Barriers to transgender people accessing Thailand’s healthcare system

[Jingthing]

34 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

It is a slur word to me to call me cisgender so STOP calling me it!

How do you like being called a slur word.  I can think of a few to describe you but being a gentleman I will keep them to myself and not post them on a public forum. Just as I believe people like you should also refrain from so doing!

I am a man NOT cisgender. I am also NOT a f@cking statistic!

Hysterical unbelievable fake outrage over a legitimate word. 

[save the frogs]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Hysterical unbelievable fake outrage over a legitimate word. 

not taking sides in this argument ...  but ... it is a relatively new word.

 

Cisgender was added to the Oxford English Dictionary in 2015

[scottiejohn]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Hysterical unbelievable fake outrage over a legitimate word. 

There is nothing fake about my outrage at you and your ilk using slur words about me!

If I inadvertently misuse any of the ‘LGBTQIA2S+’ letters/pronouns/whatever's I would be hounded  and abused by persons (letter unknown) pick from ‘LGBTQIA2S+’, just as you are hounding me for being called something I will NOT identify as!

 

Why can't you and your ‘LGBTQIA2S+’ community not talk very quietly amongst yourselves about how you want to "identify" yourselves and leave the rest of us alone without  all the ‘LGBTQIA2S+’ hassle and nonsense!

Each to their own and leave each other alone is my motto!

 

[Baht Simpson]

9 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

not taking sides in this argument ...  but ... it is a relatively new word.

 

Cisgender was added to the Oxford English Dictionary in 2015

-The prefix “cis-” comes from the Latin meaning “on this side,” as opposed to “trans-” which means “on the other side of” or “beyond.” Source McGill University

Cisgender is relatively new but Cis as a prefix is as old as the hills and is used extensively as a descriptor in science and medicine. 

 

[Baht Simpson]

14 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

If I inadvertently misuse any of the ‘LGBTQIA2S+’ letters/pronouns/whatever's I would be hounded  and abused by persons..........

 

Mate you literally used just LGBT in a previous post.   Where do you need to use LGBTQIA2S+’ letters/pronouns? I've never had to. 

[KhunLA]

cisgender ... another word invented (1955), with popular use in 1970.

 

To me, means absolutely nothing.  I refuse to even acknowledge this silly new word.

 

I am a male H. sapien ... call me that, or use my name.

 

Kingdom:	Animalia
Phylum:	Chordata
Class:	Mammalia
Order:	Primates
Suborder:	Haplorhini
Infraorder:	Simiiformes
Family:	Hominidae
Subfamily:	Homininae
Tribe:	Hominini
Genus:	Homo
Species:	H. sapiens

 

2 types and only 2 types; male & female

one usually has a penis, and the other can give birth to offspring

 

Do with what you want after you're born, but you are either or; male or female.

 

A male will never give birth, and female will never have a penis or testicles.

 

 

Edited June 26, 2023 by KhunLA

[WHansen]

Fragile attention seekers in my opinion.

Doing more harm to their cause than good with all these claims of persecution and shouting at the top of their voices.

We get it, give it a rest.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

There is nothing fake about my outrage at you and your ilk using slur words about me!

If I inadvertently misuse any of the ‘LGBTQIA2S+’ letters/pronouns/whatever's I would be hounded  and abused by persons (letter unknown) pick from ‘LGBTQIA2S+’, just as you are hounding me for being called something I will NOT identify as!

 

Why can't you and your ‘LGBTQIA2S+’ community not talk very quietly amongst yourselves about how you want to "identify" yourselves and leave the rest of us alone without  all the ‘LGBTQIA2S+’ hassle and nonsense!

Each to their own and leave each other alone is my motto!

 

Its not a slur. 

[Captain Monday]

8 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

"Cisgender" sounds a bit like a disease... What's wrong with the good old 'heterosexual'? (I know it's not 100% the same, but I don't feel comfortable to get labelled with 'weird' words, only because a small minority, who feels they are something else than what they actually are, feels more comfortable thanks to such, relatively new, labels...

