Popular Post snoop1130 Posted September 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2023 On September 17th, 2023, the Thai Journalists Association set up a conference on “Police Reform: Reclaim Faith or Downfall” in Bangkok lectured by Adjunct Professor Wicha Mahakun, a former member of the NCCC, or the National Counter Corruption Commission, Pol. Col. Wirut Sirisawatdibut, a Secretary General of IJR, and Dr. Mana Nimitmongkol, a Secretary General of ACT. In the conference, Adjunct Professor Wicha commented in regard to the Royal Thai Police Organization in Thailand that centralized authority leads to a lack of comprehensive management in the organization and causes issues such as outsiders exploiting bribery, illicit promotions, gambling, etc. To reform this crisis state, decentralization and empowerment at provincial levels are necessary, Wicha believes. “The Thai police organization should abolish the current military-style ranking system: police officers must be civilians and have no rank. Additionally, rankings can be considered a bad working environment. This is a sustainable solution to police reformation,” said Pol. Col. Wirut. By Adam Judd Full story: The Pattaya News 2023-09-18 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. Get our Daily Newsletter - Click HERE to subscribe 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted September 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2023 Mission impossible. This book, written by Thai academics many years ago, gives a good overview about the situation. I would be surprised if it changes much in the last decades. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pouatchee Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 yeah right! every time there is a scandal the R word gets brandished around. reform the reform???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post retarius Posted September 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2023 Fire everybody, starting at the very top, and then start again. Get some advice from a proper police force as to what the duties of policemen actually are. Surprise, surprise they are not drinking tea in the station and collecting bribes; they are actually supposed to uphold the law. Then employ some citizens who will uphold the law.....simples. Oh and pay them enough so that bribes are uneccesary, and one final thing, if any cop is found to be corrupt, jail him immediately, cancel his employment and pay; none of this transfer business. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scorecard Posted September 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, retarius said: Fire everybody, starting at the very top, and then start again. Get some advice from a proper police force as to what the duties of policemen actually are. Surprise, surprise they are not drinking tea in the station and collecting bribes; they are actually supposed to uphold the law. Then employ some citizens who will uphold the law.....simples. Oh and pay them enough so that bribes are uneccesary, and one final thing, if any cop is found to be corrupt, jail him immediately, cancel his employment and pay; none of this transfer business. There's obviously many factor which neeed reform. I certainly agree that transfer for those who transgress should NOT be available. And there should be several civilian committees which oversee investigations, suggest new policies etc., and thos on such committees should be changed regularly (18 mnths?) so that graft has less chance of taking root. ANd civilian oversight of all recruitment and promotions using a rotating civilian committee. Edited September 18, 2023 by scorecard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hotchilli Posted September 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2023 12 hours ago, snoop1130 said: “The Thai police organization should abolish the current military-style ranking system: police officers must be civilians and have no rank. Additionally, rankings can be considered a bad working environment. This is a sustainable solution to police reformation,” said Pol. Col. Wirut. Said Pol. Col.Wirut.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 13 hours ago, snoop1130 said: e Royal Thai Police Organization in Thailand Is it just me?, but I have never heard of a police force being called an ORGANIZATION before 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NORDO Posted September 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2023 Somewhat akin a family of Fox trying solve the Henhouse issues. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 It's hopeless, I've heard it so many times and it never leads to anything substantial. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammieuk1 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 They look a dynamic bunch form a sub-committee at the double ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 2 hours ago, brianthainess said: Is it just me?, but I have never heard of a police force being called an ORGANIZATION before How about Franchise? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 16 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: Mission impossible. This book, written by Thai academics many years ago, gives a good overview about the situation. I would be surprised if it changes much in the last decades. That had to be one of the first books I read when I came to Thailand, 20 odd years ago, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 Im not impressed by that bunch of committee members, neither will the police be 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdey Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 While not convinced a mass debate will solve anything, however recently read that there are now some crimes that the British police will not investigate. A slippery slope to Thai levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordgrinz Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Caldera said: It's hopeless, I've heard it so many times and it never leads to anything substantial. Well, there is the many lavish committee meetings and expensive food and lodging handed out, then they put out a statement suggesting new changes that will actually never happen, rinse and repeat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 22 minutes ago, ChipButty said: That had to be one of the first books I read when I came to Thailand, 20 odd years ago, Same same. And somehow I am pretty sure if they would research the situation now almost nothing changed. TiT. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChipButty Posted September 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: Same same. And somehow I am pretty sure if they would research the situation now almost nothing changed. TiT. few name changes that all 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 32 minutes ago, ChipButty said: How about Franchise? More co-operative, we all benefit ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaoleBoy Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 Same same as the "military reform" that was proposed by PTP ... window dressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 39 minutes ago, Artisi said: More co-operative, we all benefit ???? Well they do have their dividend number on hand, just like the co-op stores in the UK years a ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, brianthainess said: Well they do have their dividend number on hand, just like the co-op stores in the UK years a ago. Im old enough to remember that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 4 hours ago, brianthainess said: Is it just me?, but I have never heard of a police force being called an ORGANIZATION before So what's your value added point? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, ChipButty said: Im old enough to remember that My Dad got really annoyed at me one time I'd brought something from the co-op and hadn't given them his number. But I digress from the OP only just though. Mind you swap dad for station chief and same same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Purdey said: While not convinced a mass debate will solve anything, however recently read that there are now some crimes that the British police will not investigate. A slippery slope to Thai levels. Yes, next time I go to the UK I will be doing my rounds of Sainsbury's, Asda, Morrison's etc. ???????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 1 hour ago, NoshowJones said: Yes, next time I go to the UK I will be doing my rounds of Sainsbury's, Asda, Morrison's etc. ???????? Don't forget Mark's and Sparks.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n00dle Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 7 hours ago, hotchilli said: Said Pol. Col.Wirut.. So the guy has a rank he is willing to relinquish, what is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomacht8 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 Police Reform in Thailand This has been the same headline, coming up every year since over 20 years. But nothing has ever happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 22 hours ago, snoop1130 said: The Thai Journalists Association set up a conference on “Police Reform Why not also set up town hall type meetings around the country with people police supposedly serve. Regions will have own unique enforcement issues. Also on the agenda should be the authority given by PM Prayut to the military's Internal Security Organization Command (ISOC) involvement in civilian affairs vs law enforcement. Police organizational command and funding in general needs review. Police responsible for national federal crimes should be separate from Provincial enforcement and possibly further segregated down to district. The scope of the National Police Commissioner leadership should not extend into district enforcement other than for national federal crimes. I have no issue with Police rankings so long as they reflect the nature of their duties. "Patrolman" job is pretty clear. And they don't need army bootcamp trsining nor parachute wings. They're civilians except on the national level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidLangdown Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 A decent wage will go a long way to solving the RTP corruption problem. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nausea Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 13 hours ago, DavidLangdown said: A decent wage will go a long way to solving the RTP corruption problem. Agree, and a truly independent investigation unit; make it more costly to be corrupt than to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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