation is through the roof along with mortgages SME's are strangled with red tape the pound is still a shadow manufacturing has collapsed ex pats in Europe face fees and restrictions and even expulsions and trade in the block at an all time low all the Brexit leaders should be swinging off tower bridge for treason ????  

That of course is just your opinion.

 

Others may differ.

[JonnyF]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

 

 

As the EU economy is displaying once the UK cash cow left.

[BenStark]

Just read an article about Boris in a local magazine, but can't link since it isn't in English.

 

The headline says : Boris, the downfall from someone who no longer saw the difference between lies and truth.

[JonnyF]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or done even more damage.

 

‘Brexit has failed’.

And yet the German economy and the EU economy as a whole is in recession while the UK economy grows.

 

You've got nothing.