Public support for new Brexit referendum revealed

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yep, the UK can now have carcinogens and other poisons in the nations food production. 

 

 

Just as the US does.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Same as they have to follow our rules and regulations when they sell to UK businesses. That's how trade works.

 

Unfortunately for them, German exports to the UK have plummeted since Brexit. One of the factors leading Germany to enter recession.

 

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/gloomy-ifo-fuels-fears-second-german-recession-year-2023-08-25/

 

Lucky for the EU that the German economy is not vital to the financial health of the bloc. Oh, wait a minute...

But but but... whatabout Germany?

 

We should have a thread on that. 

[JayClay]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Unfortunately for them, German exports to the UK have plummeted since Brexit

So UK exports the the EU have declined?

 

And EU exports to the UK have declined?

 

 

 

It's almost as if it was mutually beneficial for both parties when we were a member, wouldn't you say?

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Just as the US does.

But, erm, this isn't a thread about the US?

 

Or had you not noticed. 

 

Oh you had noticed, but you didn't like me pointing out that BREXIT freedoms include allowing carcinogens and other poisons in UK food production.

 

So you went into but but but whatabout mode. 

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, JayClay said:

That's only a valid argument when we have higher standards than the EU. We don't.

 

Anything baring the CE mark is valid for sale in the UK.

By higher standards, you mean they ban more things?

 

Yes, of course that is the raison d'etre of the EU. Ban, regulate, restrict. It's how they justify their existence. A corrupt, protectionist racket.

 

Thank god we left.

[JonnyF]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

But, erm, this isn't a thread about the US?

 

Or had you not noticed. 

 

Oh you had noticed, but you didn't like me pointing out that BREXIT freedoms include allowing carcinogens and other poisons in UK food production.

 

So you went into but but but whatabout mode. 

All countries have carcinogens in their food. Including EU countries. It's an inane point. Barely worthy of a response.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, JonnyF said:

All countries have carcinogens in their food. Including EU countries. It's an inane point. Barely worthy of a response.

But this is a UK thread and the UK Government have recently used 'BREXIT Freedoms' to permit the use of carcinogens in UK food production.

 

 

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But but but... whatabout Germany?

 

We should have a thread on that. 

Germany is not relevant during a Brexit topic?

 

You do realize Germany is the largest EU economy? You do realize Brexit has hugely impacted German exports to the UK?

[JonnyF]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

But this is a UK thread and the UK Government have recently used 'BREXIT Freedoms' to permit the use of carcinogens in UK food production.

 

 

The EU allows carcinogens in food.

 

Every country decides which carcinogens they allow and which ones they ban. Well, except EU countries of course.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

By higher standards, you mean they ban more things?

 

Yes, of course that is the raison d'etre of the EU. Ban, regulate, restrict. It's how they justify their existence. A corrupt, protectionist racket.

 

Thank god we left.

Banning a few carcinogens and poisons from food production seems sensible. 

 

Though perhaps not in the best interest of profits at cost of people's health.

[JonnyF]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Banning a few carcinogens and poisons from food production seems sensible. 

 

Though perhaps not in the best interest of profits at cost of people's health.

The UK bans more than a few carcinogens and poisons from food.

 

They now decide for themselves instead of being dictated to by EU technocrats.

[JayClay]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

By higher standards, you mean they ban more things?

 

Yes, of course that is the raison d'etre of the EU. Ban, regulate, restrict. It's how they justify their existence. A corrupt, protectionist racket.

 

Thank god we left.

Yea. It's much better following those restrictions without having a say in their creation.

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But, erm, this isn't a thread about the US?

 

Or had you not noticed. 

 

Oh you had noticed, but you didn't like me pointing out that BREXIT freedoms include allowing carcinogens and other poisons in UK food production.

 

So you went into but but but whatabout mode. 

