Popular Post webfact Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 Move Forward leader loses first vote to become prime minister, opening the way for Peua Thai to take the helm on its own terms BANGKOK – In a largely preordained vote against the popular will, Move Forward Party (MFP) leader Pita Limjaroenrat failed to win enough parliamentary votes to become Thailand’s next and arguably first progressive prime minister. The military-appointed, 249-member Senate and lower house parliamentarians aligned with the outgoing conservative coalition led by coup-maker General Prayut Chan-ocha either abstained or voted down Pita’s bid, which needed to secure at least 375 of 749 votes. The tally saw 324 votes in favor of Pita, 182 against and 199 abstentions. A second vote is scheduled for July 19, at which the second-ranked Peua Thai could, and some insiders say, will likely put forward its top candidate, property tycoon Srettha Thavisin. A third and final vote could take place the following day. The political jockeying is expected to intensify in the days ahead as Pita will need to explain to coalition partners why he believes he can win a second vote after losing today. Many believe the Senate and other conservative MPs would be more willing to vote for the non-confrontational Srettha, who Peua Thai insiders have cast as their “compromise” candidate. By SHAWN W. CRISPIN Full story: https://asiatimes.com/2023/07/thailand-pitas-loss-is-thaksins-gain/ -- © Copyright ASIA TIMES 2023-07-14 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. 1 3 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bannork Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) Oh the irony of the spectre of Prayuth's senators, anti Thaksin to the man, voting for his party's candidate. Will they do it or will they insist MF are removed from the coalition first, either by PT or the court? Edited July 14, 2023 by bannork 1 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2baht Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 12 minutes ago, webfact said: 199 abstentions. Absolutely disgusting! 26 2 10 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post h90 Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 21 minutes ago, bannork said: Oh the irony of the spectre of Prayuth's senators, anti Thaksin to the man, voting for his party's candidate. Will they do it or will they insist MF are removed from the coalition first, either by PT or the court? 13 Senators voted for Pita 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2baht Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, h90 said: 13 Senators voted for Pita 236 did'nt! 8 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tropicalevo Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, h90 said: 13 Senators voted for Pita Soon to be ex-senators? 3 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignok Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Gone. 2nd up next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said: Soon to be ex-senators? they all expire soon, but can't remember when...1 or 2 years 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post anchadian Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, h90 said: they all expire soon, but can't remember when...1 or 2 years May 2024 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted July 14, 2023 Author Share Posted July 14, 2023 Pita loses PM bid, second round of voting to take place next week By Peter Roche The leader of the political party that won the most votes in Thailand’s May 14 general election has failed in his bid to become prime minister after a full day of debate in the Thai parliament yesterday. Move Forward leader Pita Limjaroenrat failed to secure the necessary number of votes from opposition parties or senators appointed by the junta after the 2017 Charter was promulgated. Voting for the country’s next PM kicked off around 4pm yesterday, July 13, with Pita the sole candidate. Nation Thailand reports that voting was carried out openly and the results tallied by a committee of 6 MPs. Voting continued for 2 hours, at which point Parliament conclude that Pita had not secured enough votes to become PM. Full story: https://phuket-go.com/phuket-news/national-news/pita-loses-pm-bid-second-round-of-voting-to-take-place-next-week/ -- © Copyright Phuket GO 2023-07-14 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, anchadian said: May 2024 less than a year...thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr Meeseeks Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 They say people get the government they deserve, and by voting Palang Pracharath at the last election and voting in favour of the last constitution, they've only got themselves to blame for the current situation. 