Georgia prosecutors could charge Trump with racketeering, experts say

[Chomper Higgot]

57 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

No one here seems to like Trump so an answered to why Trump is so popular.

That’s a very odd question for you to ask.

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

I’m eagerly waiting for the trump rebuttal …..tantrum it will be a duzy!!

Just joined his forum to see what he is up to:

"So, the Witch Hunt continues! 19 people Indicated tonight, including the former President of the United States, me, by an out of control and very corrupt District Attorney who campaigned and raised money on, “I will get Trump.” "

That won't go well with the judge.

 

Good part is that none of his "Truths" gets more than 36K likes in the last day. Not an impressive number of followers anymore.

[Kwasaki]

22 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

If trump is convicted in multiple jurisdictions, maybe he can be drawn and quartered, with parts serving time in GA, NY, DC and Leavenworth.

If he goes to jail and gets elected as president again he can pardon himself. ????

[Kwasaki]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s a very odd question for you to ask.

Why Trump says his highest in the poles.

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1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

If he goes to jail and gets elected as president again he can pardon himself. ????

Not if he gets convicted in the Georgia.state case.

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4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Not if he gets convicted in the Georgia.state case.

I noticed somebody put a "confused" emoji on my previous comment. I agree. They definitely are.

[Danderman123]

 A President cannot pardon convictions in state courts.

 

The governor of Georgia does not have pardon power.

 

RICO convictions have a 5 year minimum sentence, no probation.

 

 

[Danderman123]

My opinion is that there is a danger of states indicting sitting presidents for political reasons, after all this Trump drama is history.

 

Ideally, Congress would pass a law that Presidents can be indicted by anyone (even the Feds), but the indictments would be put on hold, and the statues of limitations tolled, until the president is out office. 

[FritsSikkink]

10 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

If he goes to jail and gets elected as president again he can pardon himself. ????

No he can't State offenses.

[Berkshire]

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

 A President cannot pardon convictions in state courts.

 

The governor of Georgia does not have pardon power.

 

RICO convictions have a 5 year minimum sentence, no probation.

 

 

Correct.

 

[Although in most states the authority to pardon lies with the elected governor, the decision in Georgia can only be taken by a board of state officials.]

[The board only allows convicts to apply for a pardon or restoration of their civil and political rights at least two years after they have served their sentence and only in “exceptional cases”.]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-trump-georgia-indictment-could-050325470.html

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The indictments of Trump and 18 others in Georgia (including Rudy Giuliani and Mark Meadows) were already handed down late Monday U.S. time, based on the state's anti-racketeering law.

 

Georgia charges Trump, former advisers in 2020 election case

 

Aug 14 (Reuters) - Former U.S. President Donald Trump was hit with a sweeping fourth set of criminal charges on Monday when a Georgia grand jury issued an indictment accusing him of efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss to Democrat Joe Biden.

 

The charges, brought by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, add to the legal woes facing Trump, the front-runner in the race for the Republican nomination for the 2024 presidential election.

 

The sprawling 98-page indictment listed 19 defendants and 41 criminal counts in all.

 

(more)

 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-state-georgia-appears-set-file-charges-against-donald-trump-court-document-2023-08-14/

 

[bendejo]

4 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Witch hunt I hope Trump gets elected again. ????

A "witch hunt" means that there is no witch, they are looking for something that does not exist.  The Hunter Biden laptop quest, now in its second year and still nothing found -- now THAT is a witch hunt.  I think even Comer is tired of having to make things up (the witches) and then have to be the face of his latest cockamamie fictitious accusations.

When you find a real witch that is called catching a criminal.  Which is why in Georgia, and DC, and Florida, and New York, the suspect and his goons are indicted.  Stay tuned for Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Nevada, and God's Own state of Arizona.

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

No one here seems to like Trump so an answered to why Trump is so popular.

Popular like dengue.

 

[gargamon]

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

One or more of which now have very good cause to sing like a canary.

And of course, the other 30(?) unindicted co-conspirators mentioned in the indictments that are likely already singing. All of them being republicans. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Trump Suggested A Witness ‘Shouldn’t’ Testify In Georgia’s Grand Jury Proceedings—Critics Say That’s Witness Intimidation

 

Former President Donald Trump posted on Truth Social, his social media platform, on Monday saying Georgia’s former Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan “shouldn’t” testify in grand jury proceedings this week regarding allegations that Trump attempted to overturn the 2020 election results in the state—and some legal analysts are saying the post could be witness intimidation or tampering.

...

