9 minutes ago, Morch said:

Could you get back to the here and now?

Here and now you are avoiding giving me an answer.

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Tu quoque  has been a specialty of certain political stripe since the IMT. 

Booze or hash ?

4 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

Here and now you are avoiding giving me an answer.

That is  not true. I have addressed the same point earlier. This has come up even on a parallel topic. Not quite sure what is it you're after - both sides have their list of sins, grievances etc., both had leaders with dodgy history. You're obsessed with one side, not bothering to reply to points made, and just repeat the bits on a loop.  

2 hours ago, kalasiner said:

I hope this post is not against forum rules.

 

I earlier posted a link to a youtube video, but the post was deleted.

I recommend to all posters the video of Dr. Gabor Mate speaking  out on Israel and Palestine.

It is an honest and moving appraisal by a Holocaust survivor. 

 

 

oh look, there’s a squirrel

13 minutes ago, Morch said:

That is  not true. I have addressed the same point earlier. This has come up even on a parallel topic. Not quite sure what is it you're after - both sides have their list of sins, grievances etc., both had leaders with dodgy history. You're obsessed with one side, not bothering to reply to points made, and just repeat the bits on a loop.  

So, no answer to my question. I am after an understanding that Israel has treated Palestinians atrociously for 75 years; so that Hamas is very much a monster which Israeli terrorism has created.

What points have I not replied to?

1 hour ago, Morch said:

Nothing to do with what I posted, why respond to my post with this?

 

Anyway, nothing new there. Some ultra orthodoxs always do this crap. What does it have to do with anything and why how does it pertain to the topic?

 

Not expecting you to actually provide a link, source or anything - not your thing.

Oh sorry, I taught that these people could also air their voice, being the only democracy in the region.

 

I like those Ultra Orthodox people !

 

Do you have any credible link of the mass killings and rapings?

2 hours ago, kalasiner said:

Please note and later watch the video....it's worthwhile.

 

It is not a repost; the 1st was a link and the 2nd a recommendation....I will see.

On the other hand, I would welcome some "prosperous" coming my way !

I can guess what she says , no need to listen 

2 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

So, no answer to my question. I am after an understanding that Israel has treated Palestinians atrociously for 75 years; so that Hamas is very much a monster which Israeli terrorism has created.

What points have I not replied to?

I have replied to your posts several times, stop making things up. You seem to be unsatisfied unless you receive answers exactly matching your opinions. Can't help you with that.

 

Israel treated the Palestinians badly, Palestinians did bad things to Israelis, and so on and so forth. You want to say that they are both the same? We'll have to disagree. You want to frame the Hamas attack as something Israel is responsible to? That's your choice. Said it before, resistance is one thing, murder is another. And before you start that loop again - there is no, and there was no similar level of popular support for such things. Maybe you feel that is immaterial, we'll have to disagree as well.

 

I have pointed out that you are pretty much on your own with that 'terrorist state' bit, you have no coherent reply. I have pointed out past and present Palestinian leadership was/is 'terrorist' as well - and not much comment.

10 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Oh sorry, I taught that these people could also air their voice, being the only democracy in the region.

 

I like those Ultra Orthodox people !

 

Do you have any credible link of the mass killings and rapings?

Lame trolling.

7 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Oh sorry, I taught that these people could also air their voice, being the only democracy in the region.

 

I like those Ultra Orthodox people !

 

Orthodox Jews can indeed and do voice their opinion and they have been voicing their opinion ever since Israel was created .

   No one has said that Orthodox Jews shouldn't voice their opinion .

   Those guys aren't very popular in Israel

22 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

So, no answer to my question. I am after an understanding that Israel has treated Palestinians atrociously for 75 years; so that Hamas is very much a monster which Israeli terrorism has created.

What points have I not replied to?

Palestinians play football for Israel's National football team and Palestinians sit in Israel's Parliament after being voted in by the electorate  .

   Hamas terrorism is caused by themselves not accepting the state of Israel and keep fighting against it 

Back on topic....

 

Reports on Arab media (will link if and when an ok English version pops) say there's already an Israeli delegation in Egypt, for talks regarding the situation. This includes ways to open the Egyptian border for supplies and humanitarian aid, allowing foreign national out - while stopping Hamas leaders from escaping.

 

As an aside it was also reported there's heavy pressure by the US for the swift release of Americans - and there might be something in the works (this was on various outlets, but nothing credible yet) - maybe part of the same talks as above.

 

Hope some understanding will be reached.

4 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Funny game they play disrespecting people who gave there life for there country

I'm talking about the posters on here who don't want to contribute they just won't Acknowledge what barbaric acts Hamas have comitted not one of them have mentioned there attack on civilians.