You state these people 「feels they are something else than what they actually are」sounds more like an ingrained  bias than rational opinion. This kind of thinking has resulted an actual  state of emergency for the LGBTQ+ community in my country (US). Now fanned by vile political demagogues and their minions, the religious fanatics and reactionaries, mostly right-wingers.

 

Die hard conservatism and traditionalism has nothing to so with science or prevailing medical opinion, which is not on their side. Trans men are men. It might sound "weird" bur cisgender is just a harmless neologism and has been around a long time. Trans men who are attracted to persons who present as so-called "women" are heterosexuals. It does not matter what organs they have in/ on them or what was written on a birth certificate.

 

http://t-vox.org/information/definitions/cisgender

[Captain Monday]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

cisgender ... another word invented (1955), with popular use in 1970.

 

To me, means absolutely nothing.  I refuse to even acknowledge this silly new word.

 

I am a male H. sapien ... call me that, or use my name.

 

Kingdom:	Animalia
Phylum:	Chordata
Class:	Mammalia
Order:	Primates
Suborder:	Haplorhini
Infraorder:	Simiiformes
Family:	Hominidae
Subfamily:	Homininae
Tribe:	Hominini
Genus:	Homo
Species:	H. sapiens

 

2 types and only 2 types; male & female

one usually has a penis, and the other can give birth to offspring

 

Do with what you want after you're born, but you are either or; male or female.

 

A male will never give birth, and female will never have a penis 

If there are 2 types and only 2 types only what type then s Austin Texas human rights comissoner Alicia Roth Weigel? She was born in her own words "with balls".

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9478313/Person-no-idea-intersex-read-magazine-article-word-27.html

[KhunLA]

3 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

If there are 2 types and only 2 types only what type then s Austin Texas human rights comissoner Alicia Roth Weigel? She was born in her own words "with balls".

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9478313/Person-no-idea-intersex-read-magazine-article-word-27.html

Yes, I know there are the rare cases of nature having an oops.  Tough call for parents & docs, and hope they make the right one at the time.  If only one complete set of sex organs then easy call, if both ... good luck.  Start counting chromosomes. 

 

Xs & Ys ... there are no Zs people.  Only in your mind, and please keep it to yourselves.  The rest of us don't care.

 

I think I'll parade around the resort tomorrow ... 'I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man'

 

Edited June 26, 2023 by KhunLA

[jacko45k]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Hysterical unbelievable fake outrage over a legitimate word. 

Since 2015...... when I turned 60. Haven't really needed it since then either. 

[zzaa09]

7 hours ago, WHansen said:

Fragile attention seekers in my opinion.

Doing more harm to their cause than good with all these claims of persecution and shouting at the top of their voices.

We get it, give it a rest.

Yeah, their 15 minutes expired some time ago. 

Extreme political identities with an agenda.

 

Guillotines in the public square. 

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

Yeah, their 15 minutes expired some time ago. 

Extreme political identities with an agenda.

 

Guillotines in the public square. 

So you support the death penalty for transgender people?

[Peabody]

18 hours ago, KhunLA said:

and the other can give birth to offspring

So a person beyond childbearing age cannot be a woman?  ???? Might wanna think about that.

How about an XY person with Fallopian tubes and a rudimentary uterus? Male or female?

[BangkokReady]

On 6/26/2023 at 11:31 AM, webfact said:

“There are many issues. For example, on our healthcare card, we do not want to be identified as ‘Miss’. During the history examination, there are also questions like ‘Why would you want to undergo [gender affirming] surgery?’, ‘Have you undergone the surgery yet?’ or ‘Did your parents say anything about it?’ These questions objectify us and invade our privacy,” a Trans man said while sharing his experiences in an interview with BBC Thai.

If you find being asked about your very relevant medical history offensive, then you're definitely going to be offended when you seek medical care.

 

Doctors and other health care professionals have to look at the biology, not what the patient wants to be made to feel like.

[BangkokReady]

On 6/26/2023 at 2:49 PM, loong said:

Why would cisgender people be even remotely likely to face discrimination??

I was born a man, I live life as a man and I have no problem when other people refer to me as a man.

Someone who doesn't like men might treat you badly because you are a man.  That is discrimination.

