Evidence of DNA Contamination in Pfizer Vaccine

[Bkk Brian]

On 10/1/2023 at 6:50 AM, Red Phoenix said:

 

 

The A.P. article is correct, they are not attempting to debunk McKernans findings and in fact support them. They are however fact checking false social media posts and articles misrepresenting the paper. They quote McKernan and his paper correctly:

 

[McKernan] "He says researchers involved in the study, which is a “pre-print” that has not been published in a peer-reviewed academic journal, discovered an “SV40 promoter” in the Pfizer vaccine."

 

But that’s not the same as finding the full SV40 virus in the shot, stressed McKernan, a former research director at MIT’s Human Genome Project who now runs Medicinal Genomics, a Massachusetts company that sells DNA testing kits and other laboratory materials to cannabis companies.

 

“The fear about the SV40 sequences is total nonsense,” he wrote. “The vaccine is not going to cause cancer. There is no cancer causing gene in the vaccine.”

 

https://apnews.com/ap-fact-check/no-monkey-virus-dna-was-not-found-in-covid-vaccines-00000188e957d32da188e9ff1aef0000

 

[Red Phoenix]

On 10/1/2023 at 7:27 AM, Bkk Brian said:

The A.P. article is correct, they are not attempting to debunk McKernans findings and in fact support them. They are however fact checking false social media posts and articles misrepresenting the paper. They quote McKernan and his paper correctly:

 

[McKernan] "He says researchers involved in the study, which is a “pre-print” that has not been published in a peer-reviewed academic journal, discovered an “SV40 promoter” in the Pfizer vaccine."

But that’s not the same as finding the full SV40 virus in the shot, stressed McKernan, a former research director at MIT’s Human Genome Project who now runs Medicinal Genomics, a Massachusetts company that sells DNA testing kits and other laboratory materials to cannabis companies.

“The fear about the SV40 sequences is total nonsense,” he wrote. “The vaccine is not going to cause cancer. There is no cancer causing gene in the vaccine.”

https://apnews.com/ap-fact-check/no-monkey-virus-dna-was-not-found-in-covid-vaccines-00000188e957d32da188e9ff1aef0000

 

The header of that Fact-Check article puts the reader on the wrong foot.

 

But when reading the full Fact Check indeed the content of the A.P. article is correct, they are not attempting to debunk McKernans findings and in fact support them.

 

But using that header 'No Monkey Virus DNA was found in covid-vaccines' is disingenuous.  An alternative header like 'Only Monkey Virus promoters were found in covid-vaccines' and rating that claim CORRECT would have been far more informative.  

 

I also note that you tried to smuggle a debunker of McKernan's findings in your response, by attributing the claim that "the fear about the SV40 sequences is total nonsense" to him.

 

On the contrary, McKernan is quite concerned about these SV40 sequences.  And it was not McKernan but Phillip Buckhaults that made that 'nonsense' claim, when he back-pedaled the statements he made during the congressional hearing, where he confirmed McKernan's findings.

 

[Bkk Brian]

On 10/1/2023 at 8:01 AM, Red Phoenix said:

The header of that Fact-Check article puts the reader on the wrong foot.

But when reading the full Fact Check indeed the content of the A.P. article is correct, they are not attempting to debunk McKernans findings and in fact support them.

But using that header 'No Monkey Virus DNA was found in covid-vaccines' is disingenuous.  An alternative header like 'Only Monkey Virus promoters were found in covid-vaccines' and rating that claim CORRECT would have been far more informative.  

 

I also note that you tried to smuggle a debunker of McKernan's findings in your response, by attributing the claim that "the fear about the SV40 sequences is total nonsense" to him.

On the contrary, McKernan is quite concerned about these SV40 sequences.  And it was not McKernan but Phillip Buckhaults that made that 'nonsense' claim, when he back-pedaled the statements he made during the congressional hearing, where he confirmed McKernan's findings.

 

 

Header seems good to go, directly addressing this false claim:

 

“Green Monkey DNA confirmed present in COVID jabs,” read one tweet that was retweeted more than 2,500 times.

 

No need for me to smuggle in anything, Buckhaults is a cancer specialist and should know:

 

"Phillip Buckhaults, director of the Cancer Genetics"

[Red Phoenix]

32 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Header seems good to go, directly addressing this false claim:

 

“Green Monkey DNA confirmed present in COVID jabs,” read one tweet that was retweeted more than 2,500 times.