George Conway—an attorney and separated husband of former Trump advisor Kellyanne Conway—and former U.S. attorney Barbara McQuade both took to X, formerly known as Twitter, to call the post “witness tampering,” with McQuade saying it was “witness tampering in real time.”

 

Ryan Goodman, former special counsel in the Department of Defense, tweeted a screenshot of Trump’s post alongside a screenshot of a Georgia law requiring that a judge find the defendant “poses no significant risk of intimidating witnesses” before approving bail.

 

(more)

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/08/14/trump-suggested-a-witness-shouldnt-testify-in-georgias-grand-jury-proceedings-critics-say-thats-witness-intimidation/?sh=77ed75be57be

 

[bignok]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

No one here seems to like Trump so an answered to why Trump is so popular.

He is ok, better than the other guy.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

When the "other guy" is facing criminal charges in four separate cases like Trump is, then you'll have something meaningful to talk about.

 

Trump’s fourth indictment moves America closer to an election precipice

"The charges in this state case – which bring to 91 the total number of criminal charges he’s facing across four separate cases – intensified an already epochal collision between Trump’s now extreme legal quagmire and the 2024 election in which he is the front-runner for the Republican nomination."

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/15/politics/trump-fourth-indictment-2024-election/index.html

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Recap: Donald Trump indicted on 2020 election fraud charges in Georgia

 

Charges include the use of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, known as RICO, which penalizes activities of individuals engaging in organized crime.

...

"Trump and the others named in the 98-page indictment have until noon on Friday, Aug. 25, to voluntarily surrender.

...

Willis said she would seek a trial "in the next six weeks" but scheduling is up to the appointed judge."

 

[other sources including the AP are saying her comment was six MONTHS.]

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/08/14/trump-indictment-live-updates/70187751007/

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Fox News, quoting from the Georgia indictment:

 

"Defendant Donald John Trump lost the United States presidential election held on November 3, 2020....

 

"Trump and the other Defendants charged in this Indictment refused to accept that Trump lost, and they knowingly and willfully joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of Trump. That conspiracy contained a common plan and purpose to commit two or more acts of racketeering activity in Fulton County, Georgia, elsewhere in the State of Georgia, and in other states." 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-district-attorney-gives-trump-others-until-aug-25-noon-surrender

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

From the AP, including some of the many others charged:

 

"Other defendants include former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows; Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani; and a Trump administration Justice Department official, Jeffrey Clark, who advanced the then-president’s efforts to undo his election loss in Georgia. Multiple other lawyers who devised legally dubious ideas aimed at overturning the results, including John Eastman, Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro, were also charged.

...

She also said she plans to ask for a trial date within six months and that she intends to try the defendants as a group."

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-georgia-election-investigation-grand-jury-willis-d39562cedfc60d64948708de1b011ed3

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Trump Suggested A Witness ‘Shouldn’t’ Testify In Georgia’s Grand Jury Proceedings—Critics Say That’s Witness Intimidation

 

Former President Donald Trump posted on Truth Social, his social media platform, on Monday saying Georgia’s former Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan “shouldn’t” testify in grand jury proceedings this week regarding allegations that Trump attempted to overturn the 2020 election results in the state—and some legal analysts are saying the post could be witness intimidation or tampering.

...

George Conway—an attorney and separated husband of former Trump advisor Kellyanne Conway—and former U.S. attorney Barbara McQuade both took to X, formerly known as Twitter, to call the post “witness tampering,” with McQuade saying it was “witness tampering in real time.”

 

Ryan Goodman, former special counsel in the Department of Defense, tweeted a screenshot of Trump’s post alongside a screenshot of a Georgia law requiring that a judge find the defendant “poses no significant risk of intimidating witnesses” before approving bail.

 

(more)

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/08/14/trump-suggested-a-witness-shouldnt-testify-in-georgias-grand-jury-proceedings-critics-say-thats-witness-intimidation/?sh=77ed75be57be

 

That could be another jail visit according to that article.:

Per Georgia law, anyone who attempts to influence a witness is subject to felony charges and, if convicted, can face one to five years in prison; anyone who threatens a witness is subject to felony charges and, if convicted, faces 10 to 20 years in prison.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

23 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

That could be straight to jail according to that article.:

Per Georgia law, anyone who attempts to influence a witness is subject to felony charges and, if convicted, can face one to five years in prison; anyone who threatens a witness is subject to felony charges and, if convicted, faces 10 to 20 years in prison.

With all the other racketeering-related counts Trump and Co. are already facing in GA, you'd have to wonder whether the DA there would want to try to add the tampering charge to the list.... if all Trump did was to suggest in a post that the person not testify...

