'Nobody could help us' - Shock and anger in Israel's Ashkelon

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Sunday should have been the start of the working week and the return to school in the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon, with the end of the Jewish high holidays.

Instead, the streets were virtually empty.

Just a day ago, some of the hundreds of Palestinian gunmen who from Gaza were at large here and shocking events have continued to unfold nearby.

Social media video shows Israeli forces pursuing militants who had stolen a car. They were killed in a dramatic shootout on the roadside.

The only small crowds we encounter are by the Barzilai Medical Center. Weary medics stand by the entrance to the emergency ward. They have treated more than 400 patients because of the surprise attack by Hamas, the militant group which governs Gaza.

"It was very difficult, a lot of casualties have been brought one after one, one after one very quickly," says the hospital's general director, Prof Hezi Levy. "I am very experienced, but I haven't seen in my life such a scenario."

 

One 30-year-old man having a cigarette looks badly shaken. He tells me he is a medical worker from Tel Aviv but is here as a patient after joining an overnight dance party in the fields near Gaza which ended catastrophically on Saturday morning. He asks that I do not use his name.

He has been shot in the hand, losing a finger, and has wounds on his head.

"In the morning, the rocket fire started. Everyone got scared and started running towards the road to drive home. As we got on the road, the gunfire began. It was really shocking. People were murdered, there were car accidents," the man says.

"I called the police. Nobody could help us. For an hour and a half, we sat inside a battle, helpless. Eventually I got into the car with some people. I'm a medic so I tried to evacuate two wounded. As I reached a junction I saw people in army fatigues - but they weren't military - they started firing at me."

 

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Many Israelis I meet are shocked at how their powerful security forces were overwhelmed by the scale and complexity of the Hamas operation. Now there are complaints of a lack of help from the authorities.

 

FULL STORY

[Tug]

Lack of help and totally unprepared a real black eye big time <deleted> it will be interesting after the smoke clears to read the results of the investigation as to how the israli defense forces botched this

Edited October 9, 2023 by metisdead
Profane acronym removed.

[thaibeachlovers]

Some hard questions will be asked as to how the suppressed Gazans were able to carry out this operation. A MASSIVE failure of Israel's intelligence and military.

[Flying Saucage]

Efrat Feningson, former IDF officer, asks the right questions:

 

[thaipo7]

Tug - The Left in Israel is even worse than in the US.  I think the problems with this keeping the government busy caused the intelligence people to not do a very good job of being informed on what was going to happen.  There have been problems in the military ranks too.  Israel is known for having the best Intelligence apparatus in the world.  They really got caught off guard this time.  In 1973 at the start of that war, I was at McGuire AFB volunteering to be a loadmaster on the C-5.  But they let me sit all day not caring that I was there to sign up for the reserves and at the end of the day, I just left.  Hope they get their act together and the US provides what is need for their survival.

[Isaan sailor]

Where did Hamas get thee funding for this?  Iran claims they did.

[Nick Carter icp]

13 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Where did Hamas get thee funding for this?  Iran claims they did.

It was just a month ago that Iran received 6 Billion $ from the USA. 

  Wonder whether that money paid for this attack?

[billd766]

I have not seen many posters on here supporting the Palestinians when Israel attacks them with tanks, ground attack aircraft and helicopter gunships.

 

23 minutes ago, Flying Saucage said:

Efrat Feningson, former IDF officer, asks the right questions:

 

The lady here is incorrect about when the war started. That was in in 1948 when Israel was "given" a lump of Palestine and it has gone downhill ever since.

[billd766]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

It was just a month ago that Iran received 6 Billion $ from the USA. 

  Wonder whether that money paid for this attack?

quote "It was just a month ago that Iran received 6 Billion $ from the USA".

 

That money belonged to Iran in the first place and was NOT received from the USA, but RETURNED to Iran.

 

https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=571814303&rlz=1C1CHBF_enTH1026TH1026&sxsrf=AM9HkKmasam1bTTzTYbJGSFzKcArcLjcpQ:1696831393285&q=Iran+received+6+Billion+$+from+the+US&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGw8LDpeiBAxUYTWwGHa5eD0wQBSgAegQICBAB&biw=1024&bih=441&dpr=1.88

 

WHAT WAS THE IRAN PRISONER SWAP DEAL? In August, details were made public of a complicated agreement that President Joe Biden approved. Five U.S. citizens detained by Tehran were allowed to leave the country in exchange for the transfer of $6 billion in Iranian funds that had been frozen in South Korea.

