Popular Post georgegeorgia Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 After today I have stopped helping anyone that needs help. I was in a Pattaya restaurant this morning having breakfast when a old english fool started choking in the next table . I was shocked into action without thinking as his Thai girlfriend started screaming. I immediately went to the old fool and slappef his back when he coughed up the food and then started abusing me . Calling me the most abuse vile names , all whilst sitting their panting. I stood there shocked looking at him. The staff came over ,he said I was talking to that farang pointing at me . So I was going to abuse him back but just went back to my table and left ,if I didn't leave I could or would of abused him. Please don't ask for my help in future,if I see anyone in distress I will mind my own business 4 2 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EVENKEEL Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 You don't put your hands on them without some acknowledgement. You know better. 3 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post worgeordie Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 Did you give him some kind of warning ,you were going to hit him in the back ? the shock of that while he was choking could have given the old fella a heart attack , and you could have been up for manslaughter , so don't do anything like that again , mind your own business like everyone else,.... regards Worgeordie 2 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EVENKEEL Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 I must have you confused with another poster as being a health care professional. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dmaxdan Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 As you helped the guy today, I'm willing to bet that if there is a next time you're not going to just sit there and watch someone choke to death. There are plenty of people out there who would be eternally grateful that you have saved their life. 8 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scubascuba3 Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 banging on the bag is no use it just makes the person angry, you need to do the Heimlich maneuver 10 1 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post homeseeker Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) OP : seems to me you were faced with a person choking on his food and you did what u considered necessary to assist in this apparent emergency. He coughed up the food, so you saved him. You deserve applause not abuse. But remember the old saying: "every good deed deserves to be punished" Edited July 8, 2023 by homeseeker 3 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post amexpat Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 43 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: You don't put your hands on them without some acknowledgement. You know better. On whom? Brits? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 35 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: I must have you confused with another poster as being a health care professional. Would that have been me? I'd never hit anyone on the back for choking as the proper procedure is to reach around from the back and do the Heimlich maneuver. Don't know how to do it- find out as the life you save might be someone you love. Perhaps he had a case of something gone down the wrong way and coughing, but not obstructed- happens to me occasionally. That might explain why he was PO about some stranger rushing in and hitting him. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JackGats Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 This is a small incident. Worse is when you help someone in a big way and they later turn on you. I got a woman from Uganda out of immigration jail in Thailand. I visited her and brought her food in jail week after week, negotiated with prison staff and police, paid her deportation ticket back home out of my own pocket. When I later visited her in Kampala with a view to settle in Uganda, she turned on me after finding out I wanted to go out with local women. She became hysterical at me, telling to everyone who wanted to hear that I had "used" her to get a Ugandan visa. Eventually I had to leave Uganda asap. My reward for saving her from rotting away in a Thai jail possibly for years. I now better understand why the rich, who could afford often to help people, reluctantly ever do so. 4 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 1 minute ago, JackGats said: This is a small incident. Worse is when you help someone in a big way and they later turn on you. I got a woman from Uganda out of immigration jail in Thailand. I visited her and brought her food in jail week after week, negotiated with prison staff and police, paid her deportation ticket back home out of my own pocket. When I later visited her in Kampala with a view to settle in Uganda, she turned on me after finding out I wanted to go out with local women. She became hysterical at me, telling to everyone who wanted to hear that I had "used" her to get a Ugandan visa. Eventually I had to leave Uganda asap. My reward for saving her from rotting away in a Thai jail possibly for years. I now better understand why the rich, who could afford often to help people, reluctantly ever do so. I learned long ago that no good deed goes unpunished. The last time I tried to be nice to someone I didn't know was when I sold a device to a neighbour and said he could pay me when he could afford to. 3 months later paid hardly anything, though never short of fags or booze. Lesson learned- don't be nice to people I don't know. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Rice Balls Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 51 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: I must have you confused with another poster as being a health care professional. Im not a doctor--tho I DO play one on thai soap operas ???? nurse 50 ccs of sangsom--stat! