Trump says Hamas attack on Israel, war in Ukraine would not have occurred if he were president

[illisdean]

21 hours ago, NextG said:

Yeah, about that…

 

 

 

Perhaps we should talk about the billions handed to Jared…

Perhaps u should stop deflecting and cowering.

Dem congress oversight investigated Kushner and his KSA business dealings and decided there was nothing to see. Your crackhead genuis Hunter, although perhaps the most successful crackhead junkie in existence cannot hold a candle to Kushner and his impressive accolades with historic ME peace achievements with the Abraham accords.

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13 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Perhaps u should stop deflecting and cowering.

Dem congress oversight investigated Kushner and his KSA business dealings and decided there was nothing to see. Your crackhead genuis Hunter, although perhaps the most successful crackhead junkie in existence cannot hold a candle to Kushner and his impressive accolades with historic ME peace achievements with the Abraham accords.

Yes, those historic Abraham accords look like they're history now.

Whether or not Kushner did anything illegal, that 2 billion dollar investment from the Saudis, given against the advice of the Saudi investment advisers, sure is sleazy. And unlike Hunter Biden, Kushner was a high level govt official in the Trump administration. Looks like he was extremely well compensated.

[NextG]

22 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Perhaps u should stop deflecting and cowering.

Dem congress oversight investigated Kushner and his KSA business dealings and decided there was nothing to see. Your crackhead genuis Hunter, although perhaps the most successful crackhead junkie in existence cannot hold a candle to Kushner and his impressive accolades with historic ME peace achievements with the Abraham accords.

I’m not from the USA. So Republicans/Democrats mean nothing to me. Though interesting to note your ‘knee jerk’ reaction. 
But, further to your comments with regard to “Dem Congress oversight…” perhaps you can provide us with a link to published information with regard to your claim that they have decided that there is “nothing to see”. 
From what I’ve actually read, the Democrats were pushing for a subpoena. Have you got anything that confirms your statement? Personally I think that you are being economical with the truth. 
https://time.com/6313894/biden-impeachment-jared-kushner-saudi-wealth-fund/

 

Described as a ‘grift’. 
 

In your reply you can drop the insinuations of left and right, since I have no idea who supports what in US politics. I just say what I see. So come back with facts, as opposed to attempts at mudslinging. 
It looks dodgy. Keep to Trump/Kushner. Don’t try to deflect to something completely unrelated. Ironic, since you opened trying to accuse me of deflection. Ridiculous person. Get serious and discuss intelligently. 

 

[NextG]

42 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Perhaps u should stop deflecting and cowering.

Dem congress oversight investigated Kushner and his KSA business dealings and decided there was nothing to see. Your crackhead genuis Hunter, although perhaps the most successful crackhead junkie in existence cannot hold a candle to Kushner and his impressive accolades with historic ME peace achievements with the Abraham accords.

This article; https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3910467-comer-agrees-it-could-be-politically-unsustainable-to-investigate-kushner/ certainly goes against what you suggested; that the Democrats decided that there was nothing to see. Were you trying to ‘gaslight’ me? Cut the BS and back up any future assertions with published material from an accredited source. Not just your made up nonsense. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by NextG

[Morch]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Yes, those historic Abraham accords look like they're history now.

Whether or not Kushner did anything illegal, that 2 billion dollar investment from the Saudis, given against the advice of the Saudi investment advisers, sure is sleazy. And unlike Hunter Biden, Kushner was a high level govt official in the Trump administration. Looks like he was extremely well compensated.

"Yes, those historic Abraham accords look like they're history now."

 

Are they? Was there anything said to this effect?

Both Israel's relations with both Egypt and Jordan, both more directly related to the conflict, endured many setbacks like this. The peace agreements stand to this day. The Saudi Arabia thing might be put on hold, or slow burner, yes. But it was not done deal yet, so easier to 'cancel'.

 

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, NextG said:

This article; https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3910467-comer-agrees-it-could-be-politically-unsustainable-to-investigate-kushner/ certainly goes against what you suggested; that the Democrats decided that there was nothing to see. Were you trying to ‘gaslight’ me? Cut the BS and back up any future assertions with published material from an accredited source. Not just your made up nonsense. 

Once again we must remind the Trump supporters not to post links that undermine their argument.  The first two paragraphs from your source:

 

"Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.), chairman of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee, agreed that it could be politically unsustainable to investigate Jared Kushner — former President Trump’s son-in-law who served as a senior adviser in the White House — in a new profile by The New York Times."

 

"The Times, which interviewed Comer for six hours, said the Kentucky Republican did not rule out probing Kushner’s business dealings but agreed with a reporter who suggested it might be politically unsustainable for him to investigate Kushner."

 

A Republican, in the Republican majority House, said investigating Kushner would be "politically unsustainable".  Neither Democrats nor justice had anything to do with the decision.

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5 hours ago, Morch said:

"Yes, those historic Abraham accords look like they're history now."

 

Are they? Was there anything said to this effect?

