Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

[Chomper Higgot]

30 minutes ago, riclag said:

I expect Trump to get convicted by the Dc court by a bias jury who vote 90% dem and a judge that already ruled against Trump in a prior matter . Al of this will get a fast track emergency 

appeal rejecting the Dc courts conviction!imop

 

 

Do you think the fact that the DOJ has built the case against trump on witness testimony given by Republicans, members of Trump’s hand picked administration and his own family might play a part in Trump being convicted?

[Scott]

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[nauseus]

49 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Rule of law? Support for the Constitution?

 

That's what I expect, especially from a sitting POTUS.  Apparently that bar was just too high for trump.

 

He shall now pay the price.

 

Personally, I'd like to see capital charges, and if convicted, execution.

 

Strange reply to my comment but expected, I suppose.

[Walker88]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do you think the fact that the DOJ has built the case against trump on witness testimony given by Republicans, members of Trump’s hand picked administration and his own family might play a part in Trump being convicted?

Folks here arguing it is some sort of Dem conspiracy ought to read the indictment and see who the witnesses were...

 

VP Mike Pence, whom I believe has an (R) next to his name

Chief of Staff Mark Meadows

The (R) SecState of Georgia

The (R) Speaker of the House in AZ

trumps own appointed White House lawyers

 

The list goes on....and virtually every one of them is (R) and/or a trump appointee.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Folks here arguing it is some sort of Dem conspiracy ought to read the indictment and see who the witnesses were...

 

VP Mike Pence, whom I believe has an (R) next to his name

Chief of Staff Mark Meadows

The (R) SecState of Georgia

The (R) Speaker of the House in AZ

trumps own appointed White House lawyers

 

The list goes on....and virtually every one of them is (R) and/or a trump appointee.

All the best people!

[Walker88]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Strange reply to my comment but expected, I suppose.

Yes, i'm one of those 'strange' guys who expects a POTUS to honor his oath to support, protect and defend the Constitution, not try to subvert it and destroy what millions of people much better than trump could ever be fought to defend.

 

It will remain an eternal puzzle that so many Americans are so ignorant of the Constitution, and so gullible and susceptible to Snake Oil salesmen, that they can think the criminal trump is anything more than a lowlife.

 

Of course, I appreciate the poorly educated and addled brain types---like his QAnon, Incel, Nazi, white supremacist cult base---have great difficulty understanding concepts like rule of law or democracy. When I need to consider why I pull out the IQ Bell Curve and see how much space there is a standard deviation or two left of the mean. It is from those Birth Lottery losers where trump pulls his sycophants.

 

[Tug]

I’ve read the thread from beginning till now it’s encouraging to me to se 95% of responses are in support of rule of law and democracy perhaps after all these years citizen trump will be healed accountable for his actions i for one sincerely hope so!still though the MAGA faithful grovel and blubber and sob at the feet of their cartoon hero,as the republican politicians grovel in terror at the thought of their creation say something negative about them.sad the once proud and great Republican Party has come to this but this to will come to pass and hopefully we will be the better for it!

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, Expat4life66 said:

If it ever got to trial, hung jury, what a waste of government resources, deflection from old man bidens sexcapades  with ashley

Deflection you say.

[Expat4life66]

14 minutes ago, Expat4life66 said:

 

It's a waste of time from a prosecutor that is using an unproven no precident and wants to cash in something and write a book, you are not a judge and certainly not a jury, your man bigen sold pqy for play to the Chinese and Russians, relax 

 

[alex8912]

6 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Got some examples that were not mistakes that were later cleared up?

 

A reputable news organization rectifies its mistakes, FOX News rarely, if ever, does.

I have zero comments about Fox. Why the deflection? 

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, Expat4life66 said:

It's a waste of time from a prosecutor that is using an unproven no precident and wants to cash in something and write a book, you are not a judge and certainly not a jury, your man bigen sold pqy for play to the Chinese and Russians, relax 

 

You are not rational, and since it was a no alcohol day, your excuse for that drivel cannot be that you were drunk.

[Foexie]

hope finaly somebody locks up this moron so he can be somebodies bitchas for many years

[candide]

1 hour ago, Foexie said:

hope finaly somebody locks up this moron so he can be somebodies bitchas for many years

Nah... the Aryan Brotherhood will protect him! ????

[Scott]

Posts and replies removed for being off-topic or trolling. 

 

[Lacessit]

14 hours ago, bignok said:

The whole thing is political. They waited 3 years.

As a first year law student, you should know it takes time to assemble a case for the prosecution. Jack Smith was not appointed special prosecutor until 2022. Your 3 years is incorrect.