 

I DO wish that you would do some research before posting misleading statements.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

quote "It was just a month ago that Iran received 6 Billion $ from the USA".

 

That money belonged to Iran in the first place and was NOT received from the USA, but RETURNED to Iran.

 

https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=571814303&rlz=1C1CHBF_enTH1026TH1026&sxsrf=AM9HkKmasam1bTTzTYbJGSFzKcArcLjcpQ:1696831393285&q=Iran+received+6+Billion+$+from+the+US&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGw8LDpeiBAxUYTWwGHa5eD0wQBSgAegQICBAB&biw=1024&bih=441&dpr=1.88

 

WHAT WAS THE IRAN PRISONER SWAP DEAL? In August, details were made public of a complicated agreement that President Joe Biden approved. Five U.S. citizens detained by Tehran were allowed to leave the country in exchange for the transfer of $6 billion in Iranian funds that had been frozen in South Korea.

 

I DO wish that you would do some research before posting misleading statements.

It really doesn't matter how or why the money went from USA to Iran or whose money it is or was . 

   Last month 6 Billion $ was made available to Iran and it was made available after USA agreement . 

  That is besides the point though . 

Was any of that money used to fund this attack ?

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

It really doesn't matter how or why the money went from USA to Iran or whose money it is or was . 

   Last month 6 Billion $ was made available to Iran and it was made available after USA agreement . 

  That is besides the point though . 

Was any of that money used to fund this attack ?

Of course it matters.

 

The money never belonged to the US in the first place.

 

If you really want to know if any of that money was used, why ask anybody on an insignificant English website in Thailand?

 

Do you really think anybody here has any idea.

 

Why not send a message to the nearest Iran embassy or diplomatic mission or you could ask the Iranian government directly.

 

Here is a list to get you started.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diplomatic_missions_of_Iran

 

Alternatively contact the Iran Ministry of Foreign Affairs at https://en.mfa.ir/

 

Make sure your request for information is made in the correct language as you may not get a reply.

 

Although Persian (Farsi) is the predominant and official language of Iran, a number of languages and dialects from three language families—Indo-European, Altaic, and Afro-Asiatic—are spoken. Roughly three-fourths of Iranians speak one of the Indo-European languages.

[Nick Carter icp]

29 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Of course it matters.

 

The money never belonged to the US in the first place.

 

If you really want to know if any of that money was used, why ask anybody on an insignificant English website in Thailand?

 

Do you really think anybody here has any idea.

 

Why not send a message to the nearest Iran embassy or diplomatic mission or you could ask the Iranian government directly.

 

Here is a list to get you started.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diplomatic_missions_of_Iran

 

Alternatively contact the Iran Ministry of Foreign Affairs at https://en.mfa.ir/

 

Make sure your request for information is made in the correct language as you may not get a reply.

 

Although Persian (Farsi) is the predominant and official language of Iran, a number of languages and dialects from three language families—Indo-European, Altaic, and Afro-Asiatic—are spoken. Roughly three-fourths of Iranians speak one of the Indo-European languages.

So you don't know whether the money Joe Biden allowed Iran to have was used in this terror attack ? 

[Paul Catton]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

So you don't know whether the money Joe Biden allowed Iran to have was used in this terror attack ? 

As of yesterday It was still being held in Qatar who brokered the US-Iran negotiations

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

So you don't know whether the money Joe Biden allowed Iran to have was used in this terror attack ? 

Now how would I know where the money came from, how it was used and who used it?

 

You obviously have NO idea at all.

 

If you REALLY need to know, why don't YOU search for the answer yourself.

 

YOU are claiming it came from Iran and I gave you some links to search, so do it.

 

Very poor at deflection, especially as it was YOUR post I was answering.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Now how would I know where the money came from, how it was used and who used it?

 

You obviously have NO idea at all.

 

If you REALLY need to know, why don't YOU search for the answer yourself.

 

YOU are claiming it came from Iran and I gave you some links to search, so do it.

 

Very poor at deflection, especially as it was YOUR post I was answering.

If you don't know the answer, then there's no need to reply .

There's no need to reply saying that you don't know 

[billd766]

17 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

If you don't know the answer, then there's no need to reply .

There's no need to reply saying that you don't know 

More amateur deflection.

 

Obviously you don't know either.

 

So why did you post in the first place?

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

More amateur deflection.

 

Obviously you don't know either.

 

So why did you post in the first place?

I was making the suggestion that Joe Biden may have been partially responsible for this terror attack .