Both Israel's relations with both Egypt and Jordan, both more directly related to the conflict, endured many setbacks like this. The peace agreements stand to this day. The Saudi Arabia thing might be put on hold, or slow burner, yes. But it was not done deal yet, so easier to 'cancel'.

 

Given what is likely about to happen, I don't think that many setbacks like this have been endured. It will also be interesting to see how Jordan and particularly Egypt will react once the projected onslaught is underway.

[Morch]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

Given what is likely about to happen, I don't think that many setbacks like this have been endured. It will also be interesting to see how Jordan and particularly Egypt will react once the projected onslaught is underway.

Two wars fought by Israel in Lebanon, including a siege of Beirut in one, and a destruction of large neighborhood in the other. Just a couple of examples.

 

As for 'what is likely' to happen, that would depend on one's imagination and what one implies.

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1 hour ago, Morch said:

Two wars fought by Israel in Lebanon, including a siege of Beirut in one, and a destruction of large neighborhood in the other. Just a couple of examples.

 

As for 'what is likely' to happen, that would depend on one's imagination and what one implies.

There was no Hezbollah during the siege of Beirut. And as for the destruction of a large neighborhood, rather a small neighborhood compared to Gaza. And maybe 1300 Lebanese civilians were killed.

 

What is likely to happen is an Israeli ground invasion of Gaza. It seems unlikely that the Israelis will come to their senses.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

There was no Hezbollah during the siege of Beirut. And as for the destruction of a large neighborhood, rather a small neighborhood compared to Gaza. And maybe 1300 Lebanese civilians were killed.

 

What is likely to happen is an Israeli ground invasion of Gaza. It seems unlikely that the Israelis will come to their senses.

Did I say anything about Hezbollah? The point made was that at both instances there were serious criticism and pressure (domestic and foreign) vs. Egypt and Jordan with regard to the peace agreements. The agreements still hold. 

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4 minutes ago, Morch said:

Did I say anything about Hezbollah? The point made was that at both instances there were serious criticism and pressure (domestic and foreign) vs. Egypt and Jordan with regard to the peace agreements. The agreements still hold. 

Given what it looks like Israel is about to do, this time looks different. A lot worse. Had there been a Hezbollah the first time, the outcome might have been different.

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[Morch]

53 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Given what it looks like Israel is about to do, this time looks different. A lot worse. Had there been a Hezbollah the first time, the outcome might have been different.

What is it you think Israel is about to do? How is it different?

A lot worse in terms of destruction and loss of life, yes - but that's not different, but more.

 

Your Hezbollah reference has nothing to do with my comment. I referred Israel-in-Lebanon with regards to the pressure and criticism applied to Egypt and Jordan. The outcome is nothing to do with it. Hezbollah was present the second time around, and similar criticism vs. these two countries was expressed.

[Chomper Higgot]

The last time Trump addressed the issue he referred to ‘Humous’.

 

It’s way past time to stop taking anything Trump says seriously.

 

 

[candide]

On 10/16/2023 at 4:13 PM, illisdean said:

Perhaps u should stop deflecting and cowering.

Dem congress oversight investigated Kushner and his KSA business dealings and decided there was nothing to see. Your crackhead genuis Hunter, although perhaps the most successful crackhead junkie in existence cannot hold a candle to Kushner and his impressive accolades with historic ME peace achievements with the Abraham accords.

The Dem congress never decided there was nothing to see.

 

As about Trump's peace initiatives, you seem to forget the Trump/Kushner peace plan negotiated directly with Netanyahu, without involving the Palestinian Authority. 

It surely fared quite well with the Palestinian public opinion. (No laughing emoticon this time, by decency).

 

Trump peace plan delights Israelis, enraged Palestinians

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-international-news-jerusalem-politics-f7d36b9023309ce4b1e423b02abf52c6

[scottiejohn]

13 minutes ago, candide said:

Trump peace plan delights Israelis, enraged Palestinians

How can something be called a "peace plan" if it delights one side and enrages the other side?

 

A peace plan should bring peace to all sides and NO enragement to any!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by scottiejohn

[candide]

8 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

How can something be called a "peace plan" if it delights one side and enrages the other side?

 

A peace plan should bring peace to all sides and NO enragement to any!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's Trump m.o., he did the same in Afghanistan when he negotiated the withdrawal plan with the Taliban only. Hey why bother negotiating with the opposed sides when It's so simple to negotiate only with one! It's been quite successful in Afghanistan, too! 😃

[rudi49jr]

Just now, candide said:

That's Trump m.o., he did the same in Afghanistan when he negotiated the withdrawal plan with the Taliban only. Hey why bother negotiating with the opposed sides when It's so simple to negotiate only with one! It's been quite successful in Afghanistan, too! 😃

He (and/or Kushner) also brokered a deal between Israel and Morocco, but by doing that they threw the Sahrawi people under the bus, because the US acknowledged that the Western Sahara belonged to Morocco, thus denying the Sahrawi the right to an independent state. I imagine the Sahrawi are no big fans of either Trump or Kushner, to put it mildly. 

[MrMuddle]

That narcissist will do and say anything, to get his name in the news.