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[riclag]

“Former President Donald Trump's latest four-count indictment relating to the 2020 election's aftermath will not come close to fulfilling Democrats' dreams of prohibiting the Republican front-runner from attaining high office again, a top law professor told Fox News”.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-indictment-wont-fulfill-democrats-ineligibility-bedtime-story-smith-stretched-law-legal-experts

 This interview with J. Turley law professor and A.McCarthy former US attorney who imop is anti Trump and objected to much of Trumps rhetoric during his election loss  seems to concur with Turley!

 

All thats needed is Dershowitz expert opinion .

"There is no smoking gun. There is no one who is credibly prepared to testify that Donald Trump said to them, ‘I know personally I lost the election’. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/jack-smith-indicted-for-stupidity-latest-trump-charges-legal-analyst

 

So its more political persecution by the opposition candidate justice department who hired Jack Smith as a 

special prosecutor to investigate Trump.imop

[Tug]

14 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

“Former President Donald Trump's latest four-count indictment relating to the 2020 election's aftermath will not come close to fulfilling Democrats' dreams of prohibiting the Republican front-runner from attaining high office again, a top law professor told Fox News”.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-indictment-wont-fulfill-democrats-ineligibility-bedtime-story-smith-stretched-law-legal-experts

 This interview with J. Turley law professor and A.McCarthy former US attorney who imop is anti Trump and objected to much of Trumps rhetoric during his election loss  seems to concur with Turley!

 

All thats needed is Dershowitz expert opinion .

"There is no smoking gun. There is no one who is credibly prepared to testify that Donald Trump said to them, ‘I know personally I lost the election’. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/jack-smith-indicted-for-stupidity-latest-trump-charges-legal-analyst

 

So its more political persecution by the opposition candidate justice department who hired Jack Smith as a 

special prosecutor to investigate Trump.imop

Aww come on I’m a simple lay person it’s been so obvious trump tryed to steal the election so obvious he egged on the mob and sent them to disrupt congress it’s not political what’s happening to trump it’s because of the painfully obvious with his own words and deeds he  did.I’m just angry it’s taken so long as he’s continued to troll grift and damage our country.There is nothing political about it it simply the law finally being brought to bear so stop blubbering if you can’t do the time don’t do the crime 

[candide]

21 Donald Trump election lies listed in his new indictment

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/02/politics/trump-indictment-lies/index.html

 

"Even in listing 21 lies, the 45-page indictment does not come close to capturing the entirety of Trump’s massive catalogue of false claims about the election. But the list is illustrative nonetheless – highlighting the breadth of election-related topics Trump was dishonest about, the large number of states his election dishonesty spanned, and, critically, his willingness to persist in privately and publicly making dishonest assertions even after they had been debunked to him directly."

[pomchop]

32 minutes ago, Tug said:

Aww come on I’m a simple lay person it’s been so obvious trump tryed to steal the election so obvious he egged on the mob and sent them to disrupt congress it’s not political what’s happening to trump it’s because of the painfully obvious with his own words and deeds he  did.I’m just angry it’s taken so long as he’s continued to troll grift and damage our country.There is nothing political about it it simply the law finally being brought to bear so stop blubbering if you can’t do the time don’t do the crime 

It's called common sense.

 

For anyone who actually bothered to read the indictment the thing that will jump out at you is almost every single fact alleged in the 45 page indictment was provided by REPUBLICAN's most of whom voted for Trump and were very much hoping he would win.  But when push came to shove they saw clearly that he did not win and that he was pushing the big lie to try and retain power.  He suggested very strongly that they all go along with him but time after time on state and federal level they said NO.  There is no evidence of election fraud , we have reviewed it all over and over  and we will not participate in lying to say that we found any of the alleged fraud.

 

Trumpers who still try and claim it is all some big democrat conspiracy need to READ the indictment and please by all means share with everyone every witness statement supporting the allegations is by anyone OTHER than a republican trumper.  Common sense.  Do the crime and leave a long trail of  your own supporters aas witnesses, documents, video, audio and you will get indicted.

 

And of course I know already that hard core trumpers will come up with some what about biden, what about hillary, all these republicans who are witnessses are all lying or involved in some massive democrat conspiracy to pick on poor little donnie who is as pure as fallen snow.  Spare me please.

[Jingthing]

The case is the United States of America (democracy) vs. Donald J. Trump (dictatorship).

Pick a side. 

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

The case is the United States of America (democracy) vs. Donald J. Trump (dictatorship).

