ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Wobblybob]

Just now, couchpotato said:

So if that is what they want, then maybe they should stop stealing land for settlements, should stop harassment of Palestinian workers that help their economy, should let them worship and not harassed by religious zealots, plus plus.

Yada yada yada. It's another stuck record. Maybe Palestine should stop bombing Israel! They have a right to protect their citizens!

[MrMojoRisin]

1 minute ago, Wobblybob said:

Two can play your deflective game, why do they constantly bomb Israel. Are you saying the Palestinians want peace if you do I have a London Bridge to sell you.

Because of the expansionary settlements and oppressive occupation.

Yes, the majority of Palestinians want a two state solution.

 

By and large, Gazans do not share Hamas’s goal of eliminating the state of Israel. When presented with three possible solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (as well as an option to choose “other”), the majority of survey respondents (54 percent) favored the two-state solution outlined in the 1993 Oslo accords. In this scenario, the state of Palestine would sit alongside the state of Israel, their borders based on the de facto boundary that existed before the 1967 Six-Day War. The level of support for this resolution has not changed much since 2021; in that survey, 58 percent of respondents in Gaza selected the two-state solution.

 

(Link is free for first time visitor's and behind a paywall for those who have already used their one free article)

 

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas#:~:text=On the eve of Hamas's,percent of the adult population.

[Wobblybob]

Just now, MrMojoRisin said:

Palestinian babies!

Are you appalled at the deaths of the Palestinian babies?

We are all appalled at your attempt to point score using dead babies as your weapon of choice!

[Eloquent pilgrim]

16 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

And here is the heart of the problem.

 

There are but three possible solutions:

 

1. One state solution 

2. Two state solution, independent side by side states 

3. Genocide

 

What does Israel want?

 

Number one is off the table because demographics would make the Jews a minority and as much as they love to claim they are the only democracy in the Middle East, they won't accept a democracy where Arabs have the numerical advantage. The world won't accept apartheid which is what the Israeli's really want so no acceptable outcome for Israel here

 

Number two is off the table because the Israeli's won't give up the land they have already stolen so every offer is always going to be unacceptable to the Palestinians, additionally a defined border prevents further land theft. The idea of Jordan absorbing the West Bank and Egypt absorbing Gaza doesn't work as this option would still require a defined border with Israel and the Israeli's will not like that because, as mentioned, it ends their ability to keep stealing land.

 

Number three appears to be the Israeli's preferred option. A slow moving genocide of an entire people. Make life as unbearable as possible in the hope that the Palestinians will give up and leave of their volition until their numbers dwindle to such a level that option one - a one state solution becomes viable.

 

 

You have posted countless comments either supporting, excusing, justifying or deflecting from the terrorism of Hamas. Some of your earlier comments were slightly more considered and nuanced, but now accusing Israel of wanting the genocide of the Palestinian people, you seem to have completely abandoned any earlier pretence of balance.

 

You thus expose yourself as a supporter of the terrorism of Hamas. You will no doubt reply with some false equivalence of Israel being terrorists, because it seems to be the only methodology you use when defending Hamas.

[Neeranam]

 

4 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

We are all appalled at your attempt to point score using dead babies as your weapon of choice!

'We'?

 

You were doing exactly that earlier today, come on man. 

[Yellowtail]

10 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Palestinian babies!

Are you appalled at the deaths of the Palestinian babies?

I am

[MrMojoRisin]

20 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Okay, so why does Palestine not fight back by attacking the people actually encroaching into their area? Why sneak into Israel's area to rape and kill a lot of defenseless innocent people, including women, children and babies? 

 

How is that fighting back?

 

How does one have sympathy for that? 

 

Mismatched capabilities.

 

A full frontal assault on an adversary overwhelmingly more powerful than you is suicide.

Hamas's aim was to commit an attack that would enrage the Israeli's into a overly brutal response that would leave the rest of the Arab world no option but to get involved.

 

So far, it's all going exactly to Hamas's plan.

 

There is no sympathy, just cold hard facts.

Edited October 31, 2023 by MrMojoRisin

[Yellowtail]

9 minutes ago, TimeMachine said:

Ask them. I don't know exact details. You would need to be in the thick of it. I don't dare speculate why babies are killed.

Right. Carry on.

[MrMojoRisin]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

I am

Good.

It is evidence of humanity.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Mismatched capabilities.

 

A full frontal assault on an adversary overwhelmingly more powerful than you is suicide.

Hamas's aim was to commit an attack that would enrage the Israeli's into a overly brutal response that would leave the rest of the Arab world no option but to get involved.