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Outed

Explain to us kalisiner why Hamas told the civilians in Gaza to stay ??

3 hours ago, Thorgal said:

As per forum rules you didn't provide any credible link.

 

As per Jewish tradition there wasn't a funeral or national mourning within 24 hours.

 

I've discussed this with Jewish friends online and they pointed me this particularity.

Your links are from dodgy sites that are against rules.

1 hour ago, kalasiner said:

"the deliberate murder of civilians" like the hotel bombing, the murder of the UN monitor and the Deir Yassin massacre which Begin hailed as a "splendid act of conquest" ?

Whataboutism

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Tu quoque  has been a specialty of certain political stripe since the IMT. 

Can you Translate into English.

58 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Oh sorry, I taught that these people could also air their voice, being the only democracy in the region.

 

I like those Ultra Orthodox people !

 

Do you have any credible link of the mass killings and rapings?

Behave yourself your making a fool out out yourself.

2 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

Explain, BarraMarra, how arrogant you have to be to command a poster to post on your demand.

get back on topic this has nothing to do with the present topic

Is that the best you can do kalasiner? does he want videos of shot burned kids or the bodys in bags at a concert, so yes he needs to think what he is posting. Would you like to defend his post about video evidence ?

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Tu quoque  has been a specialty of certain political stripe since the IMT. 

english only

Just now, MikeandDow said:

get back on topic this has nothing to do with the present topic

Some Israeli Jews are raising their concerns not to bomb Gaza and to fight with the Israeli police. Why is this off topic ?

 

I'm asking in vain to receive credible links of the 40 beheaded babies, raped women and 260 victims of the rave party ?

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

Some Israeli Jews are raising their concerns not to bomb Gaza and to fight with the Israeli police. Why is this off topic ?

 

 

You are deliberately being rather deceptive there .

You know why and I dont need to explain 

5 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Some Israeli Jews are raising their concerns not to bomb Gaza and to fight with the Israeli police. Why is this off topic ?

 

I'm asking in vain to receive credible links of the 40 beheaded babies, raped women and 260 victims of the rave party ?

Luckily in the West these videos are removed due to the sesitivity of the content. Im sure you will know sites these can be seen. try and post one on here then you will know why there not posted on MSM. Maybe you have not been watching the news theres a reason why Israel wants Hamas destoyed I'll give you a clue it has nothing to do with destoying Gaza.

7 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Some Israeli Jews are raising their concerns not to bomb Gaza and to fight with the Israeli police. Why is this off topic ?

 

I'm asking in vain to receive credible links of the 40 beheaded babies, raped women and 260 victims of the rave party ?

Why do you keep wanting these links to be posted ?

Its like you keep going on about Hitler , Nazis and the Holocaust , like you are deliberately trying to antagonise any Jewish posters

 

 

"Israeli music festival: 260 bodies recovered from site where people fled in hail of bullets"

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67047034

12 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Is that the best you can do kalasiner? does he want videos of shot burned kids or the bodys in bags at a concert, so yes he needs to think what he is posting. Would you like to defend his post about video evidence ?

What are you talking about ?. Who is "he" ?

12 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Is that the best you can do kalasiner? does he want videos of shot burned kids or the bodys in bags at a concert, so yes he needs to think what he is posting. Would you like to defend his post about video evidence ?

The ethnic cleansing of Gaza - bombing with JDAM smart bombs - is based on 40 beheaded babies, raped women and 260 youngsters killed at a rave party.

 

I'm just asking to back this up if this is used as an argument for carpet bombing of Gaza.

 

 

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

The ethnic cleansing of Gaza - bombing with JDAM smart bombs - is based on 40 beheaded babies, raped women and 260 youngsters killed at a rave party.

 

I'm just asking to back this up if this is used as an argument for carpet bombing of Gaza.

 

 

The retaliation attacks in Gaza are because of the terror attack last week-end , the retaliatory attacks are not because of any one aspect of the terror attacks 

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The retaliation attacks in Gaza are because of the terror attack last week-end , the retaliatory attacks are not because of any one aspect of the terror attacks 

Iran has also been blamed to be involved ? Is there any proof of direct involvement with Hamas ?

 

2 US aircraft carriers with escort will relocate to the Mediterranean sea. 

 

6 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Iran has also been blamed to be involved ? Is there any proof of direct involvement with Hamas ?

 

2 US aircraft carriers with escort will relocate to the Mediterranean sea. 

 

You must know the answer to those questions .

Its been widely publicised in the media