 

But, to me, it's equally interesting that the judge who is assigned to handle the Georgia case could consider "tampering" allegations in deciding what amount of bail, or whether to grant bail, when Trump shows up in court.

 

[Danderman123]

Still waiting for the pro-Trump talking points from our fellow posters who happen be immersed in the Cult of Trump. I guess the late night (in America) release of the indictment is causing a delay, but the talking points should be available this morning (US Time).

 

My guess?

 

"Sydney Powell was secretely working for Antifa".

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

Still waiting for the pro-Trump talking points from our fellow posters who happen be immersed in the Cult of Trump. I guess the late night (in America) release of the indictment is causing a delay, but the talking points should be available this mornibg (US Time).

 

My guess?

 

"Sydney Powell was secretely working for Antifa".

 

 

House Speaker McCarthy and Rep. Jim Jordan predictably seem to have the right idea for his bunch:

 

"House Speaker Kevin McCarthy accused President Joe Biden of weaponizing the government against Trump, and attacked Willis, claiming she brought the indictment in an effort “to fundraise her political career.”

 

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) also came to the former president’s defense.

 

“Today’s indictment is just the latest political attack in the Democrats’ WITCH HUNT against President Trump,” Jordan, who heads the House Judiciary Committee wrote on X. “He did nothing wrong!”

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/15/trump-reaction-political-opponents-indictment-00111221

 

 

 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, bendejo said:

A "witch hunt" means that there is no witch, they are looking for something that does not exist.  The Hunter Biden laptop quest, now in its second year and still nothing found -- now THAT is a witch hunt.  I think even Comer is tired of having to make things up (the witches) and then have to be the face of his latest cockamamie fictitious accusations.

When you find a real witch that is called catching a criminal.  Which is why in Georgia, and DC, and Florida, and New York, the suspect and his goons are indicted.  Stay tuned for Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Nevada, and God's Own state of Arizona.

Popular like dengue.

 

OK thanks like 74 million people like dengue. ????

[Berkshire]

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

Correct.

 

[Although in most states the authority to pardon lies with the elected governor, the decision in Georgia can only be taken by a board of state officials.]

[The board only allows convicts to apply for a pardon or restoration of their civil and political rights at least two years after they have served their sentence and only in “exceptional cases”.]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-trump-georgia-indictment-could-050325470.html

The above article indicated that a convict (i.e., Trump) would have to serve at least 2 years before even being eligible for a pardon.  Other articles indicate 5 years, like this one....

 

[The Georgia pardon application guidelines say the board will only consider applications from people who have completed a "full sentence obligation," paid all fines, and "has been free of supervision (custodial or non-custodial) and/or criminal involvement for at least five consecutive years thereafter as well as five consecutive years immediately prior to applying."]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/trump-would-have-to-serve-5-years-in-prison-before-he-can-be-pardoned-in-georgia-criminal-case-expert-says/ar-AA1fhTaP?ocid=wispr&cvid=4dab035785114e1dad195b77f0fd3053&ei=12

 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, bignok said:

He is ok, better than the other guy.

Yeah I like him sort of because not the sort of guy who like ls being told what to do.

That why I reckon they don't want him back they didn't want him in the first place.

Seems like people in control of America only like puppets.

[FritsSikkink]

12 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Yeah I like him sort of because not the sort of guy who like ls being told what to do.

That why I reckon they don't want him back they didn't want him in the first place.

Seems like people in control of America only like puppets.

Read the indictments, that is why people don't want that racist criminal back.

[Kwasaki]

4 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Read the indictments, that is why people don't want that racist criminal back.

I'll just listen to LBC and future reports, don't like reading stuff like that.

[candide]

Interesting comment in the NYPost

Out of all indictments, Georgia is the most perilous threat to Trump

https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/out-of-all-indictments-georgia-is-the-most-perilous-threat-to-trump/

 

"That’s because the federalist system designed by our Constitution gives the states primary responsibility to conduct and police elections.

Ergo, the states have laws that are tailored specifically to election irregularities and attempts to subvert state processes for tabulating and certifying votes.

Unlike Smith, Willis can invoke laws that are specifically designed to deal with election-interference conduct of the kind Trump engaged in."

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Yeah I like him sort of because not the sort of guy who like ls being told what to do.

That why I reckon they don't want him back they didn't want him in the first place.

Seems like people in control of America only like puppets.

You mean like the Hedge fund managers, bankers, and big real estate interests who all benefited hugely from the Trump tax cuts? Apparently you don't believe in "follow the money."