Seems that both the UK and the EU are on the naughty list when it comes to exports

The EU and UK exported 1,000 tonnes of a banned pesticide to poorer countries, investigation reveals

https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/06/22/the-eu-and-uk-exported-1000-tonnes-of-a-banned-pesticide-to-poorer-countries-investigation

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, JayClay said:

Yea. It's much better following those restrictions without having a say in their creation.

Every country that sells to the EU follows their standards.

 

We have to follow China's standards when we sell to China. Doesn't mean I want to be ruled by Xi.

[JayClay]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Every country that sells to the EU follows their standards.

 

We have to follow China's standards when we sell to China. Doesn't mean I want to be ruled by Xi.

So you are against the UKs accession into the CPTPP I presume?

[JonnyF]

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Seems that both the UK and the EU are on the naughty list when it comes to exports

The EU and UK exported 1,000 tonnes of a banned pesticide to poorer countries, investigation reveals

https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/06/22/the-eu-and-uk-exported-1000-tonnes-of-a-banned-pesticide-to-poorer-countries-investigation

A great example of EU hypocrisy.

 

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, JayClay said:

So you are against the UKs accession into the CPTPP I presume?

Of course not.????

 

The CPTPP is essentially a trade agreement, not a corrupt federalist project. Had the EU not massively over-reached politically and instead remained a common market we'd still be in it.

[JonnyF]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Sorry, but I do not understand you having a go about Brexit when as a non-Brit you are here on the subject every day, you have even said Brexit is good for your country, so is it just to have a pop at actual Brits, or get a buzz out of "trying" to rub Brit noses in it, which I might add doesn't work.

 

I will not ask you to come clean, because you do resort to twisting stuff...????

But, Britannia Rules "our" Waves.................... 

"Liberal" Americans hate Britain. They loved seeing the EU lording over us. They can't stand the fact we ditched the technocrats, became independent again and are doing fine without them. It boils their blood. ????

[talahtnut]

42 minutes ago, RayC said:

I assume that is a joke?

Yes, apologies, Its a typo, should be in 10 years the EU will

no longer exist. In my opinoin the West faces a grim future

under US lunatic dominance.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

29 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The UK bans more than a few carcinogens and poisons from food.

 

They now decide for themselves instead of being dictated to by EU technocrats.

But now the UK has decided to permit more carcinogens and poisons in UK food production. 

 

No wonder public opinion is moving against BREXIT.

[Chomper Higgot]

29 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The UK bans more than a few carcinogens and poisons from food.

 

They now decide for themselves instead of being dictated to by EU technocrats.

But now the UK has decided to permit more carcinogens and poisons in UK food production. 

 

No wonder public opinion is moving against BREXIT.

[candide]

55 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Same as they have to follow our rules and regulations when they sell to UK businesses. That's how trade works.

 

Unfortunately for them, German exports to the UK have plummeted since Brexit. One of the factors leading Germany to enter recession.

 

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/gloomy-ifo-fuels-fears-second-german-recession-year-2023-08-25/

 

Lucky for the EU that the German economy is not vital to the financial health of the bloc. Oh, wait a minute...

Lucky for UK that the EU is not its first trade partner, so it wouldn't be affected by a crisis in Germany and/or in the EU!

Oh wait a minute... ????

[vinny41]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But now the UK has decided to permit more carcinogens and poisons in UK food production. 

 

No wonder public opinion is moving against BREXIT.

Your statement is based on  2151 adults in GB that took part in a recent yougov poll

now these 2151 people are people that are signed up to take part in yougov polls not you typical person in the street

As you can see no awkward or difficult questions were asked about the Euro or other key issues of concern

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/5y66bpmr12/Internal_Brexit_230714.pdf

[Eloquent pilgrim]

 

Personally, I'm taking this survey with an enormous pinch of salt; despite its deliberately misleading title, YouGov, is nothing to do with the UK government, but is an independent company, co-founded by German born Stephan Shakespeare. Anyone prepared to pay, can commission a survey by this company, and in so doing, chose the demographic from which the survey is to be taken.

