Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

[Berkshire]

3 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

RINO'S

Ah, I see.  VP Pence, Bill Barr, Mark Meadows, et al....RINOs.  But hey, Trump only hires the best people. 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, ICU Kid said:

I know.  Trump's awful - well beyond the pale for sure.

 

Biden's just as dirty though, but your 'edjumication'/brainwashing + Red tinted glasses don't allow you to see it

Wake me up when they start resigning over scandals and being indicted. Then I'll probably see it. Until then I don't see it (no evidence).

[xylophone]

16 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

I got you Trav...

 

If you can get your head around the fact that BlackRock manage (and thus 'own' by proxy) huge shares of ALL major US (and many global) companies - and that they control and exercise those voting rights to instigate & steer those company's policies - all of the woke policies being implemented make perfect sense.

 

WEF affiliated BlackRock are one of 2 'masters of the universe' organisations - 

the other is the NY Fed Reserve (whose shareholders are JPM, BNY, BoA etc.).

 

WEF/ BlackRock / YellenBiden Treasury want CBDCs

The Fed (owned by the 5 big US Banks) want to retain the $

 

Whoever wins this battle controls ALL.

 

Exciting stuff

This sounds like the old "Rabbit hole" nonsense that the conspiracy theory nuts were putting around a while back, and there are some dumb people out there who believe it. Pizza with a baby topping anyone?

 

Never ceases to amaze me how easily led/gullible some people can be.

 

You should be a writer for "Masters of the Universe" or something similar because this stuff is surely space cadet material. I feel so sorry for you.

[earlinclaifornia]

5 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

Trumpo isn't really a republican - he represents Trump.

 

The Republicrat Uniparty *ALL* hate Trumpo as they're scrared he'll

actually 'drain their swamp'. 

What would be the point of being a politician if you can't do insider trading etc.????

 

He terrifies ALL of your Demopublican grifters because they know he's NOT one of them (though he's of course VERY dodgy).

 

Trump needs to be written back into the plotline.  He's a great character for casual observers of Clown World

 

I very recent poll with Trump at 54 and DeSantis at 16 ranking as "Fun". Same as the support ratio.

Trump Crushing DeSantis and GOP Rivals, Times/Siena Poll Finds - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

[ICU Kid]

1 minute ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I very recent poll with Trump at 54 and DeSantis at 16 ranking as "Fun". Same as the support ratio.

Trump Crushing DeSantis and GOP Rivals, Times/Siena Poll Finds - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Uwotmate?

 

Trumpo isn't really a republican - he represents Trump.

 

The Republicrat Uniparty *ALL* hate Trumpo as they're scrared he'll

actually 'drain their swamp'. 

What would be the point of being a politician if you can't do insider trading etc.????

 

He terrifies ALL of your Demopublican grifters because they know he's NOT one of them (though he's of course VERY dodgy).

 

Trump needs to be written back into the plotline.  He's a great character for casual observers of Clown World

 

 

[Rimmer]

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[Woof999]

2 hours ago, bignok said:

He is far left.

Far left of Trump that's for sure. Likely much closed to centre though, if that can any longer be defined.

[ozimoron]

Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen outlines evidence that Jared Kushner flipped

 

You see nothing of Jared Kushner. Jared Kushner was the secretary of everything. How is it possible that he is not listed here? Asked how he explains that, Cohen said, "I believe he is probably a cooperating witness."

 

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-2662682312/

 

 

[Danderman123]

58 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

That isn't democracy, no matter how you try to make it seem so. The case is the Democrats against Trump.

You are clearly not paying attention to current events.

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, CharlieKo said:

That isn't democracy, no matter how you try to make it seem so. The case is the Democrats against Trump.

Actually, I think it's more Republicans against Trump. All of the witnesses are Republican.

[heybruce]

32 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

I know.  Trump's awful - well beyond the pale for sure.

 

Biden's just as dirty though, but your 'edjumication'/brainwashing + Red tinted glasses don't allow you to see it

Sure.  And your being out of touch with reality prevents you from presenting evidence to support your claims.

[ThailandRyan]

2 hours ago, bignok said:

Hillary lied about the 2016 election. Refused to accept it.

 

The others all had classified papers.