 

No need for me to smuggle in anything, Buckhaults is a cancer specialist and should know:

"Phillip Buckhaults, director of the Cancer Genetics"

A double disingenuous response.

# Debunking a claim never made by the scientist to cast doubt on his findings.

# Attributing a statement to a scientist that he never made.

But I leave it at that, because the abundant evidence of DNA contamination in the mRNA jabs, is not even disputed anymore by BigPharma-funded Fact-Checkers.

[Bkk Brian]

On 10/1/2023 at 8:48 AM, Red Phoenix said:

A double disingenuous response.

# Debunking a claim never made by the scientist to cast doubt on his findings.

# Attributing a statement to a scientist that he never made.

But I leave it at that, because the abundant evidence of DNA contamination in the mRNA jabs, is not even disputed anymore by BigPharma-funded Fact-Checkers.

 

Really....lol. A headline from the AP that directly addressed the false claim is disingenuous.....lol

 

A scientist named Buckhaults did indeed state: “The vaccine is not going to cause cancer. There is no cancer causing gene in the vaccine.” Considering he is a cancer specialist then its a credible statement otherwise it would not be there.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities -- the international organization of major countries vaccine regulators -- put out a public statement earlier this year addressing the kind of anti-vax rubbish being promoted in this thread.

 

Their statement included the following:

 

"False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines. Vaccine misinformation leading individuals to decline vaccination has very likely led to many more deaths than adverse effects of the vaccines."

 

https://icmra.info/drupal/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement

 

ICMRA includes 38 medicines regulatory authorities from every region in the world.

 

Members include the U.S. FDA, the European Medicines Agency (EMA), the UK's Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), Australia's Therapeutic Goods Administration, Germany's Paul-Ehrlich-Institut, and others.

 

[Red Phoenix]

47 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Vaccine misinformation leading individuals to decline vaccination has very likely led to many more deaths than adverse effects of the vaccines.

Very likely...

No data to back up those pro-vax rubbish statements.

Note how they are now using words like 'likely',  'suggest', 'might', etc. to back-up their claims.

[owl sees all]

56 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

"False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines. Vaccine misinformation leading individuals to decline vaccination has very likely led to many more deaths than adverse effects of the vaccines."

This is utter nonsense in my opinion.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

COVID-19 vaccines saved an estimated 20 million lives in 1 year

June 24, 2022

 

"COVID vaccines reduced the potential global death toll during the pandemic by almost two-thirds in their first year, saving an estimated 19.8 million lives, according to a mathematical modeling study yesterday in The Lancet Infectious Diseases.

 

An additional 600,000 lives could have been spared if a World Health Organization (WHO) goal of vaccinating 40% of the population of every country by the end of 2021 had been met, the authors of the study say.

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19-vaccines-saved-estimated-20-million-lives-1-year

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00320-6/fulltext

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Bkk Brian]

On 10/1/2023 at 1:18 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities -- the international organization of major countries vaccine regulators -- put out a public statement earlier this year addressing the kind of anti-vax rubbish being promoted in this thread.

 

Their statement included the following:

 

"False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines. Vaccine misinformation leading individuals to decline vaccination has very likely led to many more deaths than adverse effects of the vaccines."

 

https://icmra.info/drupal/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement

 

ICMRA includes 38 medicines regulatory authorities from every region in the world.

 

Members include the U.S. FDA, the European Medicines Agency (EMA), the UK's Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), Australia's Therapeutic Goods Administration, Germany's Paul-Ehrlich-Institut, and others.

 

 

Same in Canada:

 

COVID misinformation led to at least 2,800 deaths in Canada, $300M in costs: report

 

At least 2,800 Canadian lives lost to COVID-19 could have been spared, tens of thousands hospitalizations could have been prevented and $300 million in hospital costs might have been saved if not for the insidious spread of misinformation, according to a new report.

 

The report, released Thursday by the Council of Canadian Academies (CCA) – an independent science research organization – examines the socioeconomic impacts of science and health misinformation and how it affected Canadians’ behaviour during two waves of COVID-19 between March and November 2021.

 

It found misinformation – defined as false or misleading information shared intentionally or unintentionally – contributed to vaccine hesitancy for an estimated 2.3 million Canadians.