 

So far, it's all going exactly to Hamas's plan.

 

There is no sympathy, just cold hard facts.

 

You're lying again. I said nothing of a full-frontal assault. Please re-read my post and apologize. 

[Hanaguma]

If you want to know why Gaza is so poor, in spite if massive infusions of aid money, look no further than Hamas.  They have built a tunnel system that some say is 500km in length under and around Gaza.  It honeycombs the area beneath the city. One of the recently released hostages described it as like a spider's web.  This is the key to wiping out Hamas. Smoke them out of their tunnels and destroy the facilities.  

[MrMojoRisin]

6 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

You have posted countless comments either supporting, excusing, justifying or deflecting from the terrorism of Hamas. Some of your earlier comments were slightly more considered and nuanced, but now accusing Israel of wanting the genocide of the Palestinian people, you seem to have completely abandoned any earlier pretence of balance.

 

You thus expose yourself as a supporter of the terrorism of Hamas. You will no doubt reply with some false equivalence of Israel being terrorists, because it seems to be the only methodology you use when defending Hamas.

 

In your opinion, what is Israel's preferred path to peace?

Does Israel want a one or two state solution?

What is their current official position in regards to their preferred option?

 

Can you answer the questions maturely, without resorting to childish point scoring?

[MrMojoRisin]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

 

You're lying again. I said nothing of a full-frontal assault. Please re-read my post and apologize. 

 

I never attributed "full frontal assault" to you, I was merely explaining why Hamas resorts to terrorism.

[MrMojoRisin]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

If you want to know why Gaza is so poor, in spite if massive infusions of aid money, look no further than Hamas.  They have built a tunnel system that some say is 500km in length under and around Gaza.  It honeycombs the area beneath the city. One of the recently released hostages described it as like a spider's web.  This is the key to wiping out Hamas. Smoke them out of their tunnels and destroy the facilities.  

 

The only people who can wipe out Hamas are the Palestinians.

 

Israel can keep killing Palestinian babies until the cows come home and all they'll achieve is a strengthened Hamas.

[TimeMachine]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

In your opinion, what is Israel's preferred path to peace?

Does Israel want a one or two state solution?

What is their current official position in regards to their preferred option?

 

Can you answer the questions maturely, without resorting to childish point scoring?

Just on the news. Israel going full out. They will eventually take over all the area. They will not ceasefire until Hamas gone. But surely terrorist strikes will continue until many new generations slowly forget.

[transam]

16 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Hear hear.

Oh, no...........😬

[coolcarer]

7 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Mismatched capabilities.

 

A full frontal assault on an adversary overwhelmingly more powerful than you is suicide.

Hamas's aim was to commit an attack that would enrage the Israeli's into a overly brutal response that would leave the rest of the Arab world no option but to get involved.

 

So far, it's all going exactly to Hamas's plan.

 

There is no sympathy, just cold hard facts.

Link to these cold hard facts please including on how this is going exactly to plan for them considering recent news.

[Neeranam]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

If you want to know why Gaza is so poor, in spite if massive infusions of aid money, look no further than Hamas.  They have built a tunnel system that some say is 500km in length under and around Gaza.  It honeycombs the area beneath the city. One of the recently released hostages described it as like a spider's web.  This is the key to wiping out Hamas. Smoke them out of their tunnels and destroy the facilities.  

There's no other reasons why Gaza is so poor? 

Hint, something the Israelis did.

[transam]

17 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

I've given you a heart emoji for this intellectual literary masterpiece.

Congrats.

For a cornered, no answer, Hamas supporter, there's nothing else you could do......😒 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

I never attributed "full frontal assault" to you, I was merely explaining why Hamas resorts to terrorism.

No, but you were responding to my question: "Okay, so why does Palestine not fight back by attacking the people actually encroaching into their area? Why sneak into Israel's area to rape and kill a lot of defenseless innocent people, including women, children and babies?"

 

And as usual, you do not actually answer my question, just make something up. 

 

[Neeranam]

20 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

I've given you a heart emoji for this intellectual literary masterpiece.

Congrats.

You should check out his 15,000 posts on the Word Association threads 😂 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

The only people who can wipe out Hamas are the Palestinians.

 

Israel can keep killing Palestinian babies until the cows come home and all they'll achieve is a strengthened Hamas.

Tool.........................

[Wobblybob]

Just now, MrMojoRisin said:

Because of the expansionary settlements and oppressive occupation.

Yes, the majority of Palestinians want a two state solution.

