Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

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6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Spoken like a true Democrat.

 

Free Speech for Me but Not for Thee

The American right has lost the plot on free speech. The passage of Florida’s House Bill 1557, which bans “classroom instruction” on “sexual orientation and gender identity” in kindergarten through third grade and in a manner that isn’t “age appropriate or developmentally appropriate” in all grades, K–12, is merely the latest in a string of what the free-speech-advocacy organization PEN America has called “education gag orders” that have been proposed by Republicans and passed by red-state legislatures from coast to coast.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/republican-dont-say-gay-bill-florida/629516/

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

I don't know if you realize it, but all you're doing is tacitly admitting that you don't even understand what Russian interference in the 2016 US presidential election means.

His comment is funny and illustrative at the same time. The Russian disinformation campaign depended on low information voters. 

[xylophone]

47 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Even if Hunter, who is a private citizen, is a slimeball, what does that have to do with trump trying to overthrow American democracy?

 

Let's play the maggots favorite game of Whataboutism....

 

How about jr and eric heading off to the UAE, India, etc., trying to peddle the family name while daddy is POTUS? How about ivanka applying for and getting 36 trademarks in China while 'serving' as a SPecial Advisor to POTUS? How about the 'coincidence' of jared, while also a Special Advisor, getting $1.3 billion in funding from the govt of Qatar, for jared's $700 million 666 Fifth Ave white elephant....at a time when Qatar was being sanctioned by the USG, but had the sanctions removed two weeks after jared secured the financing?

 

Oh, how about jared going into the russian embassy in DC in Dec 2016 to ask Amb Kislyak to use the embassy's secure commo system to set up a special backchannel to putin?

 

You can Google any of these things and find multiple news reports about each.

I wondered why those points hadn't been bought up before, especially when some of the trumpies have been denigrating/accusing Hunter Biden, yet there it is in plain sight, that Donald Trump Jr and Jared Kushner were "influence-peddling" and seemingly acquiring monetary favours because of whom they supposedly represented! Yet this is the first time I've seen it raised, so, well done @Walker88.

 

Off on a tangent, but related, just a couple of days ago Donald Jr was speaking at a Republican rally and part of what he was saying related to getting Donald senior voted in again so that he fight/clear out the "deep state"!

 

Now I don't know if Jr actually believes this, or if he is saying it to appease his father, but it could well be that he is just as dumb as his father and does believe it, and for those who are not quite clear what this relates to: –

 

According to an American political conspiracy theory, the deep state is a clandestine network of members of the federal government, working in conjunction with high-level financial and industrial entities and leaders, to exercise power alongside or within the elected United States government.

 

You have probably seen this conspiracy theory rubbish being repeated on far right wing social media which tries to implicate folks like Bill Gates, George Soros, Tom Hanks and others in their nonsense.......but to their supporters it is real.....even the part about drinking the blood of babies.......enough said.

So does the US really need numb-nuts like this in charge??

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40 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Spoken like a true Democrat.

Damned Democrats!

Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick in lecture

Joy Alonzo, a respected opioid expert, was in a panic.

The Texas A&M University professor had just returned home from giving a routine lecture on the opioid crisis at the University of Texas Medical Branch in March when she learned a student had accused her of disparaging Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick during the talk.

In the few hours it took to drive from Galveston, the complaint had made its way to her supervisors, and Alonzo’s job was suddenly at risk.

https://www.ksat.com/news/texas/2023/07/25/texas-am-suspended-professor-accused-of-criticizing-lt-gov-dan-patrick-in-lecture/

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[BarraMarra]

All these Post's are just deflections and whataboutisms who really cares what happened in 2016 it's gone we are in 2023. The thread is about An Ex-President who has been accused of lying, cheating, and making an attempt to remove a sitting president by way of a coup. The debate we are discussing is Did Trump commit these offenses a simple  yes or no.

