Plan is to rally parliament behind the people’s will to elect Pita Limjaroenrat as Prime Minister

[MikeandDow]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If the Constitution Court accept the case after 13 July based on Section 151 of the Election Law for holding shares in a media company, the criminal procedures will involved many steps and can take months and years. If he is found quity for breaching the law, it can mean prison time and ban politically for an extensive period. The government will simply appoint a Prime Minister to take his place. The key date will be 13 July and if EC could not forward the case to the Court, the senators will be less pressured to abstain or vote no. 

Agree  In my opionion I dont think the EC will do anything at this time they will wait to see outcome of vote, but i dont think he will get the votes.

[John Drake]

Whatever is going to happen has already been decided.

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Whatever is going to happen has already been decided.

It's a new era and past architects of political decisions have passed and the Generals from the Burapha Phayak have been defanged. What is left are the ultra conservatives in the senate that have influence on the next government but they too will be gone by next year. I feel that there will be less political happenings like in the last two decade. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

3 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

It is a law which allows those in power ( and remember that includes those with "influence" behind the scenes) to basically intern, prosecute and imprison their opponents, to remove them from the political arena. It offers a veneer of respectability to what is basically good old fashioned political suppression.

This is also the way Thais operate in business. 

[herfiehandbag]

Just now, Mr Meeseeks said:

This is also the way Thais operate in business. 

Makes sense. Those in real power are essentially businessmen!

[Mr Meeseeks]

2 hours ago, Enzian said:

I do remember something about blocked intersections for months.

Suthep and Prayuth conspired since 2010 to remove the elected government and engineer the situation to justify a coup (not that coups are ever justified). 

[Mr Meeseeks]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

It's a new era and past architects of political decisions have passed and the Generals from the Burapha Phayak have been defanged. What is left are the ultra conservatives in the senate that have influence on the next government but they too will be gone by next year. I feel that there will be less political happenings like in the last two decade. 

Wishful thinking I am afraid. I heard exactly the same sentiments from Thais and foreigners when Thaksin came to power in 2001. 

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Purdey said:

Hoping MF will not rely on the constitution alone to end coups but create a law stating the death penalty for coup makers. Then another dozen laws regarding misuse of state funds (the military belongs to the state) and ancillary laws that can’t be quashed easily.

The laws are already there, but as usual they are not enforced. That comes from the very top of the heap.

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Wishful thinking I am afraid. I heard exactly the same sentiments from Thais and foreigners when Thaksin came to power in 2001. 

I am expressing more on the extrapolitical factors and the personalities that played key roles in 2 decades of non democratic means to grapped and hold power. Those factors are gone. Thaksin attempt to bring the military under the government failed and scared the establishment. The establishment failed in providing the governments that showed they are better and instead were even more corrupted with no accountability. Their supporters have now turned on them and thus provide a better political environment for the new government to thrive. 

[Eric Loh]

38 minutes ago, billd766 said:

The laws are already there, but as usual they are not enforced. That comes from the very top of the heap.

So true that the double standard of enforcement is the problem. The military has to be reformed to bring the entity under the control of the government like in most democratic countries and also neighbouring Asean countries like Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia. 

[Jackbenimble]

5 hours ago, bogs smith said:

The elites really are Terrified of this man.

 

i've got my bag of popcorn ready for thursday...

Eh? We're at this juncture because even the Elites voted against Prayut. 

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

there came another challenge against him from his arch critic Mr Ruangkrai Leekitwattana of the Palang Pracharat Party seeking to make a complaint about the political leader’s authorship of four books and asking the Election Commission if this may be construed as the operation of a newspaper under Thailand’s Printing Recordation Act of 2007.

Desperation of the old school.

[Jackbenimble]

2 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

100% correct,    Thai peole are apathetic, sure there will be protests but not tens of thousands be a few hundred after a couple of day, zero all forgotten, that is the thai way. Remember the thai people voted for this constution.

I will be very supprised if he get in. (hope he does) but Thai Laws, like virtually all Thai laws, always have some vagueness so that they can be "interpreted" (anyone ever visit Thai immigration?). The EC was appointed by the Junta and will always find something to question based on their "interpretation" of the rules. Moreover, they'll take their sweet time in doing so against an opposition candidate as every day after the election goes by, the sense of momentum of the winning, Pro-Democracy side wanes just a little. Finally, after they have done their best to blunt a sense of momentum, they'll refer the case to the courts out of an abundance of caution and he will be stopped.

Thai's never follow through. look at Payut found guilty in chang mai courts, nothing will happen.

