Over 9.3 million people cleared from police criminal record files

[snoop1130]

 

More than 9.3 million people have had their names removed from police criminal record files, having been found not guilty and acquitted, were fined or were given mild sentences by the courts, according to Pol Gen Surachate Hakparn, the deputy national police chief.

 

He disclosed that there used to be about 13 million people listed in the police criminal record files and, of the 9.3 million whose names have been removed, about 600,000 have already been notified.

 

The Royal Thai Police are in the process of creating a website, expected to be launched at the end of this year, which will enable the public to check whether their names are in or have been removed from police records.

 

Full Story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/over-9-3-million-people-cleared-from-police-criminal-record-files/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2023-06-27

 

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[StayinThailand2much]

13 million; quite a number, in a country of less than 70 million...

[BenStark]

46 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

13 million; quite a number, in a country of less than 70 million...

Not really.

 

A traffic offence is  a criminal offence, so registered on your criminal history

[ukrules]

The problem seems to be that once you're arrested your names on the list, even if it turns out that you didn't do whatever it was you were arrested for.

 

The system is complete garbage and not fit for purpose.

 

How do we know any of the data is accurate? I wouldn't trust it at all.

 

[webfact]

Police Move To Clear Criminal Record Of 13 Million Thais
by TNR Staff

 

Deputy National Police Chief Pol. Gen. Surachate Hakparn, left, and Mr. Prinya Thaewanarumitkul. Photo: Thai Rath

 

WITH the announcement of the amendment of police regulations on fingerprinting on May 27, 2023 which in the past led to fingerprinted suspects having a criminal background thus unable to apply for a job despite the charges having later being dropped against them the police are now rushing to clear the record of 13 million Thais thus affected, TV Channel 7 said Tuesday (June 27).

 

Mr. Prinya Thaewanarumitkul, head of Thammasat University’s law faculty, said the unamended regulation led to suspects against whom charges were later dropped or who had died to continue having criminal record.

 

To remove their name from the listing they had to prove that it was a wrongful arrest or the suspect had died.

 

Discussions between relevant agencies including the courts, prosecutors and the police discovered that it was the police who were directly involved in this listing.

 

Each year there are more than 800,000 criminal cases involving more than 13 million Thais, or one in every six Thai citizens, and they previously all were listed as having a criminal record.

 

Full story: https://thainewsroom.com/2023/06/27/police-move-to-clear-criminal-record-of-13-million-thais/

 

-- © Copyright  THAI NEWSROOM 2023-06-28

 

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[ukrules]

40 minutes ago, webfact said:

discovered that it was the police who were directly involved in this listing.

What a pathetic situation for a country to allow itself to get into - and then ignore it.

 

I wonder how long this has been going on for? Must have been a very long time for this number to accrue.

[2baht]

10 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

13 million people listed in the police criminal record files

Any comment would be superfluous! ????

[neeray]

13 million: That kind of gives credence to the comparison of, "The Wild Wild West".

[ikke1959]

Do they know who is a real criminal, or is just everybody a criminal unless the opposite is proven??

[Classic Ray]

The problem comes with future investigations.

 

Fingerprints or DNA found at crime scenes are compared with those already on record to identify offenders. In the U.K. those are retained even for those released/acquitted except in certain circumstances, but they do not count as a criminal record. 
 

I would be concerned if those samples and their identifying information are also destroyed in Thailand as well as removing peoples names from criminal records. 
 

Many people have been convicted on the basis of identification from historic samples even after acquittal in earlier cases, they are extremely valuable.

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

13 million; quite a number, in a country of less than 70 million...

Yep, you could read a lot into those stats.... 

what condition the country is really in and the state of the society as a whole.

[sirineou]

6 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

13 million; quite a number, in a country of less than 70 million...

1.3 in 7, but they don't need to worry about the the .3 criminal because he only causes 1/3 the normal per person criminal activity. If they could purge the remaining  57 million  records they could then announce that Thailand is totally crime free.