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/9438436/covid-misinformation-deaths-canada-report/

[owl sees all]

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The report, released Thursday by the Council of Canadian Academies (CCA) – an independent science research organization – examines the socioeconomic impacts of science and health misinformation and how it affected Canadians’ behaviour during two waves of COVID-19 between March and November 2021.

The word 'independent' caught my eye.

[novacova]

48 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Very likely...

No data to back up those pro-vax rubbish statements.

Note how they are now using words like 'likely',  'suggest', 'might', etc. to back-up their claims.

+1…conflating facts (aka bs) is what the media does with information. Incisive obsessive media click bait hunters bite the bait as ironed in facts and are closed to anything unless verified by the media.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

False information on COVID-19 vaccine safety

"False information about COVID-19 vaccines can result in deaths or severe disease if people avoid getting the vaccines they need. False information about COVID-19, both unintended (misinformation) and deliberate (disinformation), spreads on social media, so it is important to get  information from trusted sources (healthcare professionals, scientific sources and national medicines regulators)."

 

--International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities (ICMRA)

 

https://icmra.info/drupal/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement

[eisfeld]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

This is utter nonsense in my opinion.

You know what they say about opinions...

 

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

The word 'independent' caught my eye.

If you are trying to say something, please just say it. Don't post vague hints.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, novacova said:

+1…conflating facts (aka bs) is what the media does with information. Incisive obsessive media click bait hunters bite the bait as ironed in facts and are closed to anything unless verified by the media.

Interested to know where you get your information from if not from the media?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Interested to know where you get your information from if not from the media?

Based on the OP post in this thread and a lot of similar follow-ups (some already removed), I'd say a lot of the following:

 

 

and

 

 

and

 

 

 

 

 

 

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Based on the OP post in this thread and a lot of similar follow-ups (some already removed), I'd say a lot of the following:

 

 

and

 

 

and

 

 

 

 

 

 

Questionable is too positive.

[owl sees all]

20 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Very likely...

No data to back up those pro-vax rubbish statements.

Note how they are now using words like 'likely',  'suggest', 'might', etc. to back-up their claims.

One of the problems that some have on this thread (indeed any Big Pharma thread) is that people have actually had the therapy. In this case the covid preventing jab. Rather than admit their folly, they want to shoot any messenger for suggesting they were misled.

Edited October 2, 2023 by owl sees all

[Rimmer]

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[Danderman123]

On 10/1/2023 at 8:48 AM, Red Phoenix said:

A double disingenuous response.

# Debunking a claim never made by the scientist to cast doubt on his findings.

# Attributing a statement to a scientist that he never made.

But I leave it at that, because the abundant evidence of DNA contamination in the mRNA jabs, is not even disputed anymore by BigPharma-funded Fact-Checkers.

 

Of course, the DNA contamination claim is in doubt, due to the unknown provenance of the samples.

 

Did some anti-vaxxers hide away some used vials, contaminate them, and send them to the researcher? Don't know. 

 

If you had your hands on some used vaccine vials, would you monkey with them so that people would be discouraged from being vaccinated?

 

[Red Phoenix]

7 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Of course, the DNA contamination claim is in doubt, due to the unknown provenance of the samples.

Did some anti-vaxxers hide away some used vials, contaminate them, and send them to the researcher? Don't know.

If you had your hands on some used vaccine vials, would you monkey with them so that people would be discouraged from being vaccinated?

Hope you realize that with your post you joined the 'conspiracy theorists', albeit from the other side of the bench...

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

Hope you realize that with your post you joined the 'conspiracy theorists', albeit from the other side of the bench...

My point is that the provenance of the vials is unknown.

 

My example of their being supplied by an anti-vaxxer was merely to illustrate how using samples of unknown origin makes the claims about contamination irrelevant.

[Danderman123]

On 10/1/2023 at 8:48 AM, Red Phoenix said:

 

But I leave it at that, because the abundant evidence of DNA contamination in the mRNA jabs, is not even disputed anymore by BigPharma-funded Fact-Checkers.

 

False claims recirculate on harmful DNA in Covid-19 vaccines

[Rimmer]

An unattributed post contravening our Community Standards has been removed.    

[Red Phoenix]

A new preprint study was issued Thursday last week by McKernan, Rose and others, providing more evidence of COVID-19 vaccine contamination in vials from Ontario, Canada.

The title of the study speaks for itself:

 

DNA fragments detected in monovalent and bivalent Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna modRNA COVID-19 vaccines from Ontario, Canada: Exploratory dose response relationship with serious adverse events.

