Cannabis Network Gives Health Minister A Warning

[JBChiangRai]

12 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

This is of course incorrect.

 

Cannabis Flower, regardless of THC content, was removed from the Narcotics Lists as of 9 June 2022.

 

 

 

Not true, cannabis under 0.2% THC was removed from the narcotic list, all imported cannabis wasn't and recreational use still remains illegal.  I have already published the ministry's press release listing the conditions referred to in the current narcotic list below. Cannabis over 0.2% is Category 5 on the Narcotics list.

 

[roietfortress]

2 hours ago, stoner said:

what local knowledge would that be ? very curious to hear all the ancient secrets of cannabis thailand is holding onto. 

 

 

yea i think the cat is out of the bag lol

 

cannabis may have come from Asia, but the West mastered it.

 

the main problem i've seen here is a straight up refusal to look for knowledge outside the border. they could have easily put a tax system in place like Colorado and made billions in taxes already.

 

high tax revenue makes legalization a no brainer.

 

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[bamnutsak]

Just now, roietfortress said:

they could have easily put a tax system in place

You mean over and above 7% VAT which is currently collected and remitted to the Government by the thousands of legally licensed sales channels?

 

I think the Cannabis Control Board might have considered additional taxes, just as the Alcohol Control Board, and the Tobacco Control Boards do. The Cannabis Control Board would be enacted by the Cannabis and Hemp Bill.

 

 

More than one million Thai households registered to grow cannabis at home.

 

Nearly 1 million people approved to grow cannabis already

 

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/nearly-1-million-people-approved-to-grow-cannabis-already

 

 

[stoner]

5 minutes ago, roietfortress said:

yea i think the cat is out of the bag lol

 

cannabis may have come from Asia, but the West mastered it.

 

the main problem i've seen here is a straight up refusal to look for knowledge outside the border. they could have easily put a tax system in place like Colorado and made billions in taxes already.

 

high tax revenue makes legalization a no brainer.

 

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canada sorted it out the right way. went home last year and the shops and selection was everything you could ever imagine and want. all taxed regulated and controlled. 

 

those who follow the rules and got the necessary paperwork shouldn't have to worry. 

[bamnutsak]

7 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Not true, cannabis under 0.2% THC was removed from the narcotic list, all imported cannabis wasn't and recreational use still remains illegal. 

Incorrect. Your list is from 2021.

 

Cannabis is classified as a Controlled Herb, and as such all parts of the plant, including inflorescences (flower) are legal.

 

 

 

 

 

[JBChiangRai]

6 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

Incorrect. Your list is from 2021.

 

Cannabis is classified as a Controlled Herb, and as such all parts of the plant, including inflorescences (flower) are legal.

 

 

 

 

 

You're right, my list was from 2021, my mistake & I apologise for that.

 

However, as I said in other posts, the legal uses exclude recreational use & Anutin himself said  at the time of removing it from the Narcotic list that recreational use was illegal.

 

Currently, no check is made on what the grower or purchaser is going to do with it, I can see that changing.  The entire market is currently recreational use which was never what was intended.

 

The government's own press release said only 0.2% THC and below was legal, I've posted that infographic too.

 

The weed shops can only blame themselves for what might be coming.

 

My friend who has the huge growing operation has said he is now growing for stock as the market seems to have evaporated.

[Billybaroo]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

The problem is recreational use.  Recreational use has never been legal.  They removed it as a narcotic providing THC content less than 0.2% and Anutin himself couldn't have been clearer at the time, as he said to CNN...

 

Thai Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said he expected legal cannabis production to boost the economy but cautioned that recreational use of the drug remains illegal.

“It’s a no,” said Anutin, who is also a deputy prime minister. “We still have regulations under the law that control the consumption, smoking or use of cannabis products in non-productive ways.”

Thailand just decriminalized cannabis. But you still can't smoke joints, minister says | CNN

 

The problem is growers and shops didn't listen and followed one another like lemmings.

Every shop sells cannabis bud which is usually >10% THC. I believe the .2% is confined to synthesized THC sold as edibles and oil. 

[roietfortress]

16 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

You mean over and above 7% VAT which is currently collected and remitted to the Government by the thousands of legally licensed sales channels?

yes lol

 

most US states tax cannabis at 25-35% in addition to sales tax.

 

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[fondue zoo]

 

[stoner]

25 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Currently, no check is made on what the grower or purchaser is going to do with it

incorrect. my company does regular monthly reports to the thai govt.

[spidermike007]

In this one move, Sretta and the PT have shown that they are not only anti-progress, but are regressive, conventional, conservative, and backward leaning. They are on the wrong side of history. The war on drugs has failed miserably, and ganga should never be an illegal substance, anywhere. Plus, so much money has been invested, and the economy is already on the brink of further collapse, after the "Prayuth Decimation".