[BangkokReady]

On 6/26/2023 at 4:39 PM, PremiumLane said:

"muh feeling are hurt if I get called a science term"

Good god, the irony!  ????

[onthedarkside]

Reported post trolling with a personal insult removed along with replies

[BangkokReady]

20 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Each to their own and leave each other alone is my motto!

The funny thing is, when it comes to minorities, the attitude seems to be "Well, it's about you, so you tell us what you want to be called and we'll respect your wishes.  We can't speak about your experiences, only you can do that.", but when it comes to us normies, the attitude is "We will decide what to call, you won't have a say, and you will like it".  But it's "not a slur".  ????

[Jingthing]

Cisgender is NOT a slur. FACT.

 

On the other hand snowflake is a slur.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/06/22/elon-musk-cisgender-slur-twitter-anti-trans-policies/70343998007/

 

 

Elon Musk declares 'cisgender' a slur on Twitter. What about 'fragile man with big ego'?

 

In the latest episode of “Wealthy White Dudes Get Their Tender Feelings Hurt By An Adjective” self-proclaimed free-speech absolutist Elon Musk has decided the word “cisgender” is a slur.

The owner of one of the largest social media megaphones on the planet issued the following edict via tweet this week: "The words 'cis' or 'cisgender' are considered slurs on this platform."

 

This came as news to most people, as the word “cisgender,” according to Merriam-Webster, simply means: “of, relating to, or being a person whose gender identity corresponds with the sex the person had or was identified as having at birth.”

 

Edited June 27, 2023 by Jingthing

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Cisgender

What happened to "normal"?  Enough people identify as the gender they were born as to allow it to safely be considered "normal", don't they?

 

Normally sighted, normally abled, normal gender?  It seems like terms already existed before "cisgender" was invented.

[scottiejohn]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Cisgender is NOT a slur.

It is a SLUR to those who object to being described by it!

I am a man!

I am NOT Cisgender! (no matter what you think it means to you!)

It is also totally unnecessary and misleading to me! 

Please do not bother responding. 

Nothing you could possibly say will change my stance so please do not bother!

You are as entrenched in your opinion on this pointless word as I am! 

[MrJ2U]

It seems transgender rights/news is everywhere, oversaturating the headlines. 

 

I guess it's the hip thing to talk about these days. 

Edited June 27, 2023 by MrJ2U

[Jingthing]

31 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

It seems transgender rights/news is everywhere, oversaturating the headlines. 

 

I guess it's the hip thing to talk about these days. 

It's the hip thing to demonize and scapegoat.

[stoner]

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's the hip thing to demonize and scapegoat.

ummmmm....

 

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

In the latest episode of “Wealthy White Dudes Get Their Tender Feelings Hurt By An Adjective”

 

[Jingthing]

This link covers a lot about the word cisgender. But i want to mention something that I don't see discussed elsewhere. A reason why the word NORMAL is not nearly as good or as precise as cisgender.

 

Ignoring the "othering" aspects mentioned in the link, consider this.

 

Someone says -- I'm normal. I'm a normal man. 

What is he saying?

 

That he likes sports?

 

That he doesn't call again after the first date?

 

That he's heterosexual?

 

That he is a born male that identifies as male?

 

You don't know!

 

You need to add more information to know what he means.

 

When you say heterosexual you know he's talking about his sexual orientation. In one word!

 

When you say cisgender, you know he's talking about his gender identity. In one word!

 

Yes, again, cisgender is not a slur in the slightest, but is in fact a very useful word.

 

 

‘We’re just normal, why do you call us cis?’ | by Allison Washington | CROSSIN(G)ENRES (crossingenres.com)

[MrJ2U]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It's the hip thing to demonize and scapegoat.

Seems that's a Republican/Ultra conservative thing.

 

Average, normal people really could care less.  If you wanna dress like the opposite sex.

 

knock yourself out but don't shove it down my throat. 

 

 

[jacko45k]

21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So you support the death penalty for transgender people?

They should be treated as per others, so the question is simpler.....

[Peabody]

9 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

I am NOT Cisgender! (no matter what you think it means to you!)

Wow! More secret transgenders on this thread than I thought.