 

https://osf.io/mjc97/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Not surprisingly, a non-peer reviewed paper published by an obscure researcher who's affiliated with a notorious Canadian anti-vaxer group previously cited for spreading COVID vaccine misinformation.

 

A Canadian academic named David Speicher, with no meaningful record of published, peer-reviewed COVID vaccine research, is listed as the primary author.

 

 

 

So what is David Speicher's affiliation with this Canadian anti-vax group?

 

 

 

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/23MY3_Case-against-C19-vaccine-requirements.pdf

 

So Speicher is affiliated with the Canadian Covid Care Alliance, the Canadian branch of a series of country-based anti-vax activist entities with documented histories of peddling COVID vaccine misinformation.

 

Such as:

Video repeats false claims about safety of Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine

"A video produced by a group claiming to represent Canadian doctors and health care professionals alleges that the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine is dangerous. But the video repeats several previously debunked assertions about the safety of the shot, experts say the benefits outweigh the risks of rare side effects...

 

"The Pfizer Inoculations For COVID-19 - More Harm Than Good," says the title of a video released by the Canadian Covid Care Alliance (CCCA).

 

https://factcheck.afp.com/http%3A%2F%2Fdoc.afp.com%2F9VJ3DA-1

 

and  more....

 

"The Canadian Covid Care Alliance presentation also makes a range of assertions based on Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine clinical trial report (here), including that the vaccinated group had “an increase in illness and deaths”.

 

However, the “illness” detailed includes all adverse events including local reactions such as arm pain, and systemic events such as fatigue. Few participants had serious adverse events or adverse events that led to withdrawal from the trial, the study says."

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-vaccines/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-considered-safe-for-children-idUSL1N2TM0QL

 

And the Canadian group is affiliated with a notorious U.S. anti-vax misinformation group called the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/about-the-flccc/

 

And their record:

Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC)

PSEUDOSCIENCE

"Overall, we rate the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance as a strong pseudoscience website based on the promotion of unproven alternative medicines that falsely mislead people to reject the Covid-19 vaccine and several failed fact checks."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/front-line-covid-19-critical-care-alliance-flccc-bias/

 

 

Add up all of the above, and you most likely get a bunch of anti-vax activist rubbish.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And it turns out, the second listed author of the above paper, Jessica Rose, also has quite a history of involvement in peddling COVID vaccine misinformation:

 

Fact Check-VAERS data does not suggest COVID-19 vaccines killed 150,000 people, as analysis claims

"The website credits the findings to Jessica Rose, who was a postdoctoral researcher in biology at the Israel Institute of Technology from 2016-20, according to her resume posted online (here). ...

 

The blog article cites a paper titled: “Estimating the number of COVID vaccine deaths in America” (here), which Rose co-authored alongside Mathew Crawford, a statistician (here). Both appear to be members of a group questioning COVID-19 vaccines."

...

VERDICT

False. COVID-19 vaccines are safe and there is no evidence to suggest they have caused more than 150,000 deaths. The claim is based on misinterpreted data.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-usa/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-suggest-covid-19-vaccines-killed-150000-people-as-analysis-claims-idUSL1N2R00KP

 

AND

As 2021 shambles to a close, the misuse of VAERS by antivaxxers continues apace

"So I thought I should write about Jessica Rose now, as she appears in an article from Sunday titled “What the VAERS Data Tell Us About COVID Jab Safety“.

...

"this interview with Jessica Rose illustrates the various techniques used by antivaxxers like Mercola (and Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., who has had a regular weekly “update” of VAERS reporting for several months now) and thus is worth writing about again, given that Jessica Rose appears to be a rising star in the antivaccine movement and a veritable font of antivaccine disinformation..."

 

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/as-2021-shambles-to-a-close-the-misuse-of-vaers-by-antivaxxers-continues-apace/

 

Edited October 24, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Red Phoenix]

@TallGuyJohninBKK - It's tell-tale that you attempt to discredit David Speicher (MSc, PhD, Former Associate Professor, Biology and Health Sciences – Redeemer University) because he is a member of the Scientific and Medical Advisory Committee of the Canadian Covid Care Alliance.

 

In May 2023 the CCCA published a 21-page report titled

The Building Case Against COVID-19 Vaccination of Students in Canada

 

< source: https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/23MY3_Case-against-C19-vaccine-requirements.pdf >

 

in which they "strongly recommend against any future mandates of COVID-19 vaccination of students in primary, secondary and post-secondary schools and institutions".