Edited September 23, 2023 by spidermike007

[bamnutsak]

1 hour ago, roietfortress said:

yes lol

 

most US states tax cannabis at 25-35% in addition to sales tax.

 

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In my state the total tax is 20%;  15% go to the state, 5% to the city/town where the sales occur. 

 

Saying it again, the Cannabis Control Board would consider additional taxes (over 7 % VAT), as the ACB/TCB do for alcohol and tobacco.

 

 

 

 

[bamnutsak]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

the legal uses exclude recreational use & Anutin himself said  at the time of removing it from the Narcotic list that recreational use was illegal.

Incorrect.

 

Again. Wow you're on a roll.

 

0-fer today.

 

The law does not identify "legal" uses, it does identify some use limits.

 

Recreational use is NOT illegal, unless you are a lactating woman, or under 20 YO.

 

Recreational use in public, where it causes an annoyance to others is illegal.

 

Thank goodness you have nothing to do with the law or judicial system here.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, XJPSX said:

They can’t pull the pin on this now. 20% of BKK retail would be empty if this happened.

Some of the money retailers have invested on their Fitout’s to sell weed is indicative of the margin they make….even though there are so many of them.

Of course they can pull the pin at any time they want.

 

If the cannabis is not specifically for medical use then the shops are selling illegal drugs openly.

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

However, as I said in other posts, the legal uses exclude recreational use & Anutin himself said  at the time of removing it from the Narcotic list that recreational use was illegal.

Prohibition has never worked. Peeps who wanted to smoke recreationally did before 2022 and will after any future adjustments to ganja laws. 

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

My friend who has the huge growing operation has said he is now growing for stock as the market seems to have evaporated.

Any chance that has something to do with low season? ????

[bamnutsak]

7 minutes ago, billd766 said:

If the cannabis is not specifically for medical use then the shops are selling illegal drugs openly.

With licenses issued by the Government.

 

 

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, roietfortress said:

yes lol

 

most US states tax cannabis at 25-35% in addition to sales tax.

 

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Which is why many in those states still use a "guy" rather than legal sources. Over taxing is a great way to keep the underground market going strong! 

[mikebike]

11 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Of course they can pull the pin at any time they want.

 

If the cannabis is not specifically for medical use then the shops are selling illegal drugs openly.

You mean exactly like every reggae bar before the law was changed!? 

[stoner]

10 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Any chance that has something to do with low season? ????

or maybe not as great a farmer as they thought. 

Edited September 23, 2023 by stoner

[billd766]

2 hours ago, XJPSX said:

They can’t pull the pin on this now. 20% of BKK retail would be empty if this happened.

Some of the money retailers have invested on their Fitout’s to sell weed is indicative of the margin they make….even though there are so many of them.

Of course they can pull the pin at any time they want.

 

If the cannabis is not specifically for medical use then the shops are selling illegal drugs openly.

[billd766]

Has the Cannabis Network been elected to run the country?

[John Drake]

Everybody else is getting screwed over by this government, so it's only right that the marijuana people get their toy taken away too.

[pedro01]

2 hours ago, Billybaroo said:

Unfortunately, one needs quite a high THC level to shut out chronic pain due to illness or nerve conditions. At higher levels cannabis operates like alcohol. You feel happier, but are usually quite bombed. Very difficult to function at that point. 

A friend of mine had MS. He would constantly shake uncontrollably but after 1 or 2 puffs on a joint, he'd be relaxed and no longer shaking. He certainly wasn't at "stoned" level at that point.

[roietfortress]

1 hour ago, mikebike said:

Which is why many in those states still use a "guy" rather than legal sources. Over taxing is a great way to keep the underground market going strong! 

tourists will pay the tax. 

 

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[stoner]

5 minutes ago, roietfortress said:

tourists will pay the tax. 

 

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they absolutely will. 

[bamnutsak]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Has the Cannabis Network been elected to run the country?

 

No.

 

Same-same as the PM.

 

 

[impulse]

6 hours ago, pedro01 said:

There's a lot of drugs that can only be prescribed in a hospital - in other words, the local clinic can't prescribe them. Drugs like Tramadol are a good example - they used to be OTC here but then Thai kids started abusing the stuff mixing it with booze and so they brought in additional restrictions years ago.

I bought Tramadol at Boots last week.  Walk in, no prescription at all.  Just had to put my name on a list of people who purchased it.  Underneath several completely illegible signatures of others who had bought it.  I don't remember the nice lady asking to see if the name matched my passport...

 

I do have one script that can only be filled at a hospital, so your point is valid.  Just not the details, if my experience was any indicator.

 

[billd766]

34 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

 

No.

 

Same-same as the PM.

 

 

Not quite.

 

At least he stood for the election.

 

I don't suppose that any of them did.

[bamnutsak]

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

At least he stood for the election.

I'm not sure that he did.

 

Did he run as an MP candidate?

 

 

Yes, he was "Selected" by a majority of MPs and Senators for PM.