Every Hamas member is a dead man, Netanyahu says

[Social Media]

 

 

Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said every Hamas member was "a dead man" after the first meeting of his country's emergency government.

Alongside him, opposition figure Benny Gantz said it was "a time for war".

But US President Joe Biden said he had spoken to Mr Netanyahu and made it clear that Israel must "operate by the rules of war".

The death toll in Israel has reached 1,200. More than 1,100 people have been killed by Israeli air strikes on Gaza.

Mr Biden said he understood the anger and frustration of the Israeli people but urged Israel to adhere to the principles of the Geneva conventions. He also warned Iran - which has welcomed the Hamas attack - to "be careful".

Earlier on Wednesday Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gantz agreed to put aside a bitter political rivalry that had escalated into widespread protests.

 

Mr Gantz told Israeli citizens that the newly-formed government was "united" and ready to "wipe this thing called Hamas off the face of the Earth".

Alongside Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gantz, the centrist National Unity Party leader and a former defence minister, the new temporary cabinet would also include Defence Minister Yoav Gallant.

The country's main opposition leader, Yair Lapid, has not joined the alliance. However, Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gantz said in a joint statement that a seat would be reserved for him in the war cabinet.

"During the war period, no bills or government decisions will be promoted that do not concern the conduct of the war," said a statement.

"All senior appointments will be automatically extended during the war period."

The emergency government will give broader national consensus to military action. It also brings to the war cabinet two voices who are experts in military strategy. Both Mr Gantz and also Gadi Eisenkot, who joins as an observer, are former Israeli military chiefs of staff.

 

The announcement of the new cabinet came in the wake of savage attacks by Hamas militants from the Gaza Strip.

 

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[Morch]

That sounds very threatening.

Until one recalls that his 2008 election campaign slogan was about dismantling the Hamas.

Or more recently, the PM who facilitated Qatari money transfers and payment to the Hamas.

[Tug]

Sounds good to me hunt each and everyone of them down if they participated in this murder spree they need to be rubbed out

[Emdog]

"...every Hamas member was "a dead man""

Well, I suppose it is time for Hamas to recruit some women then...

But it's all good, in line with the OT and all about conquering those who might live on "the promised land":

"But of the cities ... which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth." Kill the old men and women, the sick and the dying, the blind and the lame, pregnant mothers, nursing mothers, infants, toddlers, and babies." Deuteronomy 20:16 (went without saying kill all the men)

Now you may say   "Hey wait, that is what Muslim Hamas did". True, but they do refer to Jews as "People of the book" (same sort of origin)... just following God's directions is all

Religion poisons everything

[Neeranam]

3 hours ago, Social Media said:

But US President Joe Biden said he had spoken to Mr Netanyahu and made it clear that Israel must "operate by the rules of war".

What's it got to do with Joe Biden?

[Tropicalevo]

3 hours ago, Social Media said:

But US President Joe Biden said he had spoken to Mr Netanyahu and made it clear that Israel must "operate by the rules of war".

And if Israel do that, they will loose.

It is always the way when fighting extremists.

The 'good' guys follow the rules, the 'bad' guys don't give a frock.

[impulse]

23 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

And if Israel do that, they will loose.

It is always the way when fighting extremists.

The 'good' guys follow the rules, the 'bad' guys don't give a frock.

You've just described asymmetric warfare.  But I'd revise your statement to read "the big guys follow the rules, the little guys can't afford to".   History will decide who the good guys are, after all the killing is done.

 

BTW, that's how Israel won statehood.  Bombing and terrorism, until the Brits gave up and went home.  But I say that not intending to open that line of discussion.  That's history and we're discussing current events.

 

[spidermike007]

The one thing you can always count on with Israeli politicians, is that they are incapable of learning. Just apply more and more violence. That will fix things. 

 

They are obsessed with the old testament an eye for an eye. And this way Netan can pander even more to his extremist supporters, who possess enough hatred in their hearts for the entire nation. 

[Morch]

21 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The one thing you can always count on with Israeli politicians, is that they are incapable of learning. Just apply more and more violence. That will fix things. 

 

They are obsessed with the old testament an eye for an eye. And this way Netan can pander even more to his extremist supporters, who possess enough hatred in their hearts for the entire nation. 

 

Whereas the wise leaders of the Palestinians.....oh, wait.

[Sydebolle]

But US President Joe Biden said he had spoken to Mr Netanyahu and made it clear that Israel must "operate by the rules of war".

Well, the Americans must know it; after all they've been in conflicts ever since 1945 and each and every interference (to avoid provocative attack) was a disaster for everybody. Interesting is also, that of its 247 years of existence they have been without a war for nine years - the other 238 years Uncle Sam and his boys were "defending" the United States. This year its USD 882 billion defense budget alone - might not be sufficient to cover the nuke free Canadian war mongers in the North and the cheeky tricky Mexicans in the South! 