 

 

Not even close to the same thing. Nobody stormed the capital to ensure she was put in office, as Trumps followers were told to do, now did they. Classified documents which were returned to the National archives when found and not hidden and moved to keep them from being taken while also having a lawyer claim all had been returned.  Your out in the weeds, time to take a mulligan and try again from the fairway.

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, CharlieKo said:

That isn't democracy, no matter how you try to make it seem so. The case is the Democrats against Trump.

You better come out from the dark cave in the basement your in and look at the true facts.  Facts which are not of the Dem's making.  Is the indictment fictitious to you, or do you believe Donnies call to head to the Capital on January 6th because it will be "Wild" never happened, and he never asked someone to find him votes or make fake electors.........Your oblivious to the reality of things.  Your acting like a kid caught on film stealing from the cookie jar and then denying it ever happened.

[BarraMarra]

Lets be honest the guys a liar a cheat and a sore loser. Never mind all the charges against him he has been Impeached twice as well.

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, CharlieKo said:

That isn't democracy, no matter how you try to make it seem so. The case is the Democrats against Trump.

Perhaps you missed this, which are the witnesses whose testimony has been key to the indictment:

 

Former Vice President Mike Pence

Former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows

Pence aides Greg Jacob and Marc Short

Former White House deputy chief of staff Dan Scavino

Former White House speechwriter Stephen Miller

Former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani

Trump attorney and adviser Boris Epshteyn

Former White House counsel Pat Cipollone

Former Department of Homeland Security official Ken Cuccinelli

Former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich

Chairman of the Nevada Republican Party Michael McDonald

Former White House aide Nick Luna

Former White House personnel director John McEntee

Former Trump campaign deputy director Gary Michael Brown

"Stop the Steal" organizer Ali Alexander

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger

 

All of them are Republicans. Most were selected by the twice impeached, thrice indicted, convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster and 6-time bankrupt trump.

 

Best to load up on Kleenex, because maga-tears will be flooding the streets.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Patience, grasshopper. The fatboy is going down, because he has no AG to isolate him from the law, as he had with sessions, whitaker and barr.

 

Oh, and you are welcome to try to answer the questions posed...

 

Why did donny call his goobers to DC and encourage them to 'march to the Capitol', 'fight like hell', and 'take back our country'?

 

Why did the wedding planner trump need TS/SCI, SAP, Codeword, HCS and RD docs at his country club?

Grasshopper! So sweet.

[Walker88]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Grasshopper! So sweet.

Obviously you have nothing of value to add, and certainly no defense of your messiah.

 

Another thing that is puzzling...do trumpers know that trump himself considers all of his cult losers? trump worships successful people, celebrities, and most of all wealthy people. His cult is almost solely poorly educated, unsuccessful, below average income, below average intelligence, losers. They're the forlorn, the forgotten, the mediocre, the meaningless. They try to live vicariously through him, even collecting his NFTs that pretend he's brave and physically sculpted, when he's an abject coward and has the body composition of Jabba the Hut. He's gathered the Incels, the Neo Nazis, the racists, the white supremacists, and all those who are incapable of accepting responsibility for their own life failures. Drawing from the autocrats handbook, trump gave them an excuse. He gave them "others" to blame. He lies and tells them they are something they are not and never can be, and they buy his absurdist pabulum because they need it. To see themselves clearly for the losers they are is too much for them to take. If trump goes away, they have nothing left in life. He was their only hope, even if it was a false one, concocted merely to exploit their weakness and get their support.

[candide]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen outlines evidence that Jared Kushner flipped

 

You see nothing of Jared Kushner. Jared Kushner was the secretary of everything. How is it possible that he is not listed here? Asked how he explains that, Cohen said, "I believe he is probably a cooperating witness."

 

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-2662682312/

 

 

Tu quoque Jared mi! 

[LosLobo]

19 minutes ago, candide said:

Tu quoque Jared mi! 

Even after the pardon for his convict Dad and the gift of $2 Billion from MBS.

Apud fures non est honor!

[Walker88]

Here's what the twice impeached, thrice indicted, convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster, 6-time bankrupt trump faces if convicted of just the charges in the initial 3 indictments:

[Danderman123]

Trump claims the election was stolen, via the manufacture of votes for Biden.