Pick a side. 

Then pick a jury who will actually decide what's what.

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12 hours ago, bignok said:

Reads like waffle. FBI admitted they had zip.

False. Mueller said there were 10 counts he could have prosecuted Trump for were it not for the fact that the Justice Dept. prohibits bringing criminal cases against a sitting President.

[Tug]

I wonder if they are going to yank his passport tomorrow better yet fit him with an ankle bracelet lmao ???? he’d turn from orange to red rite quick I guarantee it!wouldn't it be wonderful if at long last after the ordeal he’s put us through that he trades his gold toilet in for a stainless steel one with attached sink (prison potty) 

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

 

“Former President Donald Trump's latest four-count indictment relating to the 2020 election's aftermath will not come close to fulfilling Democrats' dreams of prohibiting the Republican front-runner from attaining high office again, a top law professor told Fox News”.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-indictment-wont-fulfill-democrats-ineligibility-bedtime-story-smith-stretched-law-legal-experts

 This interview with J. Turley law professor and A.McCarthy former US attorney who imop is anti Trump and objected to much of Trumps rhetoric during his election loss  seems to concur with Turley!

 

All thats needed is Dershowitz expert opinion .

"There is no smoking gun. There is no one who is credibly prepared to testify that Donald Trump said to them, ‘I know personally I lost the election’. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/jack-smith-indicted-for-stupidity-latest-trump-charges-legal-analyst

 

So its more political persecution by the opposition candidate justice department who hired Jack Smith as a 

special prosecutor to investigate Trump.imop

I would question the 'expert opinion' of Turley and Dershowitz, they are both paid presenters for Fox News, a proven source of conspiracy theories and misinformation.

 

Both defended Trump's first impeachment and encouraged and enabled Trump to re-offend a second time for the second January 6th Insurrection Impeachment.

 

They have also enabled the multiple crimes that the thrice-indicted criminal defendant and proven sexual predator now faces and obviously want him to continue unabated.

 

Dershowitz in particular also enabled long time friend Jeffery Epstein in his 2008 case to continue in re-offending with his underage sexual predator activities.

 

To the lesser critical thinkers, this cabal of Trump and his sycophants could have been a template for the far-right Pizzagate conspiracy theories.

 

[nauseus]

9 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Yes, i'm one of those 'strange' guys who expects a POTUS to honor his oath to support, protect and defend the Constitution, not try to subvert it and destroy what millions of people much better than trump could ever be fought to defend.

 

It will remain an eternal puzzle that so many Americans are so ignorant of the Constitution, and so gullible and susceptible to Snake Oil salesmen, that they can think the criminal trump is anything more than a lowlife.

 

Of course, I appreciate the poorly educated and addled brain types---like his QAnon, Incel, Nazi, white supremacist cult base---have great difficulty understanding concepts like rule of law or democracy. When I need to consider why I pull out the IQ Bell Curve and see how much space there is a standard deviation or two left of the mean. It is from those Birth Lottery losers where trump pulls his sycophants.

 

I think you just like a soap box.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, pomchop said:

It's called common sense.

 

For anyone who actually bothered to read the indictment the thing that will jump out at you is almost every single fact alleged in the 45 page indictment was provided by REPUBLICAN's most of whom voted for Trump and were very much hoping he would win.  But when push came to shove they saw clearly that he did not win and that he was pushing the big lie to try and retain power.  He suggested very strongly that they all go along with him but time after time on state and federal level they said NO.  There is no evidence of election fraud , we have reviewed it all over and over  and we will not participate in lying to say that we found any of the alleged fraud.

 

Trumpers who still try and claim it is all some big democrat conspiracy need to READ the indictment and please by all means share with everyone every witness statement supporting the allegations is by anyone OTHER than a republican trumper.  Common sense.  Do the crime and leave a long trail of  your own supporters aas witnesses, documents, video, audio and you will get indicted.

 

And of course I know already that hard core trumpers will come up with some what about biden, what about hillary, all these republicans who are witnessses are all lying or involved in some massive democrat conspiracy to pick on poor little donnie who is as pure as fallen snow.  Spare me please.

Why should you be spared? 

[Tanlic]

If anyone thinks this will see the inside of a courtroom in may forget it. This like Russia Russia Russia will end up a nothingburger. His lawyers will delay it until after the 2024 election.

 

The whole thing is to deflect the public attention away from the real criminals. 

 

Once again the media are controlling the sheep of America. The same media that conned the American people while Joe sat in a bunker eating Choc chip ice cram and was hardly seen in the public eye yet somehow became president.