[Caldera]

He's no lesser criminal than any Hamas member, he's been war mongering and stoking the fire throughout his career. I hope all terrorists on both sides will share the same fate.

[expat_4_life]

40 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The one thing you can always count on with Israeli politicians, is that they are incapable of learning. Just apply more and more violence. That will fix things.

It's much worse that that ... he financially backed Hamas
 

Hamas as partner

 

Effectively, Netanyahu’s entire worldview collapsed over the course of a single day. He was convinced that he could make deals with corrupt Arab tyrants while ignoring the cornerstone of the Arab-Jewish conflict, the Palestinians. His life’s work was to turn the ship of state from the course steered by his predecessors, from Yitzhak Rabin to Ehud Olmert, and make the two-state solution impossible. En route to this goal, he found a partner in Hamas.

 

“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” he told a meeting of his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

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[shackleton]

There's one thing about Israeli politicians they mean what they say and if Hamas and its leaders have committed atrocities 

Then Israeli forces should go for the head of the snake and take them out as a warning to others ????

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, shackleton said:

There's one thing about Israeli politicians they mean what they say and if Hamas and its leaders have committed atrocities 

Then Israeli forces should go for the head of the snake and take them out as a warning to others ????

Seriously?

Netanyahu was labeled as a 'liar and son of liar' by his main coalition partner. World leaders shared this opinion as well. Just to put things in context, his 2008 elections slogan promise was to dismantle Hamas rule in Gaza. What he later did was facilitate transfer of Qatari funds to Hamas in order to keep it pacified.

[PETERTHEEATER]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

What's it got to do with Joe Biden?

He's authorised US logistical support to Israel.

[Sticky Rice Balls]

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[mrfill]

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

What's it got to do with Joe Biden?

Vote winning

[Hanaguma]

I personally would believe him. In his younger days, Netanyahu was a special forces soldier in an elite IDF unit, participated in numerous operations (including hostage rescue) etc.  He has "seen the elephant" up close and personal.  Not a guy to mess with.

[CanadaSam]

I would think it would be worth a try to attempt to subdue Hamas and the Palestinians, by simply stopping all land encroachment on their territory, and allowing them freedom of water, food, medicine, fishing rights, and a chance to lead a peaceful life.

 

But that's the optimist in me.

[Morch]

18 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I personally would believe him. In his younger days, Netanyahu was a special forces soldier in an elite IDF unit, participated in numerous operations (including hostage rescue) etc.  He has "seen the elephant" up close and personal.  Not a guy to mess with.

You, perhaps. In Israel and elsewhere abroad his credibility is rather low. What he's good at, like Trump, is talking to his base, lying on the spot, and backtracking without batting an eyelid. Dig deeper into comments about his time in the military and you'll find he probably only got to that unit on account of his brother. While there he was not quite one of the brightest stars, either.

 

If military experience is the criteria, the current opposition got much better on offer. Many on Netanyahu's current coalition did not even serve in the IDF, or did so in meaningless posts.

[Morch]

25 minutes ago, CanadaSam said:

I would think it would be worth a try to attempt to subdue Hamas and the Palestinians, by simply stopping all land encroachment on their territory, and allowing them freedom of water, food, medicine, fishing rights, and a chance to lead a peaceful life.

 

But that's the optimist in me.

Israel does not 'encroach' on any Hamas controlled territory (ie the Gaza Strip).

 

The Gaza Strip was not always under blockade - this gradually became a thing due to Hamas actions and agenda. Each time the blockade is eased, or even with each reconstruction period post-fighting, Hamas finds ways to restock it's rocket storage, dig more tunnels (but not bomb shelters for the general populace).

 

They had a chance for a fresh start when Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip. They squandered it.

[Tropposurfer]

5 hours ago, impulse said:

You've just described asymmetric warfare.  But I'd revise your statement to read "the big guys follow the rules, the little guys can't afford to".   History will decide who the good guys are, after all the killing is done.

 

BTW, that's how Israel won statehood.  Bombing and terrorism, until the Brits gave up and went home.  But I say that not intending to open that line of discussion.  That's history and we're discussing current events.

 

Thank you impulse.

Not only historical facts but existential insight from you.

 

Edited October 12, 2023 by Tropposurfer

[Tropposurfer]

Perhaps I digress ... but it seems to me the next few words from me are apropo of all the conflicts of mankind.

 

An awareness came to me, perhaps from the collective conscious Jung spoke of.