8 1 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, webfact said: Pita loses PM bid, second round of voting to take place next week By Peter Roche The leader of the political party that won the most votes in Thailand’s May 14 general election has failed in his bid to become prime minister after a full day of debate in the Thai parliament yesterday. Move Forward leader Pita Limjaroenrat failed to secure the necessary number of votes from opposition parties or senators appointed by the junta after the 2017 Charter was promulgated. Voting for the country’s next PM kicked off around 4pm yesterday, July 13, with Pita the sole candidate. Nation Thailand reports that voting was carried out openly and the results tallied by a committee of 6 MPs. Voting continued for 2 hours, at which point Parliament conclude that Pita had not secured enough votes to become PM. Full story: https://phuket-go.com/phuket-news/national-news/pita-loses-pm-bid-second-round-of-voting-to-take-place-next-week/ -- © Copyright Phuket GO 2023-07-14 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. don't know why the outcome should be different....there are so many votes missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sirineou Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 I don't know why they even hold a general election. Even though my wife and her sister did not vote for Pita, in a conversation we had yesterday, they both said that if Pita is not PM , they are not wasting their time voting again. I am sure they are the only ones to feel that way. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Just now, Mr Meeseeks said: They say people get the government they deserve, and by voting Palang Pracharath at the last election and voting in favour of the last constitution, they've only got themselves to blame for the current situation. Blame? 72% did not vote for MFP so these 72% won't be sad..... 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted July 14, 2023 Author Share Posted July 14, 2023 Pita fails to secure required support to become PM by Krajangwit Johjit Move Forward Party leader Pita Limjaroenrat has said he remains determined to pursue his bid for the prime minister’s position despite losing in a parliamentary vote. Although Pita fell short of the required threshold by 51 votes, he expressed his party’s intention to re-strategize and gather the necessary support for the next vote, scheduled for next week. Pita, who was unopposed, failed to secure the required support from the 749-member bicameral legislature. Numerous abstentions and votes against him resulted in his falling short of the necessary 375 votes to form a government. Pita’s eight-party alliance currently controls 312 seats in the lower house. Pita won 323 votes in the parliamentary vote, including support from 13 senators out of the 249-member conservative-leaning upper house. 182 legislators voted against him, while 198 abstained. Many senators hold opposition to Move Forward’s anti-establishment agenda, which includes plans to amend a law prohibiting insults against the monarchy and to diminish the military’s role in politics. Despite the setback, Pita expressed his determination and refusal to give up, emphasizing his commitment to gathering more support during this time. The reconvening of legislators next week presents the possibility of a new vote, with indications suggesting that Pita’s name may be resubmitted unless he is disqualified. Source: https://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news/detail/TCATG230714095151526 -- © Copyright NNT 2023-07-14 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stoner Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 anyone who didn't vote or was absent yesterday (without an iron clad reason like imminent death or being held captive by insurgents) should be automatically fired from their position. the number needed should be dropped to reflect those that refused and a new total needed. simple. 8 8 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjo o tjim Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, h90 said: don't know why the outcome should be different....there are so many votes missing Well, if legal issues are "resolved" I think many of the senators will lose cover to abstain. A big part of me thinks that the government might get a clue-stick and realize the potential for serious long-term impact if the popular vote is ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ikke1959 Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 The CC should finish the discussion on the amendment of section 112, as it known that the last time it could be amended in 1956. So it is possible and the CC should verdict that it is the right of MFP to try to amend this article as it is out of date and the reason is prominent because of misuse by the Government. That would give a boost for PITA to become PM... But as usual the CC will take a long time to think and delay and delay and delay as we are used of them. Besides those who are not in the voting session ( 63 yesterday) there places are not being counted and the majority of the vote. To pass 50% +1 is needed of the valid votes. In fact in my country voting for people is always with ballots even in a local footballclub. Only attending MP's can vote .. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, tjo o tjim said: Well, if legal issues are "resolved" I think many of the senators will lose cover to abstain. A big part of me thinks that the government might get a clue-stick and realize the potential for serious long-term impact if the popular vote is ignored. They won't be resolved, but they could nominate some PTP person. That would be more agreeable....PTP may even get BJ on board. But if they have BJ there is not much missing and they could drop MFP...would need votes from either the Dems or the military which would be a hard sell...or they buy out some of the MFP. A lot people believe Anutin get PM....I can't see the logic behind that but it seems many believe it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 25 minutes ago, stoner said: anyone who didn't vote or was absent yesterday (without an iron clad reason like imminent death or being held captive by insurgents) should be automatically fired from their position. the number needed should be dropped to reflect those that refused and a new total needed. simple. firing MPs that don't vote what you want? Democracy North Korea style...... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joseph98765 Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 The word 'democracy' is derived from the Greek word “Demokratia” which is made up of two words: “Demos” meaning people and “Kratia” meaning rule. so finally the "people" don't have any decision to choose their own government... disgusting what happened yesterday!!! 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Purdey Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 Better for MF to push for another election but this time win all the voters they need for a landslide and don't depend on anyone 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stoner Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, h90 said: firing MPs that don't vote what you want? Democracy North Korea style...... they didn't vote. their job yesterday was to vote for the candidate presented. they with held their vote. they didn't preform the duty they were there for. where did i mention it was what i wanted ? fired. 9 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 20 minutes ago, webfact said: The reconvening of legislators next week presents the possibility of a new vote, with indications suggesting that Pita’s name may be resubmitted unless he is disqualified. I think Pita candidancy for PM will be re-submitted for the next voting session unless the Charter Court make 2 big annoucements before 19 July. If the Court announced that they will accept the case forwarded by EC on the iTV shares and also accept EC recommendation to strip his MP status, it will weakened his votes. It can lead to prison time and party dissolution. The other announcement will be detrimental for his own personal safety as the court has accepted a compliant filed by a lawyer against Pita for his plans to reform 112. This is 112 case will be a major obstacle as the senators used this effectively in yesterday debate and had major influence on the senates and opposition MPs voting decisions. Although Pita can still run for Prime Minister, the overhang legal jeopardies may influence the coalition to make decision to nominate an alternate which is most likely K Sretha seen as a more moderate candidate. There are backroom deals for BJT and PPRP to vote for him. I don't think the pro-democracy coalition will break off. Just too much to lose for PTP to join with the junta parties. A coalition with the junta is a big betrayal for the Red Shirts stalwarts who fought for them and also a big letdown for the young pro democracy voters who will be the major voting block in 4 years. Better heads will rule within the coalition and especially with MFP who will still take a good portion of the ministerial positions while bidding their time to re-organize for the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pomchop Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 I know there are lots of taksin haters about on the forum but in my opinion the coup performed in the middle of the night while he was out of Thailand gave the military the confidence that they could and would and should take power and use all means possible to keep it...get rid of the hugely popular taksin, get rid of sister, get rid of any and all that dare to challenge the generals....taksin was certainly not perfect but at least he got elected unlike the coup plotters who it seems have now rigged the system to the point that the voters desire is an inconvenient annoyance. Sooner or later a newer generation of generals will overthrow the current bunch of dictator wannabes as they will want their turn at the trough. I miss Taksin, with all his faults, he was better than the coup crew. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Enzian Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) Couldn't he have kept some of his policy intentions to himself until he was settled in office? Assuming he was serious? I'm not saying he has been wrong, but that one thing has been a no-win and red cape to a red bull (no pun intended) with the large conservative elements of the country--even if his proposal is very mild in its extent. Edited July 14, 2023 by Enzian typo 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 29 minutes ago, stoner said: they didn't vote. their job yesterday was to vote for the candidate presented. they with held their vote. they didn't preform the duty they were there for. where did i mention it was what i wanted ? fired. Please read a bit how parliaments work..... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Conditions looking to have the possibility of heading to another one of those coup thingies? Who was the general who said there will no coup on his watch? Not Prayuth, the most recent one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stoner Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, h90 said: Please read a bit how parliaments work..... please don't include thailand in that. an appointed parliament (250 senators) is not the same. 7 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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