[kcpattaya]

4 hours ago, ukrules said:

The system is complete garbage and not fit for purpose.

 

How do we know any of the data is accurate?

Guess you work for the police or have reliable intel?

[AhFarangJa]

I wonder how many corrupt people in public service now have no criminal record......

[herfiehandbag]

Since the database is probably run on pirated copies of Windows 98, albeit in the process of being updated to Windows 7 by the resident IT consultant, a Police Generals 17 year old nephew, it probably doesn't work anyway!

 

The backup paper files will be printed on the reverse of old passport photocopies, and occupy a massive wharehouse just outside Bangkok.

 

In the words of Flanders and Swan: "it all makes work for the working man to do!"

[Skipalongcassidy]

Until Thai IT eliminates the need for a paper trail it is doomed to fail every time.

[Darksidedude]

maybe something to do with Prayut being off and new government coming in

[Skipalongcassidy]

So they wiped the slate clean of the RTP

[KhunLA]

Assuming it included traffic violations, which would make sense.  An no different than say, the USA, (only 1 familiar with), with their record keeping.

 

Usually summary, misdemeanor  arrest/convictions are only kept locally, if that, for reference if future arrests happen.

 

Felonies should be in a data base.  Along with DUIs, and or MVA causing injury or death, as in some USA states.  Some stay permanent, others drop off after 3-5-10 yrs.

 

Other arrests and or convictions, you can get expunged, if deemed possible and 'fair' to do.   I've done that, but make no mistake, your record probably never disappears, no matter what 'they' tell you.   

 

As my expunged records miraculously showed up afterwards, since apparently FBI doesn't not follow the rule of law, and cooperate.   Along with passing that info along to US Immigrations.  I know for a fact happens, from experience.

 

Would imagine the same happens here in TH, and simply another case of the govt, telling you what they thinK you should know, and not the reality of what they do.

[mikebell]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

13 million people listed in the police criminal record files

out of 62 million!  How many of them police?

[brianthainess]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Each year there are more than 800,000 criminal cases involving more than 13 million Thais, or one in every six Thai

Each year!

[brianthainess]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

the police are now rushing to clear the record of 13 million

Why the sudden rush? Scared the New PM might find some dirt?

[Jiggo]

Are the Police included in these figures?  

[stix40]

Paper industry and stamp manufacturers rubbing their hands ! 

[brianthainess]

''So offences of carelessness is considered confidential and can not be disclosed to the public.''  

''Those removed can work in private and Government sectors.''

I'm not normally one to like conspiracy theories, but this stinks more than fermented fish and a dead dog in the same bucket.

Or have i miss read the full story?

[brianthainess]

41 minutes ago, mikebell said:

out of 62 million!  How many of them police?

4 in 6 ?

[brianthainess]

2 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

''So offences of carelessness is considered confidential and can not be disclosed to the public.''  

Put that fire out 

[sambum]

4 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Do they know who is a real criminal, or is just everybody a criminal unless the opposite is proven??

Guilty until proven innocent seems to be the guideline!

 

When the the Covid restrictions were at their peak, a mate of mine sat down with some others outside a bar that was selling alcohol illegally. He hadn't actually ordered a drink, but was roped in with the others who had drinks in front of them. He was going to plead not guilty, but was persuaded otherwise by the Court interpreter. She said he could plead not  guilty, would probably spend the next few nights or a week in jail, would have to hire a lawyer (not cheap) and at the end of the day she "guaranteed" that he would still be found guilty, and end up getting double the sentence that the others had received - so he pleaded guilty!

[a3tsw]

36 minutes ago, Jiggo said:

Are the Police included in these figures?  

The Police are those figures! ????

[bradiston]

One wonders if amongst the 9.3m are deceased/departed overstayers as previously reported. Maybe duplicate records too, and/or incomplete, corrupted, long out of date etc etc.

 

Next news item...

 

"Police accidentally wipe all records of all convicted felons over the last 50 years".

Edited June 28, 2023 by bradiston