[BarraMarra]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

DOJ asks judge to issue protective order after Trump posts apparent threat of revenge

The Justice Department on Friday asked a federal judge overseeing the criminal case against former President Donald Trump in Washington to step in after he released a post online that appeared to promise revenge on anyone who goes after him...

Prosecutors pointed specifically to a post on Trump's Truth Social platform from earlier Friday in which Trump wrote, in all capital letters, "If you go after me, I'm coming after you!"...

They told the judge that if Trump were to begin posting about grand jury transcripts or other evidence provided by the Justice Department, it could have a "harmful chilling effect on witnesses or adversely affect the fair administration of justice in this case."

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/05/1192336975/doj-asks-judge-issue-protective-order-after-trump-post

 

Seriously, why are they concerned that Trump, being the soul of discretion and respecter of boundaries, would use this information to coerce someone who might testify against him?

Just another nail driven into Trump's coffin placeholder like Putin now you can charge him with Intimidation of witnesses during a trial.

[ThailandRyan]

4 hours ago, James Roderick said:

The last election wasn't that fair. If the media had reported on Hunter Biden's laptop then Trump would have certainly won. Instead the media, and particularly social media actively suppressed most stories damaging to Biden , and withheld those benefiting Trump - that was hardly fair.  

 

Was Hunter running for President?  It would not have mattered one Iota.

[ThailandRyan]

2 hours ago, James Roderick said:

Are you really saying that it wasn't Hunter Biden's laptop, and all that incriminating information was fake ??  

Yet you still believe a story which still has never been fully investigated nor investigated.....why do you think that is, and don't go into the rabbit hole with conspiracy drivel.  If the evidence was there and was clear then the story would have grown legs......

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Just another nail driven into Trump's coffin placeholder like Putin now you can charge him with Intimidation of witnesses during a trial.

Trump has only just gotten started with his threats.

 

He’s working himself up to once again inciting violence.

 

His rhetoric will become more violent and inflammatory as he gets closer to trial and as more indictments pile up against him.

[ThailandRyan]

4 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

And some people who most definitely should not be allowed "free speech"!

Those that do use it seem to just incriminate themselves more and more and even have a lawyer do it over and over....oh wait you were talking about someone other than Trump and Lauro.....and I thought he was a smart lawyer.

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-lawyer-admits-directed-illegal-scheme-stop-electoral-count-1234800760/

 

“Ultimately, what President Trump said is: Let’s go with Option D. Let’s just pause the voting and allow the state legislature to take one last look and to make a determination as to whether the elections were handled fairly. That’s just constitutional law. That’s not an issue of criminal activity.”

[watthong]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

Well all I can say to that post is " If you Can't Stand the Heat " you know the rest.

It's probably useful that you stay with this thread, as from your own statements, your English vocabulary is clearly in need of expansion at least to 10th Grade level.

Well it does in fact stick around...

Beware of this new troll variant. It would agree with whatever anyone says any one moment, left right middle and sideways, then stoke the fire just a little further, muddle the water just a bit murkier with its below 10th grader language and its making farce out of US affairs (Trump and Biden both fair game,) all the while pretending innocence or ignorance. Keep things incendiary in this US related thread is its mission...Don't feed this (useful idiot as) agitator. 

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2 hours ago, James Roderick said:

Are you really saying that it wasn't Hunter Biden's laptop, and all that incriminating information was fake ??  

What incriminating information? Evidence of what crime?

[scottiejohn]

40 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Did Trump commit these offenses a simple  yes or no.

YES!

[Lacessit]

33 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump has only just gotten started with his threats.

 

He’s working himself up to once again inciting violence.

 

His rhetoric will become more violent and inflammatory as he gets closer to trial and as more indictments pile up against him.

It's about time a judge gave him a spell in jail, to teach him contempt of court is not to be taken lightly.

[bignok]

Foreigners have tried to influence elections in many countries for years

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/russia-dnc-hack-donald-trump-foreign-governments-hacking-vietnam-richard-nixon-214111/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-china-influence-2021-federal-election-csis-documents/

 

Amazing people don't know this

 

[Jai Dee]

Several troll posts and personal attacks (flames) have been removed.