 

The  Election was stolen ok but not in the way Trump said but by the worlds most dishonest biased media.

 

This Hunter/Joe Biden saga would be front page news of every rag and newstation in the uk no matter which party their leaders were with but in American the Clintons and The Bidens are protected and if you can't see that you really do need a reality check.

 

An Example: A huge story: The President of the USA is being accused of taking bribes and selling out his country BUT go find the story on MSNBC one of the nations biggest news companies. Or how about CNN......Trump news before these indictments was found on the front page but the Biden story hidden away in the politics section.

 

Be in denial if you like but the Election that put that dummy Biden in charge was rigged by people like Soros and the fake news media.

 

Trump wass doing great things for America and the first thing Joe Biden was instructed to do was tear down everything Trump had done.

 

America immeditaly lost people their lives in Afghanastan Putin with Trump gone attacks Ukraine Little rocket man starts playing with his toys again the world is in chaos thousands dying and even in sunny Thailand the cost of living has gone up more athan at any time oin the last 20 years thanks to Biden messing everything up.

 

However not even the sheep can be conned agin and Trump will become President again IMO.......if not i seriously question the sanity of the American people.

 

 

[nauseus]

13 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

I would question the 'expert opinion' of Turley and Dershowitz, they are both paid presenters for Fox News, a proven source of conspiracy theories and misinformation.

 

Both defended Trump's first impeachment and encouraged and enabled Trump to re-offend a second time for the second January 6th Insurrection Impeachment.

 

They have also enabled the multiple crimes that the thrice-indicted criminal defendant and proven sexual predator now faces and obviously want him to continue unabated.

 

Dershowitz in particular also enabled long time friend Jeffery Epstein in his 2008 case to continue in re-offending with his underage sexual predator activities.

 

To the lesser critical thinkers, this cabal of Trump and his sycophants could have been a template for the far-right Pizzagate conspiracy theories.

 

Enabled this. Enabled that.

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, Tanlic said:

If anyone thinks this will see the inside of a courtroom in may forget it. This like Russia Russia Russia will end up a nothingburger. His lawyers will delay it until after the 2024 election.

 

The whole thing is to deflect the public attention away from the real criminals. 

 

Once again the media are controlling the sheep of America. The same media that conned the American people while Joe sat in a bunker eating Choc chip ice cram and was hardly seen in the public eye yet somehow became president.

 

The  Election was stolen ok but not in the way Trump said but by the worlds most dishonest biased media.

 

This Hunter/Joe Biden saga would be front page news of every rag and newstation in the uk no matter which party their leaders were with but in American the Clintons and The Bidens are protected and if you can't see that you really do need a reality check.

 

An Example: A huge story: The President of the USA is being accused of taking bribes and selling out his country BUT go find the story on MSNBC one of the nations biggest news companies. Or how about CNN......Trump news before these indictments was found on the front page but the Biden story hidden away in the politics section.

 

Be in denial if you like but the Election that put that dummy Biden in charge was rigged by people like Soros and the fake news media.

 

Trump wass doing great things for America and the first thing Joe Biden was instructed to do was tear down everything Trump had done.

 

America immeditaly lost people their lives in Afghanastan Putin with Trump gone attacks Ukraine Little rocket man starts playing with his toys again the world is in chaos thousands dying and even in sunny Thailand the cost of living has gone up more athan at any time oin the last 20 years thanks to Biden messing everything up.

 

However not even the sheep can be conned agin and Trump will become President again IMO.......if not i seriously question the sanity of the American people.

 

 

Interesting read. That should wake the birds! 

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45 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

I would question the 'expert opinion' of Turley and Dershowitz, they are both paid presenters for Fox News, a proven source of conspiracy theories and misinformation.

 

Both defended Trump's first impeachment and encouraged and enabled Trump to re-offend a second time for the second January 6th Insurrection Impeachment.

 

They have also enabled the multiple crimes that the thrice-indicted criminal defendant and proven sexual predator now faces and obviously want him to continue unabated.

 

Dershowitz in particular also enabled long time friend Jeffery Epstein in his 2008 case to continue in re-offending with his underage sexual predator activities.

 

To the lesser critical thinkers, this cabal of Trump and his sycophants could have been a template for the far-right Pizzagate conspiracy theories.

 

They also supported Eileen Cannon's decision to appoint a special master in the Trump case. Among all prominent legal experts liberal and conservative  they were virtually alone in their support. They also both fought that John Durham had brought strong cases. Again, most legal experts believed the prosecutions case in both instances were very weak.