Prawit and the watches reports asked to be made poblic,  nothing

Palang Pracharath Party and the 3 million donation  nothing to be forgoten

Thailand needs to clean its act up in the eyes of the world  nothing will happen, but who cares Iam just a dirty Falang.

 

Thai people didn't vote for "this" version of the constution. They for for "the" constitution and then it was amended and not put to the vote. 

[Snig27]

3 hours ago, anchadian said:

Caretaker PM Office Minister Thanakorn Wangboonkongchana said on Tuesday if Pita Limjaroenrat fail to get the minium vote needed to become PM on Thursday another name should be submitted the week after and not Pita's name anew.

Not sure a dodgy career civil servant has any say in this.

[Purdey]

Does Stephen King know he is a media baron?

[findlay13]

I hope it works but I wont hold my breath

[MikeandDow]

26 minutes ago, Jackbenimble said:

Thai people didn't vote for "this" version of the constution. They for for "the" constitution and then it was amended and not put to the vote. 

they voted for the 2017 constution

The current constitution was adopted in 2017. The 105-page, 279-article proposed constitution[2][3] was approved by 61.4 percent of Thai voters with 59.4 percent of the public participating. It allows the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) to appoint an eight to ten person panel who will choose Senators,[4] and includes six seats reserved for the heads of the Royal Thai Army, Navy, Air Force, and Police, plus the military's supreme commander, and defense permanent secretary. The bicameral Parliament could also select a candidate as Prime Minister who is not one of its members or even a politician. Critics suggest it effectively allows the military to control the government whatever the outcome of subsequent elections.

it was amened  constitutional amendment bill passed by parliament on Sept 10 has been issued. It was published in the Royal Gazette on Sunday. The amendments involve Sections 83, 86 and 91 of the 2017 constitution. regaring the election .

 

Edited July 11, 2023 by MikeandDow

[spidermike007]

Anything, absolutely anything that can be done to limit the power of the army, and the toxic and corrupt senators they appointed, is a good thing for the nation. The dinosaurs must be made extinct. And the youth must be allowed representation or control. Total control, if possible. They are the only ones who can move this nation forward, and stop the heinous and regressive  army. The corrupt, army appointed senators need to do the right thing, if they know what is best for them, and their families. If they do not, all bets are off.

The most important part of this equation was only 42 seats for Prawit and 37 for Cha Cha. It was a huge repudiation for the status quo. The people said no, I don't think so, you guys are dinosaurs, we don't want you, we don't like you, you need to disappear off the face of the earth.

His election is a truly great thing for this nation and shows that the people are both sick of being led by highly ignorant dinosaurs, with no interest in progress, and interested in smart, young folks, who are serious, accomplished, capable of change, and interested in insuring that Thailand has a good future. Pita is exactly what this nation needs, at this point in time. This is a huge blessing. I am optimistic. I think he will stick to his promises.

[MikeandDow]

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Anything, absolutely anything that can be done to limit the power of the army, and the toxic and corrupt senators they appointed, is a good thing for the nation. The dinosaurs must be made extinct. And the youth must be allowed representation or control. Total control, if possible. They are the only ones who can move this nation forward, and stop the heinous and regressive  army. The corrupt, army appointed senators need to do the right thing, if they know what is best for them, and their families. If they do not, all bets are off.

The most important part of this equation was only 42 seats for Prawit and 37 for Cha Cha. It was a huge repudiation for the status quo. The people said no, I don't think so, you guys are dinosaurs, we don't want you, we don't like you, you need to disappear off the face of the earth.

His election is a truly great thing for this nation and shows that the people are both sick of being led by highly ignorant dinosaurs, with no interest in progress, and interested in smart, young folks, who are serious, accomplished, capable of change, and interested in insuring that Thailand has a good future. Pita is exactly what this nation needs, at this point in time. This is a huge blessing. I am optimistic. I think he will stick to his promises.

I agree in part, but i would NOT threaten the families, You have a pretense to violence in your posts, which I belive shows a distubing nature, I might be wrong i am not a mental health doctor.

[MrJ2U]

6 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

are all senators and MP's blind/? 

There paid upwards of 120,000 baht a month plus a 10,000 baht daily stipend to rubber stamp what ever the Junta/military want.  They were all handpicked to toe the line.

 

Unfortunately, I don't think Pita will get the PM role.

 

Democracy in Thailand is far off, if ever. 

 

 

Edited July 11, 2023 by MrJ2U

[JayBird]

6 hours ago, bogs smith said:

The elites really are Terrified of this man.

 

i've got my bag of popcorn ready for thursday...

