Analysis Israel's options don't look good - but a full-scale military campaign in the near future is inevitable

[rabas]

13 hours ago, vinny41 said:

The official X account for the Israeli government edited one of their tweets, which accused the PIJ of being responsible for the devastation in Al-Ahli Hospital. In its edit, the government removed a video purporting to show the rocket launches from their tweet after social media users pointed out that the timestamp on the clip was inconsistent with the reported time of the hospital strike. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/misinformation-gaza-hospital-attack-1234856302/

More misinformation and false propaganda.

 

The ultra clear video of the hospital bombing I posted above shows the hospital itself in flames, the hospital building is clearly visible with its unique rooftop solar array.

 

It's not fake, It cannot have the 'wrong timestamp'.  

[rabas]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL.

 

See the post by vinny41 which has the israelis walking that back already, apparently because someone was incompetent with the fake deflection.

See my rebuttal already posted.

 

Please start showing some proof to back up your many false claims. 

[vinny41]

Israeli accounts delete video claiming Palestinians responsible for hospital strike

Social media accounts belonging to the State of Israel and the Israeli ambassador to the US appear to have deleted a video on posts claiming that a rocket fired from within Gaza caused the deadly explosion at Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City.

The video showed a barrage of rockets being fired, with one appearing to go off-course in a downward trajectory, followed by the flash of an apparent explosion.

Both accounts edited their posts after Aric Toler, a journalist with the New York Times visual investigations team, questioned the time stamps on the video.

Those time stamps indicated that the video was recorded at least 40 minutes after the explosion at the hospital was first publicly reported, Toler said.

https://www.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/17aax4p/israelhamas_war_live_israel_kills_500_in_gaza/?rdt=64233

 

There must a reason why they deleted the videos in question was it because the New York times noticed a difference in the time stamps

 

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, rabas said:

See my rebuttal already posted.ed links

 

Please start showing some proof to back up your many false claims. 

I have posted links. I doubt anything I linked would satisfy you, but IMO most of the people on the planet believe it, and perhaps israel will come to regret it's actions in Gaza.

 

 

https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/number-of-muslims-in-the-world/

Number of Muslims in the World

Global 1.9 Billion

and right now many of them are hostile to israel

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by thaibeachlovers

[vinny41]

14 minutes ago, rabas said:

See my rebuttal already posted.

 

Please start showing some proof to back up your many false claims. 

Who to believe on  X

unknown

Yousuf

@yousuf_tw Joined May 2019

Follow

Muslim. Pakistani-American. Observer.

or

Aric Toler  Joined May 2014

@AricToler

@nytimes

Visual Investigations Previously

@bellingcat

https://www.nytimes.com/spotlight/visual-investigations

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Who to believe on  X

unknown

Yousuf

@yousuf_tw Joined May 2019

Follow

Muslim. Pakistani-American. Observer.

or

Aric Toler  Joined May 2014

@AricToler

@nytimes

Visual Investigations Previously

@bellingcat

https://www.nytimes.com/spotlight/visual-investigations

The original video proving it was a rocket fired within Gaza that went down was a from Al Jazeera not "Yousuf"

 

 

[vinny41]

Israel Profile edited the publication in which it accuses Islamic Jihad of bombing the Baptista Al Ahli hospital in Gaza.

The video that was in the publication was removed, especially because it is a video that is circulating through fake profiles that accused Hamas and has no correlation with a… pic.twitter.com/olsZpATtvW

— Irlan Simões uD83CuDFF4 (@IrlanSimoes) October 17, 2023 Journalist

https://revistaforum.com.br/global/2023/10/17/israel-culpa-jihad-por-hospital-explodido-usa-video-fake-de-foguete-em-perfil-oficial-146037.html

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The original video proving it was a rocket fired within Gaza that went down was a from Al Jazeera not "Yousuf"

 

 

Should be simple for you to provide a link from Al Jazeera

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Should be simple for you to provide a link from Al Jazeera

The AJ vid is in the tweet...........

[rabas]

 

39 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Israeli accounts delete video claiming Palestinians responsible for hospital strike

Social media accounts belonging to the State of Israel and the Israeli ambassador to the US appear to have deleted a video on posts claiming that a rocket fired from within Gaza caused the deadly explosion at Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City.

The video showed a barrage of rockets being fired, with one appearing to go off-course in a downward trajectory, followed by the flash of an apparent explosion.

Both accounts edited their posts after Aric Toler, a journalist with the New York Times visual investigations team, questioned the time stamps on the video.

Those time stamps indicated that the video was recorded at least 40 minutes after the explosion at the hospital was first publicly reported, Toler said.

https://www.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/17aax4p/israelhamas_war_live_israel_kills_500_in_gaza/?rdt=64233

 

There must a reason why they deleted the videos in question was it because the New York times noticed a difference in the time stamps

 

What?  A reddit account named northernIreland linked to an Al Jazeera page that has since been deleted/closed with no reference to New York Times is your proof??

 

... then you opine there must be a reason things are deleted. Well yes.

 

Please provide a direct link to the investigation of the video timestamp in your claim. It cannot be the video showing the hospital being hit. So, more misinformation.

Edited October 18, 2023 by rabas

[thaibeachlovers]

Qatar certainly blames israel for bombing the hospital.