 

I thought of the words of Lennon in that haunting, yet childlike simple song 'Imagine'.

 

Imagine if we took the resources, the trillions of dollars, the waste of humane life, of nature, of all that could be achieved in our human struggle (journey) if we were to redirect, into a world free of wars, that money and all the human energy and time that goes along with it towards the uplifting of all humanity equally, and thus the planet and the fragile ecosystem we all share. 

[RanongCat]

ute Netanyahu's bold declaration is unfortunately taintedy escape with the inevitable mass deaths of non Hamas members . The instruction/ advice given to refugees to depart Gaza has been contradicted  by the bombing and closure of the of the border crossing into Egypt.

At this moment at least the expected ground invasion is on hold. Maybe because the level of less than totally sympathetic international  response has not been in Netanyahu's favor?

Inside Gaza are a significant number of long term humanitarian personnel who even now are providing some sanctuary for children in places like UN schools.

Israel undoubtedly has the military capacity to bomb Gaza into  dust using the proliferate US supplied weaponry and the stock piles of US maintained munitions.

Of  course that dust would contain the  blood and guts of  many  genuinely innocents.

Israel undeniably has the right to defend itself. It  does not have the right to retaliate in  kind to the extremist actions of the Hamas radicals.

From news reports it seems Biden has copied similar fiction as GW Bush Jnr. did when  he (Bush) claimed he had seen the video of the first plane hit the Twin Towers. There was no such video available if ever. Biden made a statement that he has seen confirmed  images / video of  butchered infants. This is apparently based on emotional hearsay IDF statements but in reality not at all confirmed.

Such distortions are a sad component of modern "warfare". Global media distribution of images with intent to distort reality under the guise of genuine "intelligence" but in reality propaganda is not at all exclusive to the "badGuys". More often than not  the "badguys" lack the influence  with  msm to counter the proliferate output from monopolistic dictators.

A moment of consideration should perhaps be given to the fact that the  assault on Israel  with  missiles has not been a one day  flash in the pan event as has often been reported in historic events.

A mass invasion by IDF  would/will face totally  unknown resistance.

If Hamas has achieved the capacity  to unleash thousands of missiles who knows  what resources they possess to counter  troops?

Interestingly it has been claimed that the arms  taken from defeated Hamas fighters are of US  origin. Further to that claim is to path of origin? Ukraine features in such question.

It is at this point I would suggest that there is  very little difference between the ideology of  extremist factions regardless of religion that are often utilized, manipulated, dictated.

The outcome is most often not the winners perse'.

It is so often the "compensated".

Has/is  Israel about to divest the remnants of it's compensation?

 

 

 

 

 

[The Theory]

Israel has has lots of internal political problems. Perhaps Mr Netanyahu should not be in power now, but I don't think it will take too long. The US is not happy with him, but still supports Israel, not Mr Netanyahu. The question is do you really think Mossad was not warned about this attack ?  

Edited October 12, 2023 by The Theory

[RanongCat]

43 minutes ago, Morch said:

 Israel does not 'encroach' on any Hamas controlled territory (ie the Gaza Strip).

 

The Gaza Strip was not always under blockade - this gradually became a thing due to Hamas actions and agenda. Each time the blockade is eased, or even with each reconstruction period post-fighting, Hamas finds ways to restock it's rocket storage, dig more tunnels (but not bomb shelters for the general populace).

 

They had a chance for a fresh start when Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip. They squandered it.strip

Can you say that with a straight  face?  Israel had long ghettoized the Ghaza and imposed itself as unaccountable "wardens" and  retaliating to relatively  minor resistances with gross violence and persecution in territory not their own. Disgustingly sanctioned by UN deliberate blindness dictated  by US dictate to comply.

 

 

 

[wombat]

7 hours ago, Neeranam said:

What's it got to do with Joe Biden?

The world's policeman has spoken.

Bow down to your overload.

Resistance us futile.

Edited October 12, 2023 by wombat

[NickyLouie]

When you have a cancer do you leave a little bit when inside cutting?

 

[Morch]

23 minutes ago, The Theory said:

Israel has has lots of internal political problems. Perhaps Mr Netanyahu should not be in power now, but I don't think it will take too long. The US is not happy with him, but still supports Israel, not Mr Netanyahu. The question is do you really think Mossad was not warned about this attack ?  

Mossad wouldn't have much to do with it. That's not their part of the intelligence picture.

There were, reportedly, warnings from Egypt, and some signs which weren't correctly interpreted. Hamas managed a good campaign hiding this - they had a lot of experience being a target for surveillance, must have learned how to deal with it over the years.

[PojaCo]

The truth is that all wars end at some point, but who will return sons to mothers and fathers to children?