 

Anyone who has worked as an elector knows that vote manufacture is easy to prove - every vote comes from a precinct, and it is trivial to trace any vote back to the precinct, and compare against the poll book (if the voter voted in person).

 

As for absentee ballots, if they are pre-printed fakes, then the risk would be that some people who actually mailed in their ballots would also have pre-printed ballots in their name. In other words, an easily discoverable mess.

[Walker88]

From the 6 January rally on the mall, the video:

 

trump: "If Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election"

 

Obviously what trump means by 'the right thing' is to subvert democracy and disavow the certified results of the election.

 

Later, trump criticized Pence for not following trump's demand.

 

From page 33 of the indictment:

 

trump: "You're too honest"

 

That statement by trump shows trump knew he lost, but was trying to subvert the system by whatever means possible.

[ThailandRyan]

The terrible news for Trump is that his spectacle seems to be reverberating amongst Federal Judges, even retired ones, who feel the need to admonish Trump.

 

A conservative former federal judge said Trump 'has cynically chosen to inflict this embarrassing spectacle on the Nation' following his indictment (msn.com)

 

A conservative former federal judge admonished former President Donald Trump on Twitter after a new federal indictment was unsealed against him on Tuesday.

 

Former Judge J. Michael Luttig said it's both "tragic and regrettable" that Trump chose to "inflict this embarrassing spectacle on the nation."

 

Luttig previously acted as an informal adviser to Vice President Mike Pence.

[candide]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

The terrible news for Trump is that his spectacle seems to be reverberating amongst Federal Judges, even retired ones, who feel the need to admonish Trump.

 

A conservative former federal judge said Trump 'has cynically chosen to inflict this embarrassing spectacle on the Nation' following his indictment (msn.com)

 

A conservative former federal judge admonished former President Donald Trump on Twitter after a new federal indictment was unsealed against him on Tuesday.

 

Former Judge J. Michael Luttig said it's both "tragic and regrettable" that Trump chose to "inflict this embarrassing spectacle on the nation."

 

Luttig previously acted as an informal adviser to Vice President Mike Pence.

More embarassing spectacle! ????

"I feel badly for Mike Pence, who is attracting no crowds, enthusiasm, or loyalty from people who, as a member of the Trump Administration, should be loving him," Trump wrote. "He didn’t fight against Election Fraud, which we will now be easily able to prove based on the most recent Fake Indictment & information which will have to be made available to us, finally ― a really BIG deal. The V.P. had power that Mike didn’t understand, but after the Election, the RINOS & Dems changed the law, taking that power away!"

https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-fires-back-mike-222643958.html

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Obviously you have nothing of value to add, and certainly no defense of your messiah.

 

Another thing that is puzzling...do trumpers know that trump himself considers all of his cult losers? trump worships successful people, celebrities, and most of all wealthy people. His cult is almost solely poorly educated, unsuccessful, below average income, below average intelligence, losers. They're the forlorn, the forgotten, the mediocre, the meaningless. They try to live vicariously through him, even collecting his NFTs that pretend he's brave and physically sculpted, when he's an abject coward and has the body composition of Jabba the Hut. He's gathered the Incels, the Neo Nazis, the racists, the white supremacists, and all those who are incapable of accepting responsibility for their own life failures. Drawing from the autocrats handbook, trump gave them an excuse. He gave them "others" to blame. He lies and tells them they are something they are not and never can be, and they buy his absurdist pabulum because they need it. To see themselves clearly for the losers they are is too much for them to take. If trump goes away, they have nothing left in life. He was their only hope, even if it was a false one, concocted merely to exploit their weakness and get their support.

You claim that I have nothing of value to add then immediately invent this worthless, hateful gibberish? No so sweet after all, I see.

 

[Walker88]

21 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You claim that I have nothing of value to add then immediately invent this worthless, hateful gibberish? No so sweet after all, I see.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Who gets the votes of Incels?

Who gets the votes of NeoNazis?

Who gets the votes of QAnon?

Who gets the votes of white supremacists?

 

The demographics of 2016 were captured by polling firms. You can Google it.

 

trump won 85% of all US Counties. HRC won 15%.