 

Please keep the discussions civil thank you.

 

[bignok]

2 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

I don't know if you realize it, but all you're doing is tacitly admitting that you don't even understand what Russian interference in the 2016 US presidential election means.

Read up above.

[Jai Dee]

Further baiting and troll comments have been removed.

 

Be warned... continue like this and your posting rights may be suspended from the forum.

 

Behaviour like this is unacceptable... read The Forum Rules.

 

[Walker88]

23 minutes ago, bignok said:

Foreigners have tried to influence elections in many countries for years

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/russia-dnc-hack-donald-trump-foreign-governments-hacking-vietnam-richard-nixon-214111/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-china-influence-2021-federal-election-csis-documents/

 

Amazing people don't know this

 

Oh, so it's okay the russians helped trump, and trump's Campaign Manager manafort helped russia?

 

That it happens I don't disagree, but that does not mean---since it's illegal in the US---it shouldn't be pursued.

 

The only reason the full and complete russia story isn't being investigated (I cannot say for sure, as new intel comes in all the time, and the FBI may well have an ongoing investigation) is because trump has committed so many other crimes since.

 

Convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster, indicted for bank and insurance fraud, indicted for slander, indicted for FEC campaign violations, indicted for stolen classified documents, indicted for attempting to overthrow democracy.....Al Capone was a mere posseur compared to trump

[watthong]

4 hours ago, James Roderick said:

Are you really saying that it wasn't Hunter Biden's laptop, and all that incriminating information was fake ?? 

Having their minions waving "STOP THE STEAL" banners as they stormed the capitol to steal the election result from the people (not themselves.)  Calling Trump impeachment a "witch hunt" while going tooth and nail after a nobody (albeit the president's son) in order to impeach his father. Machinations from their own device somehow magically morph into evidence that the whole world has to take at face value...

 

These are GOP trademarks in trying to transgress law and order, while putting on a dumb (read respectable) face in order to keep their seats in the house. This is the kind of riff raff that need to be ousted after Trump. Yes, I'm counting my chicks before they hatch.

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[newnative]

31 minutes ago, bignok said:

Foreigners have tried to influence elections in many countries for years

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/russia-dnc-hack-donald-trump-foreign-governments-hacking-vietnam-richard-nixon-214111/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-china-influence-2021-federal-election-csis-documents/

 

Amazing people don't know this

 

So, you understand the concept of Chinese influencing a Canadian election but Russians influencing an American election apparently eludes you.  

[bignok]

23 minutes ago, newnative said:

So, you understand the concept of Chinese influencing a Canadian election but Russians influencing an American election apparently eludes you.  

Oh dear. They have tried for 50 years.

 

 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, bignok said:

Foreigners have tried to influence elections in many countries for years

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/russia-dnc-hack-donald-trump-foreign-governments-hacking-vietnam-richard-nixon-214111/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-china-influence-2021-federal-election-csis-documents/

 

Amazing people don't know this

 

People do know this.

 

At least, that was the case until this morning, when Trump actively solicited the criminal intercession of a foreign government in a U.S. presidential election. Now, all bets are off.

It seems all but certain that Vladimir Putin has decided to insert himself in the presidential campaign process to punish a candidate whom he doesn’t like (Hillary Clinton) in favor of one with whom he can do business.

[BarraMarra]

2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Those that do use it seem to just incriminate themselves more and more and even have a lawyer do it over and over....oh wait you were talking about someone other than Trump and Lauro.....and I thought he was a smart lawyer.

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-lawyer-admits-directed-illegal-scheme-stop-electoral-count-1234800760/

 

“Ultimately, what President Trump said is: Let’s go with Option D. Let’s just pause the voting and allow the state legislature to take one last look and to make a determination as to whether the elections were handled fairly. That’s just constitutional law. That’s not an issue of criminal activity.”

