ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[BarraMarra]

55 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Along with the hostages?

Well hopefully they will either be freed but that won't happen as their usefull or rescued which is doubtfull because Hamas will be hiding behind them in the Tunnels.

[Yellowtail]

27 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

I always liked Topcat (and Hong Kong Phooey).

Yeah, TC was the man. 

27 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Your understanding of the polling you're quoting is quite deficient.

 

When asked how they would vote if presidential elections were held in Gaza and the ballot featured Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas, Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority, and Marwan Barghouti, an imprisoned member of the central committee of Fatah, the party led by Abbas, only 24 percent of respondents said they would vote for Haniyeh. Barghouti received the largest share of support at 32 percent and Abbas received 12 percent. 

 

Here's a morsel you can get some milage out of:

 

Most Gazans attributed the lack of food to internal problems rather than to external sanctions. ... In short, Gazans were more likely to blame their material predicament on Hamas’s leadership than on Israel’s economic blockade.

 

This not so much milage for you:

 

Overall, the survey responses indicate that Gazans desire political change. About half of Gazans expressed support for democracy: 48 percent affirmed that “democracy is always preferable to any other kind of government.” Given the low opinion most Gazans hold of their government, it is unsurprising that their disapproval extends to Hamas as a political party. 

 

By and large, Gazans do not share Hamas’s goal of eliminating the state of Israel. When presented with three possible solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (as well as an option to choose “other”), the majority of survey respondents (54 percent) favored the two-state solution outlined in the 1993 Oslo accords.

 

No mention of exterminating Jews in the article so can't give any figures on it - you should just go with your gut feel - it's not as if facts are important to you.

 

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas#:~:text=On the eve of Hamas's,percent of the adult population.

 

Are you claiming hamas does not want to exterminate the all 

 

From your link: 

How much trust do you have in the Hamas-led government? 

A great deal of faith:  ~12%

Quite a lot:                  ~17%

Not a lot:                    ~23%

                                   ~52%

Not at all:                   ~45%

 

So less than half have no faith in the Hamas-led government. How can you claim that is not significant? Clearly hamas is polling better among Palestinians than President Biden is polling among Americans. 

 

More from your link: 

Which party, if any, do you feel closest to?

Fatah                                     ~30%

Hamas                                   ~27%

Palestinian Islamic jihad        ~7%                

Other,                                     ~14%

No party                                 ~15%

Don't know                              ~7%

 

So combined, Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad parties are the largest voting bloc in Palestine, they are both are terrorist groups, and they both want to exterminate all the Jews in Israel, after raping many of them of course. 

 

Why do you cling to the lie that Palestinian support for hamas is insignificant. A smaller percentage of Americans are hard-core Trump supporters, and the left was terrified they were going to overthrow the country with mops and brooms on January 6th. 

 

 

[BarraMarra]

50 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

The Gaza Strip borders Israel and Egypt. Hezbollah are in Lebanon. How does this run thing work, then?

 

Also, again - IDF actually takes this way more seriously than you. Expecting strong resistance in an area favoring the defending team, and casualties involved.

 

All this gung ho stuff is ridiculous.

Terroists are Terroists where ever they are.

[Morch]

Just now, BarraMarra said:

Terroists are Terroists where ever they are.

 

That doesn't have much to do with your previous post.

[BarraMarra]

48 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

Maybe needs a rethink there BarraMarra

Nope their vermin.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

Once the IDF go further into Gaza Air Strikes will cease unless there called in from a spotter. Then we will see how Hamas fight. But I suspect they will run through the tunnels to join up with Hezbolah they won't take on the Israeli army.

 

The tunnels are in Gaza, nowhere near Hezbollah, who are located in southern Lebanon.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, deejai33 said:

Its good to be discussing a full solution to this 100+ years conflict.

 

I disagree with you that a zero-state solution for Palestinians will be the outcome, when the Palestinians die out or leave their lands.

 

More opimistically, can I offer this at first sight overly optimistic 2 state option:

 

1. Palestinians realize they won't get the entire land of Palestine back.  They won't win against Israel which has unswerving support from USA. 2 aircraft carriers, surely makes that clear.

 

2. Israel needs to come clean about the history of Zionism since 1895 and apologize.

 

Just as countries such as Holland are now apologizing and accepting their role and immoral actions in creating colonies, slavery.   Say sorry, accept it waa wrong to push native population out of lands they colonised.

 

Israel can say sorry.  Forgive us.  But we are in Israel now, and prospering.  Israel can then offer to help make a viable palestinian state with genuinely fair share of the territory.  And offer to help palestinians build it and prosper.

 

Palestinians can see this as an honest attempt to move on.  Agree to work for a fair 2 state solution.

 

How about that for a happy ending ! I should become a statesman.

 

Both sides giving up strongly felt beliefs and animosity for a peaceful future.

 

 

 By George you've got it!

You've come up the best of all possible world's blueprint for peace for

...

 

 

Wait for it

...

 

 

Cloud Cuckooland!

 

Where have you been hiding all these decades?

 

Nobel prize awaits.

[Thorgal]

Just now, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

The tunnels are in Gaza, nowhere near Hezbollah, who are located in southern Lebanon.

 

You can perhaps take the superhighway under Jaffa/Tel Aviv...

 

 

[BarraMarra]

Just now, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

The tunnels are in Gaza, nowhere near Hezbollah, who are located in southern Lebanon.

Its a tongue in cheek comment Eloquent the sme way they re- supply through them. Without going down their we have no idea realy how many are dug and how far they go.