 

trump's 85% combined account for 38% of total US GDP. The 15% HRC won account for 62% of US GDP. That means HRC counties are 9.25 times more productive than trump counties.

 

The States trump won have some of the highest 'take' from the Federal Govt (taxes paid vs Federal spending/aid). trump has a monopoly on States with the highest per capita social security disability insurance recipients (WV, KY, TN) as well as States with the highest per capita opioid addiction (WV, OH)

 

The highest net contributors to the Federal coffers are Blue States won by HRC in 2016 and Biden in 2020 (NY, CA, MA, NJ)

 

If you say 'hateful', I agree. trump tried to overthrow democracy and subvert the election, something decent people have fought and sacrificed for for 250 years. His goobers couldn't care less about democracy, rule of law, nor freedom.

 

Look at his "good people....on both sides", where one side carried tikitorches and chanted "Jews will not replace us". Look at his goobers on 6 January..."Camp Auschwitz" t-shirts, beating cops, gassing cops, <deleted>ting on the floor of the Capitol. Yes, I hate them.

 

My feeling about trumpers is some combination of pity, contempt and disgust. They have no understanding of what the ideals and goals of the US are. That they support the convicted sex offender and convicted charity fraudster after those convictions, plus his obvious guilt trying to strongarm Zelenskyy (only saved by partisan hacks), that they support his theft of highly classified documents and his willful and deceitful retention of those docs, and that they were dumb enough to buy his Big Lie and engage in terrorism against the US Capitol is disgusting.

 

You call this 'gibberish', while rational and sane people call it truth.

 

You cannot defend him, because he is guilty as sin.

Edited August 3, 2023 by Walker88

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Who gets the votes of Incels?

Who gets the votes of NeoNazis?

Who gets the votes of QAnon?

Who gets the votes of white supremacists?

 

The demographics of 2016 were captured by polling firms. You can Google it.

 

trump won 85% of all US Counties. HRC won 15%.

 

trump's 85% combined account for 38% of total US GDP. The 15% HRC won account for 62% of US GDP. That means HRC counties are 9.25 times more productive than trump counties.

 

The States trump won have some of the highest 'take' from the Federal Govt (taxes paid vs Federal spending/aid). trump has a monopoly on States with the highest per capita social security disability insurance recipients (WV, KY, TN) as well as States with the highest per capita opioid addiction (WV, OH)

 

The highest net contributors to the Federal coffers are Blue States won by HRC in 2016 and Biden in 2020 (NY, CA, MA, NJ)

 

If you say 'hateful', I agree. trump tried to overthrow democracy and subvert the election, something decent people have fought and sacrificed for for 250 years. His goobers couldn't care less about democracy, rule of law, nor freedom.

 

My feeling about trumpers is some combination of pity, contempt and disgust. They have no understanding of what the ideals and goals of the US are. That they support the convicted sex offender and convicted charity fraudster after those convictions, plus his obvious guilt trying to strongarm Zelenskyy (only saved by partisan hacks), that they support his theft of highly classified documents and his willful and deceitful retention of those docs, and that they were dumb enough to buy his Big Lie and engage in terrorism against the US Capitol is disgusting.

 

You call this 'gibberish', while rational and sane people call it truth.

 

You cannot defend him, because he is guilty as sin.

Collecting all this trash together must be exhausting. 

 

I almost feel sorry for you.

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4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Collecting all this trash together must be exhausting. 

 

I almost feel sorry for you.

Well, yours is one way of waving the white flag.

[Walker88]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Collecting all this trash together must be exhausting. 

 

I almost feel sorry for you.

So facts are trash, eh? Maybe you have "alternative facts" like kellyanne conway. Maybe on the anniversary of the Boiling Green Massacre (sic) you lower your Confederate Flag on your pickup to half mast?

 

You cannot refute what I write, because no one can refute facts. You also cannot defend the traitor to US democracy, trump.

[Tug]

7 hours ago, watthong said:

Yeah, proof that their brains has turned to mush.  Hard to detox oneself, if ever,  from Trump kool-aid.

It wouldn’t surprise me on bit if some are (farm workers) if you catch my drift doing what they can at the behest of America’s enemies