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Rice Balls Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 some thai ladies will let you put your hands on them.............................for a small fee..... ???? *must pay b4 services rendered* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Rice Balls Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: as the proper procedure is to reach around from the back *scribbles down this tip and heads to loy kroh* thanks for the tip friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said: I immediately went to the old fool and slappef his back when he coughed up the food and then started abusing me . Errrr, if he "coughed up the food" from a slap on the back it likely wasn't obstructing his windpipe- probably just in his mouth. To push out food obstructing the windpipe takes the Heimlich maneuver to create enough pressure to do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 Surprised it worked. Aren't you supposed to do this? 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led Lolly Yellow Lolly Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) Slapping him on the back, you might as well have just punched him in the face. Is that what actually happened? Edited July 8, 2023 by Led Lolly Yellow Lolly 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GroveHillWanderer Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 55 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said: banging on the bag is no use it just makes the person angry, you need to do the Heimlich maneuver Actually, the Heimlich maneuver is now recommended only as a last resort when someone is choking. Banging the person on the back should be tried before that (though only after encouraging them to cough). Both the American Red Cross and UK National Health Service (NHS) recommend the following steps in order: 1. Encourage the patient to cough. 2. Give five slaps on the back after bending the patient forward. 3. Abdominal thrusts (aka the Heimlich maneuver) only if the previous methods fail. Detailed advice from the NHS website below. What should I do if someone is choking? 9 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Felton Jarvis Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 You tried to help a person who was obviously mentally ill. If I were you, I wouldn’t let that stop me from offering help in the future. You did the right thing and it was not appreciated. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: Actually, the Heimlich maneuver is now recommended only as a last resort when someone is choking. Banging the person on the back should be tried before that (though only after encouraging them to cough). Both the American Red Cross and UK National Health Service (NHS) recommend the following steps in order: 1. Encourage the patient to cough. 2. Give five slaps on the back after bending the patient forward. 3. Abdominal thrusts (aka the Heimlich maneuver) only if the previous methods fail. Detailed advice from the NHS website below. What should I do if someone is choking? Thank you for that update. I stand corrected. In my defense it is many many years since I retired and did a first aid course ( we did them yearly ). In my time only babies were to be given a ( light ) back slap. They might have changed the routine because the maneuver might cause some trauma eg broken ribs if done improperly. Many things changed during my time eg we no longer did a finger sweep for CPR as it was determined that we might just push an obstruction down further. However, from the OP the guy rushing in just started slapping on the back without checking to see if the victim was indeed obstructed, no encouraging to cough, and no mention of bending him over to give the slaps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 PS, doing a Heimlich maneuver on oneself if no one is around to help would still be the option as it is rather hard to slap oneself on the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon43 Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said: banging on the bag is no use it just makes the person angry, you need to do the Heimlich maneuver He would probably accused the OP of trying to b*gger him!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sherwood Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 "An old English fool", say no more and for jebus sale don't mention the cricket. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led Lolly Yellow Lolly Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: I stand corrected Ditto that, I had no idea, I guess I'm relying on my memory of first aid taught at school in the 80s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said: banging on the bag is no use it just makes the person angry, you need to do the Heimlich maneuver yet he coughed up food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, brianthainess said: yet he coughed up food. Probably the anger made him cough it up. I thought everyone knew you do the Heimlich maneuver 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogradod Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 The headline of this post is - taken alone - utterly wrong. But maybe the OP meant not to help if you dont know all or most of the circumstances surrounding the matter. Because IF you do, it is easy to determine if it is right or wrong by yourself: You will most of the time find to receive more goodwill yourself than you put into it. But not only you may suffer by misjudgement, you could eventually even trigger the opposite consequences that you had in mind: You set a bird free to do it good, but after some minutes it might be eaten up by a cat. But in the vast majority of times to help somebody would rather result in happiness for yourself. The unfortunate examples listed do not contradict that universal truth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post whereyougo Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said: You don't put your hands on them without some acknowledgement. You know better. Guy is choking to death and they need to negotiate something to proceed? 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, whereyougo said: Guy is choking to death The OP only said he was choking, nothing about "choking to death! There is no need to turn it into an episode of Dr Kildare/Emergency Ward 10 etc! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said: Probably the anger made him cough it up. I thought everyone knew you do the Heimlich maneuver My missus gives me a slap on the back, sometimes i get small items stuck in my Epiglottis, like a small hard tomato seed, or similar, and gasping for air, it works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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