No but paying off Stormy Danials was or was the Bull

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, bignok said:

Foreigners have tried to influence elections in many countries for years

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/russia-dnc-hack-donald-trump-foreign-governments-hacking-vietnam-richard-nixon-214111/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-china-influence-2021-federal-election-csis-documents/

 

Amazing people don't know this

 

And your point is? People also murder people all the time so are we just supposed to ignore the next murder because, you know, it happens all the time?

There's so many inconvenient truths about Trump that Trumpers just have to resort to 'well it happens all the time' whataboutisms because the mental gymnastics required to continually defend this man must be truly exhausting. 

Here's another, less exhausting solution; just admit the man is not fit for POTUS (never has been, never will be) and things will be a lot easier in your life. 

Edited August 5, 2023 by johnnybangkok

[BarraMarra]

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

And your point is? People also murder people all the time so are we just supposed to ignore the next murder because, you know, it happens all the time?

There's so many inconvenient truths about Trump that Trumpers just have to resort to 'well it happens all the time' whataboutisms because the mental gymnastics required to continually defend this man must be truly exhausting. 

Here's another, less exhausting solution; just admit the man is not fit for POTUS (never has been, never will be) and things will be a lot easier in your life. 

They will not admit it Johnny they will deflect blame others and ignore facts most people can see clearly.

[jerrymahoney]

From the 04AUG23 GOVERNMENT’S MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER as referenced above:

 

The Government’s proposed order is consistent with other such orders commonly used in this District and is not overly restrictive. It allows the defendant prompt and effective use of discovery materials in connection with his defense, including by showing discovery materials to witnesses who also agree to abide by the order’s terms.

 

All the proposed order seeks to prevent is the improper dissemination or use of discovery materials, including to the public. 

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[bignok]

7 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

And your point is? People also murder people all the time so are we just supposed to ignore the next murder because, you know, it happens all the time?

There's so many inconvenient truths about Trump that Trumpers just have to resort to 'well it happens all the time' whataboutisms because the mental gymnastics required to continually defend this man must be truly exhausting. 

Here's another, less exhausting solution; just admit the man is not fit for POTUS (never has been, never will be) and things will be a lot easier in your life. 

Prior to 2016 nobody spent 3 years whining about foreign influence in elections.

 

It only happened in modern times by Democrat supporters.

 

Thanks bye.

[Walker88]

21 minutes ago, bignok said:

Prior to 2016 nobody spent 3 years whining about foreign influence in elections.

 

It only happened in modern times by Democrat supporters.

 

Thanks bye.

If the foreign election interference was in US elections, and every indication is that the trump campaign worked with the foreign influencer (Campaign Chair manafort-GRU asset konstantin kilimnik), which is illegal, then real patriots want to pursue it. It isn't 'whining'; it is following the law.

 

That durham specifically chose not to pursue to many leads and facts is irrelevant. That doesn't exonerate the trump campaign. It is only now, that trump has committed so many additional crimes that russia has taken a back seat. It may well be the FBI continues to get to the bottom of it.

[Tug]

44 minutes ago, bignok said:

Prior to 2016 nobody spent 3 years whining about foreign influence in elections.

 

It only happened in modern times by Democrat supporters.

 

Thanks bye.

Perhaps that’s because Donnie is so amoral that he accepted encouraged dare I say (Russia if you are listening) begged for it ,or perhaps his hosting the Russians in the Oval Office on his first day in office then trotting down to Langley to disparage the folks that gave their very lives in the service of protecting our country from destructive foreign influence?or perhaps helinsky were he again disparaged the institutions that have been protecting us for all these years and threw our country under the bus hummm?or how about where he was shivving our allies in the guts giving putin the impression he could get away with exterminating the Ukrainian nation?I could go on but I have things to do sir in closing it is patriotic Americans that are holding Trump accountable bye bye.ps a big shoutout to mr walker88 thankyou for your service,as you can see by my post many of us haven’t forgotten what trump has done again thanks to all who and have served

Edited August 5, 2023 by Tug