 

The Scientific and Medical Advisory Committee that authored that study consists of 18 Authors, of which 13 are University Professors.

• Byram Bridle, MSc, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Pathobiology at the University of Guelph
• Philip Britz-McKibbin, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Chemistry and Chemical Biology, McMaster University
• Glenn Chan, BAA, Patient Advocate
• Claudia Chaufan, MA, MD, PhD, Associate Professor, Health Policy, York University
• John Hardie, BDS, MSc, PhD, FRCDC (retired)
• Ondrej Helgas, MSc, PhD
• York Hsiang, MB, MHSc, FRCSC, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Surgery, University of British Columbia
• Niel Karrow, PhD, Professor of Immunology, Dept. of Animal Biosciences, University of Guelph
• Bonnie Mallard, Msc, PhD, Professor of Immunogenetics, Dept. of Pathobiology, University of Guelph
• Kanji Nakatsu, PhD, Professor Emeritus Pharmacology, Queen's University
• Susan Natsheh, MD, Pediatrician (retired)
• Philip Oldfield, DPhil, CSci, CChem, FRSC (UK) (retired)
• Steven Pelech, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Medicine, University of British Columbia
• Patrick Provost, PhD, Professor, Faculty of Medicine, Université Laval
• Denis Rancourt, PhD, Former Professor, University of Ottawa
• Wendi Roscoe, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Health Science at Fanshawe College
• Christopher A. Shaw, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Ophthalmology, University of British Columbia
• David Speicher, MSc, PhD, Former Associate Professor, Biology and Health Sciences – Redeemer University

[rattlesnake]

On 10/25/2023 at 3:04 AM, Red Phoenix said:

@TallGuyJohninBKK - It's tell-tale that you attempt to discredit David Speicher (MSc, PhD, Former Associate Professor, Biology and Health Sciences – Redeemer University) because he is a member of the Scientific and Medical Advisory Committee of the Canadian Covid Care Alliance.

In May 2023 the CCCA published a 21-page report titled

The Building Case Against COVID-19 Vaccination of Students in Canada

< source: https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/23MY3_Case-against-C19-vaccine-requirements.pdf >

in which they "strongly recommend against any future mandates of COVID-19 vaccination of students in primary, secondary and post-secondary schools and institutions".

The Scientific and Medical Advisory Committee that authored that study consists of 18 Authors, of which 13 are University Professors.

• Byram Bridle, MSc, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Pathobiology at the University of Guelph
• Philip Britz-McKibbin, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Chemistry and Chemical Biology, McMaster University
• Glenn Chan, BAA, Patient Advocate
• Claudia Chaufan, MA, MD, PhD, Associate Professor, Health Policy, York University
• John Hardie, BDS, MSc, PhD, FRCDC (retired)
• Ondrej Helgas, MSc, PhD
• York Hsiang, MB, MHSc, FRCSC, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Surgery, University of British Columbia
• Niel Karrow, PhD, Professor of Immunology, Dept. of Animal Biosciences, University of Guelph
• Bonnie Mallard, Msc, PhD, Professor of Immunogenetics, Dept. of Pathobiology, University of Guelph
• Kanji Nakatsu, PhD, Professor Emeritus Pharmacology, Queen's University
• Susan Natsheh, MD, Pediatrician (retired)
• Philip Oldfield, DPhil, CSci, CChem, FRSC (UK) (retired)
• Steven Pelech, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Medicine, University of British Columbia
• Patrick Provost, PhD, Professor, Faculty of Medicine, Université Laval
• Denis Rancourt, PhD, Former Professor, University of Ottawa
• Wendi Roscoe, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Health Science at Fanshawe College
• Christopher A. Shaw, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Ophthalmology, University of British Columbia
• David Speicher, MSc, PhD, Former Associate Professor, Biology and Health Sciences – Redeemer University

 

No response by the provax cultists, of course. It's best to just close your eyes, cover your ears and go "la la la".

[dhupverg]

12 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

No response by the provax cultists, of course. It's best to just close your eyes, cover your ears and go "la la la".

Shills are going to keep shilling, no matter what evidence is presented.  If good evidence is presented, it will be from a " not a credible source" or " not allowed source" or else a "fact check says it's not true".  All three excuses have been used ad naseum here.