 

Obviously by choosing the demographic it is easy to manipulate any poll to get the result you want. I cannot find any information about who commissioned this survey, or the demographic of those polled …. maybe someone else has seen that info.

 

If the poll was taken, for example, around the country’s universities, I’m sure all the young bedwetters that wanted to remain in the EU, but were too busy on Instagram to go and vote, would facilitate the published numbers.

 

I do know that is was published in the farcically named ‘Independent’ an extreme left wing, anti Brexit publication in the UK, that masquerades as a newspaper; so maybe they commissioned the poll … anyone know ?

[Rimmer]

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[GroveHillWanderer]

On 8/28/2023 at 2:44 PM, nauseus said:

That status has taken decades to develop and was not offered to the UK anyway.

Being a member of the EFTA is not something that is offered to you, it's something you apply for.

 

And as mentioned on the EFTA website, it was the UK that decided not to apply.

 

Quote

The UK government has clearly indicated that it does not intend to apply for membership of EFTA.

Frequently asked questions on EFTA, the EEA, EFTA membership and Brexit

Edited September 18, 2023 by GroveHillWanderer

[candide]

49 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Your statement is based on  2151 adults in GB that took part in a recent yougov poll

now these 2151 people are people that are signed up to take part in yougov polls not you typical person in the street

As you can see no awkward or difficult questions were asked about the Euro or other key issues of concern

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/5y66bpmr12/Internal_Brexit_230714.pdf

 

47 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Personally, I'm taking this survey with an enormous pinch of salt; despite its deliberately misleading title, YouGov, is nothing to do with the UK government, but is an independent company, co-founded by German born Stephan Shakespeare. Anyone prepared to pay, can commission a survey by this company, and in so doing, chose the demographic from which the survey is to be taken.

 

Obviously by choosing the demographic it is easy to manipulate any poll to get the result you want. I cannot find any information about who commissioned this survey, or the demographic of those polled …. maybe someone else has seen that info.

 

If the poll was taken, for example, around the country’s universities, I’m sure all the young bedwetters that wanted to remain in the EU, but were too busy on Instagram to go and vote, would facilitate the published numbers.

 

I do know that is was published in the farcically named ‘Independent’ an extreme left wing, anti Brexit publication in the UK, that masquerades as a newspaper; so maybe they commissioned the poll … anyone know ?

It seems you have no idea of how polling organisations are working and/or you don't like the result so you criticize it.

These organisations have long-tested procedures to ensure that results are reliable (at the time they conduct the survey). Of course, inside a margin of error they calculate and indicate.

Two hints for you:

- In the document linked by JonnyF, they have calculated the weighted sample, it means they have corrected the weight of the different categories to make sure it reflects the composition of the UK population. So no "chose the demographics" B.S.

- as concerns YouGov, they have used the same methodology over several years, and they were showing a stronger support for Brexit at different periods of time. So when they were showing stronger support for Brexit, they were also wrong?

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/07/18/britons-would-vote-rejoin-eu

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 9/17/2023 at 4:52 PM, youreavinalaff said:

He was in my old home town the other day. Talking to students about university fees. He's going to make them all free. Decided not to tell how, when or where the money is coming from.

I can't find any reports of such a statement from Starmer.

 

However I did find this from just a few months ago, which seems to totally contradict what you're saying.

 

Quote

Starmer said his party was “looking at options” for how to fund universities, but made it clear the existing promise to get rid of student-paid tuition fees [...] was being dropped.

Labour to ditch its promise to abolish tuition fees in England

[youreavinalaff]

13 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

I can't find any reports of such a statement from Starmer.

 

However I did find this from just a few months ago, which seems to totally contradict what you're saying.

 

Labour to ditch its promise to abolish tuition fees in England

Exactly my point. He said it then changed his mind.

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 minute ago, youreavinalaff said:

Exactly my point. He said it then changed his mind.

So where are the reports of him saying "the other day" that he would abolish university fees? Unless you can provide a source for that, your claim is baseless - and therefore worthless.