   If he allowed Iran to have $6 Billion and they used that money to fund a terror attack , he should take some responsibility 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I was making the suggestion that Joe Biden may have been partially responsible for this terror attack .

   If he allowed Iran to have $6 Billion and they used that money to fund a terror attack , he should take some responsibility 

Anyone else on your list to blame.........?     

[Chomper Higgot]

53 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I was making the suggestion that Joe Biden may have been partially responsible for this terror attack .

   If he allowed Iran to have $6 Billion and they used that money to fund a terror attack , he should take some responsibility 

Just because you can make up some utter nonsense doesn’t mean anyone, let alone the President of the US, needs to apologize for anything whatsoever.

 

Well, maybe your parents….

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Just because you can make up some utter nonsense doesn’t mean anyone, let alone the President of the US, needs to apologize for anything whatsoever.

 

Well, maybe your parents….

There is no need for personal abuse and no need to mention other peoples parents .

   I made a suggestion , I didn't claim it to be factual and thus I didn't make anything up 

[Tug]

56 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I was making the suggestion that Joe Biden may have been partially responsible for this terror attack .

   If he allowed Iran to have $6 Billion and they used that money to fund a terror attack , he should take some responsibility 

Jeeese that Joe Biden is one productive 80 year old heck he’s brought Russia to her knees through supporting Ukraine re vamped nato now he’s funded Iran to attack our staunchest ally in the Middle East (not to mention all the good positive legislation for America)really??sorry that’s just a stretch to far.but I guess anything to attack the governance of the states hummm?

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Tug said:

Jeeese that Joe Biden is one productive 80 year old heck he’s brought Russia to her knees through supporting Ukraine re vamped nato now he’s funded Iran to attack our staunchest ally in the Middle East (not to mention all the good positive legislation for America)really??sorry that’s just a stretch to far.but I guess anything to attack the governance of the states hummm?

Did Joe Biden allow Iran to receive 6 Billion $ last month ?

   Yes, he did 

Did Iran fund last weeks terror attack ?

   Highly likely they did 

[Morch]

11 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Where did Hamas get thee funding for this?  Iran claims they did.

 

How much funding do you estimate this attack required? It's not like they've used much expensive hardware for the ground attack. The rockets are another matter, but apparently they are able to restock them between each round of fighting. Don't know that they needed any extra funds for that. Hamas got means of it's own - through various supporter (state and non-state), bitcoin action, taxes and monies from the populace, and so on.

 

 

11 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

It was just a month ago that Iran received 6 Billion $ from the USA. 

  Wonder whether that money paid for this attack?

 

The attack was obviously planned months ago, if not more. It is very unlikely that is was 'funded' only a month before it was launched. If Iran funded this, it would have had no trouble doing so using existing funds. Same way it supports several similar outfits in the region. The notion that they were waiting just for this particular money transfer is preposterous, and doesn't fit the timeline anyway. 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

How much funding do you estimate this attack required?

A rough estimate , to pay for everything , I reckon it will cost about 6 Billion $

[JonnyF]

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well, maybe your parents….

Low, even by your standards.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Low, even by your standards.

I believe in parental responsibility, I hope you do too.

 

In this day and age it’s very wise to extend that to what our children get up to ‘online’.

 

 

 

Edited October 10, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I believe in parental responsibility, I hope you do too.

 

 

Ad hominem attacks on other posters and their families are not only inane, but against forum rules.

[Morch]

8 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

A rough estimate , to pay for everything , I reckon it will cost about 6 Billion $

The USA provides Israel with an annual 3 Billion $ 'Buy American' coupon. You're offering that a single attack cost double than this? Reconstruction budgets for the Gaza Strip after previous were circa 3-5 Billion $, for reference.

 

 

[Irish star]

On 10/9/2023 at 12:39 PM, thaipo7 said:

Tug - The Left in Israel is even worse than in the US.  I think the problems with this keeping the government busy caused the intelligence people to not do a very good job of being informed on what was going to happen.  There have been problems in the military ranks too.  Israel is known for having the best Intelligence apparatus in the world.  They really got caught off guard this time.  In 1973 at the start of that war, I was at McGuire AFB volunteering to be a loadmaster on the C-5.  But they let me sit all day not caring that I was there to sign up for the reserves and at the end of the day, I just left.  Hope they get their act together and the US provides what is need for their survival.

I smell a Cult Member 

[Irish star]

20 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Did Joe Biden allow Iran to receive 6 Billion $ last month ?

   Yes, he did 

Did Iran fund last weeks terror attack ?

   Highly likely they did 

Korean Money and Bidens fault  lol another Cultist