 

By and large, Gazans do not share Hamas’s goal of eliminating the state of Israel. When presented with three possible solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (as well as an option to choose “other”), the majority of survey respondents (54 percent) favored the two-state solution outlined in the 1993 Oslo accords. In this scenario, the state of Palestine would sit alongside the state of Israel, their borders based on the de facto boundary that existed before the 1967 Six-Day War. The level of support for this resolution has not changed much since 2021; in that survey, 58 percent of respondents in Gaza selected the two-state solution.

 

(Link is free for first time visitor's and behind a paywall for those who have already used their one free article)

 

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas#:~:text=On the eve of Hamas's,percent of the adult population.

Yes we could find anything we wanted to suit our narratives on the internet, and indeed you are very skilled at doing just that, but it doesn't alter the fact that the Palestinian terrorists started this whole shebang, there wouldn't be any deaths and why do you avoid the most obvious of reasons to these deplorable actions and venture down deflection drive. 

Nothing excuses the actions of the Palestinian Terrorists on the 7th October.

 

 

[transam]

Just now, Neeranam said:

You should check out his 15,000 posts on the Word Association threads 😂 

Oh, no.................😬

[Wobblybob]

Just now, Neeranam said:

 

'We'?

 

You were doing exactly that earlier today, come on man. 

We = the thinkers of this thread. HTH

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

There's no other reasons why Gaza is so poor? 

Hint, something the Israelis did.

You're right, I forgot. In 2005. 8,000 Israelis moved out of Gaza. They foolishly left behind greenhouses and materials for the Gazans to use. Millions of dollars in outside aid also came in. But the Gazans wisely refused to copy the dirty Jews and try to make money by growing flowers and other valuable crops. No, they wisely decided to loot and burn anything left behind by the departing Jews. Turned the piping onto rockets to get revenge on them.  So yes, the Jews in  way sowed the seeds of their own discomfort.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

You should check out his 15,000 posts on the Word Association threads 😂 

You should probably stick to the topic or get back to your bitcoin posts

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

The only people who can wipe out Hamas are the Palestinians.

 

Israel can keep killing Palestinian babies until the cows come home and all they'll achieve is a strengthened Hamas.

They do not have to kill babies until the cows come home, they only have to kill keep killing hamas until the Palestinians are free of them. 

 

 

[deejai33]

19 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I understand. 

Would you believe the US figures, as they support Israel? 

As you say both US and Hamas figures might be suspect.   Need some well-respected organisations to provide figures.    

 

As workaround, take hamas figures as top of range, and US, or Israeli, figures as bottom.  Although neither US or Israel seem to have given their estimates of palestinian deaths.

 

Odd as Israel is on the scene and dropping the bombs.  Has drone and satellite images, informers, intercepts calls.  Surely israel must have figures on  palestinian deaths.  Why do they not publish them ?  Their aim is to kill hamas operatives, surely they must keep track of deaths to know if they are succeeding ?

Edited October 31, 2023 by deejai33

[MrMojoRisin]

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

You're right, I forgot. In 2005. 8,000 Israelis moved out of Gaza. They foolishly left behind greenhouses and materials for the Gazans to use. Millions of dollars in outside aid also came in. But the Gazans wisely refused to copy the dirty Jews and try to make money by growing flowers and other valuable crops. No, they wisely decided to loot and burn anything left behind by the departing Jews. Turned the piping onto rockets to get revenge on them.  So yes, the Jews in  way sowed the seeds of their own discomfort.

Looks like those 8,000 Israeli's may soon be moving back in.

 

Bombshell ‘plan’ for Gaza surfaces

A bombshell plan to permanently relocate 2.3 million Palestinians from the Gaza Strip to Egypt has surfaced, which critics say exposes Israel’s true objective.

Israel’s Intelligence Ministry has devised the wartime proposal, which outlines the transfer of the entire population of the disputed territory to the Sinai Peninsula in Egypt.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu insisted the report was “a concept paper” drafted as part of a hypothetical exercise.

 

A leaked copy of the report, which said it was drafted on 13 October, just days after the Hamas massacres of 7 October, offers strategies “to effect a significant change in the civilian reality in the Gaza Strip”.

It proposes moving the millions of people who reside in Israel to tent cities in Sinai while permanent cities in a humanitarian corridor are constructed.

A security perimeter would then be established on the Israeli border to prevent displaced Palestinians from returning to Gaza.

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/israelhamas-conflict-grim-fate-of-german-tattoo-artist-thought-to-have-been-kidnapped-by-hamas-revealed/news-story/e758830dc9df876451bc234073532d60

Edited October 31, 2023 by MrMojoRisin