[BarraMarra]

The one certain thing we do know is the IDF are advancing into Gaza and dismantleing Hamas and taking out there top hench men.

[transam]

Can't remember if I posted this....🤭

Worth listening too, or reading...

 

 

[owl sees all]

10 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

You can perhaps take the superhighway under Jaffa/Tel Aviv...

 

 

Is that a Toyota or an MG?

[BarraMarra]

Sir Keir Starmer has just issued a statement calling for a Humanitarian Pause and a cease fire will not be a correct decistion at this time.

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Is that a Toyota or an MG?

Not sure, it has UN plates

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Sir Keir Starmer has just issued a statement calling for a Humanitarian Pause and a cease fire will not be a correct decistion at this time.

Hillary Clinton too.

[Jingthing]

15 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

The one certain thing we do know is the IDF are advancing into Gaza and dismantleing Hamas and taking out there top hench men.

 

Inshalla dude

[coolcarer]

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Terrible decision politically, but they will stop at nothing to get supremacy in the region. For years they have had Apartheid and persecuted non Jews. 

They can't travel, no equal rights, and can't become Israeli citizens, this is morally wrong. 

Even a Palestinian born in Israel, marries an Israeli, has kids, can't get a passport. Is it any wonder they dislike them. 

Muslim and Christians within Israel have equal rights and many become parliamentarians, judges, diplomats, public health officials, and IDF generals. About 1.7 million Muslims live in Israel with a yearly population growth. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Israel

[BarraMarra]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Can't remember if I posted this....🤭

Worth listening too, or reading...

 

 

TragicTransam having to burry your parents together Murdered. Just one of many heartbreaking incidents like this from the 7th Oct. Having a fun time at a concert with your friends next time you see them their in body bags because of these Monsters yet members on here think you can sit down and discuss a ceasefire with them. Why did these specifically at a concert have to lose their lives ?

[MrMojoRisin]

18 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

The one certain thing we do know is the IDF are advancing into Gaza and dismantleing Hamas and taking out there top hench men.

Carefully stepping over the dead babies and dismembered corpses one presumes.

Respect.

[Thorgal]

14 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Is that a Toyota or an MG?

 

Toyota Hilux with new front tires from first owner.

[BarraMarra]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Carefully stepping over the dead babies and dismembered corpses one presumes.

Respect.

Disgusting but carry on your hanging yourself.

[BarraMarra]

2 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Toyota Hilux with new front tires from first owner.

Off Topic

 

3 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Toyota Hilux with new front tires from first owner.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

10 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Muslim and Christians within Israel have equal rights and many become parliamentarians, judges, diplomats, public health officials, and IDF generals. About 1.7 million Muslims live in Israel with a yearly population growth. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Israel

Is the reality as rosy as you paint it here?

 

Many Arab citizens feel that the state, as well as society at large, not only actively limits them to second-class citizenship, but treats them as enemies, affecting their perception of the de jure versus de facto quality of their citizenship

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#:~:text=In 1966%2C martial law was,as Jewish citizens under law.

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Is the reality as rosy as you paint it here?

 

Many Arab citizens feel that the state, as well as society at large, not only actively limits them to second-class citizenship, but treats them as enemies, affecting their perception of the de jure versus de facto quality of their citizenship

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#:~:text=In 1966%2C martial law was,as Jewish citizens under law.

Dude, you popped out of the tunnel now? So where is this link to the cold hard facts you claimed? 

[MrMojoRisin]

Just now, coolcarer said:

Dude, you popped out of the tunnel now? So where is this link to the cold hard facts you claimed? 

Coming my friend, a little patience please.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

TragicTransam having to burry your parents together Murdered. Just one of many heartbreaking incidents like this from the 7th Oct. Having a fun time at a concert with your friends next time you see them their in body bags because of these Monsters yet members on here think you can sit down and discuss a ceasefire with them. Why did these specifically at a concert have to lose their lives ?

I agree, the few terrorist supporters here are just anti-Jew, sticks out a mile, they don't ever think about the 6,000,000 million Jews who were murdered by the Nazi Germans.

The aftermath of that was that Israel built a country with its own defences, so it never happens again.

Built up their own forces to deal with what ever is thrown at them. The Hamas thing was a hit-and-run, but they made a huge mistake, and will, and are paying for it.

 

Like the Nazi German exterminators of the Jews, they will be found and dealt with.....😏

[coolcarer]

Just now, MrMojoRisin said:

Coming my friend, a little patience please.

Yea all talk and no substance, just like the rest of your posts

[deejai33]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Oh dear, another one.

 

So to cap:

 

Israel apologizes, the Palestinians graciously accept, and all is well.

 

Yeah.....that'd work. 

Yes, optimistic yes. Fanciful, maybe.

 

Treat Palestinians and Israelis as equals and both now entitled to viable fair shares to the region.

 

Acknowledge the past and its mistakes and move on.

[BarraMarra]

2 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

Yes, optimistic yes. Fanciful, maybe.

 

Treat Palestinians and Israelis as equals and both now entitled to viable fair shares to the region.

 

Acknowledge the past and its mistakes and move on.

is that how it works in your World deejai33 kidnap rape butcher murder civilians but hey forgive and forget ?

[MrMojoRisin]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Like the Nazi German exterminators of the Jews, they will be found and dealt with.....😏

It’s not going to bring the dead back though is it?

In fact, it probably just guarantees  there’ll be more unnecessary death on both sides in the days, months and years ahead.

 

Maybe it’s time to give peace a chance.

 

What would Yitzak Rabin do?