Doesn't he count as an elite?

[paul1804]

6 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

What irritates me is that the people have clearly stated that they want changes, but that the dinosaurs are doing everything not to accept the choice of the people. They come with media shares, keep investigating as long as possible for a decision, come with new tricks as books now suddenly as media problem.. It seems that even if you appear on TV they can blame you of using the media.. This witchhunt has to be stopped. On the other hand Thursday they hide behind amending section 112. But why is my question.. It is strange that if you kill someone, make terrible traffic accidents, or deal in drugs, the damage to the victims and their families are much bigger than if you do or say something that can be explained as violating section 112 and the punishments are much severe than the " normal" crimes.. Why not accept the cahnge of section 112 or are all senators and MP's blind/? 

Remember LOS is the land of many Coups so nothing would surprise me, the military just cannot help themselves and they want their snouts firmly in the trough, they have got away with it in the past so why not keep trying!!!

Edited July 11, 2023 by paul1804

[sambum]

"......the political leader’s authorship of four books and asking the Election Commission if this may be construed as the operation of a newspaper under Thailand’s Printing Recordation Act of 2007."

 

Talk about clutching at straws! 

 

You've been beaten - own up - admit it, and let the DEMOCRATIC Government VOTED FOR by the people do their job!

 

 

[MikeandDow]

6 minutes ago, sambum said:

"......the political leader’s authorship of four books and asking the Election Commission if this may be construed as the operation of a newspaper under Thailand’s Printing Recordation Act of 2007."

 

Talk about clutching at straws! 

 

You've been beaten - own up - admit it, and let the DEMOCRATIC Government VOTED FOR by the people do their job!

 

 

Techinical publishing books can be construed as the operation of a media company,

Thai election laws, like virtually all Thai laws, always have some vagueness so that they can be "interpreted" (anyone ever visit Thai immigration?).

dont forget they kicked out a PM for going on a TV cooking show

[sambum]

Just now, MikeandDow said:

Techinical publishing books can be construed as the operation of a media company,

Thai election laws, like virtually all Thai laws, always have some vagueness so that they can be "interpreted" (anyone ever visit Thai immigration?).

dont forget they kicked out a PM for going on a TV cooking show

Ridiculous - not your post - the facts!

 

"(anyone ever visit Thai immigration?)." Yes - many times, and I have learned that on my last 90 day report before my extension is due is to ask for a checklist, and ask (a) Has anything changed since last year?, and (b) Is there anything that is not on this checklist that should be?

Prior to last year, my Immigration Office said that my Bank Book had to be updated within 3 days of coming to Immigration - now it has to be done on the same day!!!

[MikeandDow]

13 minutes ago, sambum said:

Ridiculous - not your post - the facts!

 

"(anyone ever visit Thai immigration?)." Yes - many times, and I have learned that on my last 90 day report before my extension is due is to ask for a checklist, and ask (a) Has anything changed since last year?, and (b) Is there anything that is not on this checklist that should be?

Prior to last year, my Immigration Office said that my Bank Book had to be updated within 3 days of coming to Immigration - now it has to be done on the same day!!!

There you go vagueness in the laws by immigration,  proves my point about Thai laws  each immigration office "interpreted" the laws different

[Bangkok Barry]

7 hours ago, stoner said:

she really won't though. 

Plenty threw more than their knickers in 2010. Central World burned down. Large areas of Siam Square and Victory Monument burned down. Asok junction and Lumpini Park area blocked for weeks. Were you even here in 2010?

[scorecard]

7 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Senators really don't have a good argument to justify undoing the election and denying the will of the people.

 

Better to vote him through, and then use the "System" (courts, commissions) to drive him from office.

 

I mean it took almost zero effort to drive Yingluck from office, by using the Constitutional Court and a dodgy charge about reassigning a security official some three years earlier.

 

 

And you conveniently forget malfearence in the rice marketing activity, for which her minister was jailed for 42 years. 

[Bangkok Barry]

2 hours ago, Jackbenimble said:

Thai peole are apathetic, sure there will be protests but not tens of thousands be a few hundred after a couple of day, zero all forgotten, that is the thai way.

Were you here during the last uprising, that involved hundreds of thousands and lasted many weeks?

[MikeandDow]

7 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Were you here during the last uprising, that involved hundreds of thousands and lasted many weeks?

yes i was but that is completely a diffrent thing and it did not last all that long  top photo about 600 people it involed a couple of hundred  if that dissidents, so dont try to equate this to what might happen now times have changed so have the thai people, as i said Thai peole are apathetic, dont care