 

https://www.qna.org.qa/en/News-Area/News/2023-10/17/0070-qatar-strongly-condemns-israeli-occupation's-bombing-of-al-ahli-baptist-hospital-in-gaza

Qatar Strongly Condemns Israeli Occupation's Bombing of Al Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza

 

 

 

 

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[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Qatar certainly blames israel for bombing the hospital.

 

https://www.qna.org.qa/en/News-Area/News/2023-10/17/0070-qatar-strongly-condemns-israeli-occupation's-bombing-of-al-ahli-baptist-hospital-in-gaza

Qatar Strongly Condemns Israeli Occupation's Bombing of Al Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza

 

 

 

 

• 

Good example of making claims with no evidence

[thaibeachlovers]

Turkey blames israel for bombing the hospital

 

https://www.ft.com/content/c0dbd9cf-249c-4890-aa04-9715857a9faa

Turkey criticises Israel after explosion at Gaza hospital

[thaibeachlovers]

Jordan blames israel for bombing the hospital.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/17/world-reacts-as-gaza-officials-say-500-killed-in-israeli-strike-on-hospital

In a statement on Tuesday, the Jordanian foreign ministry strongly condemned Israel’s attack and emphasised the need for international protection for Palestinian civilians and an end to the fighting.

King Abdullah II said Israel’s bombing of Gaza hospital was a “massacre” and a “war crime” that one cannot be silent about.

 

 

 

[vinny41]

8 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

What?  A reddit account named northernIreland linked to an Al Jazeera page that has since been deleted/closed with no reference to New York Times is your proof??

 

... then you opine there must be a reason things are deleted. Well yes.

 

Please provide a direct link to the investigation of the video timestamp in your claim. It cannot be the video showing the hospital being hit. So, more misinformation.

Post is still on  Al Jazeera page Time stamp 21:25 GMT)

Both accounts edited their posts after Aric Toler, a journalist with the New York Times visual investigations team, questioned the time stamps on the video.

Those time stamps indicated that the video was recorded at least 40 minutes after the explosion at the hospital was first publicly reported, Toler said.

It was not clear if the video was removed from the Israeli accounts on X as a result of Toler’s analysis.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/16/israel-hamas-war-live-iran-warns-resistance-front-may-attack

[thaibeachlovers]

20 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Should be simple for you to provide a link from Al Jazeera

I doubt he could. I've been watching Al Jazeera and they have said zero along the lines that the attack came from Gaza.

The israeli disinformation machine is IMO working overtime on this one, as it looks really bad for israel.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I doubt he could. I've been watching Al Jazeera and they have said zero along the lines that the attack came from Gaza.

The israeli disinformation machine is IMO working overtime on this one, as it looks really bad for israel.

You're wrong but then you've got me on ignore so you'll never know...lol. Keep on in there in your echo chamber

[vinny41]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I doubt he could. I've been watching Al Jazeera and they have said zero along the lines that the attack came from Gaza.

The israeli disinformation machine is IMO working overtime on this one, as it looks really bad for israel.

They tried the same with Shireen Abu Akleh

The longest-serving member of the Senate, Patrick Leahy, challenged the value of Israel’s report on Abu Akleh’s death, noting there was “a history of investigations of shootings by IDF soldiers that rarely result in accountability”.

Leahy increased the pressure on Israel by suggesting that its failure to fully explain the Al-Jazeera reporter’s killing could jeopardise the US’s huge military aid to the Jewish state under a law he sponsored 25 years ago cutting weapons supplies to countries that abuse human rights.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/14/shireen-abu-akleh-killing-israel-fbi-investigation

UN inquiry says Israeli forces killed journalist Abu Akleh 'without justification'

https://www.tbsnews.net/world/un-inquiry-says-israeli-forces-killed-journalist-abu-akleh-without-justification-720230

[freeworld]

Amazing how quickly the ICC worked and convicted the Russian president but no action for several years by the ICC against perpetrators of war crimes against Palestinians and Israelis.

Edited October 18, 2023 by freeworld

[Neeranam]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The israeli bombing of a hospital with 500 dead and many wounded has just united many Arab nations as seen by the joint news conference at the UN.

Quite rightly too.

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Turkey blames israel for bombing the hospital

 

https://www.ft.com/content/c0dbd9cf-249c-4890-aa04-9715857a9faa

Turkey criticises Israel after explosion at Gaza hospital

Wow.

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

You're wrong but then you've got me on ignore so you'll never know...lol. Keep on in there in your echo chamber

Do you thin Israel are acting correctly? 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Neeranam said:

Do you thin Israel are acting correctly? 

Do you think Hamas are acting correct?

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Do you think Hamas are acting correct?

no

[freeworld]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Do you think Hamas are acting correct?

The nations and organisations and leaders of these war crimes are well known on both sides and to the ICC. Why does the ICC not immediately act and issue world wide arrest warrants for all of them?

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, freeworld said:

The nations and organisations and leaders of these war crimes are well known on both sides and to the ICC. Why does the ICC not immediately act and issue world wide arrest warrants for all of them?

Evidence?

[freeworld]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Evidence?

Oh there is plenty on both sides.

 

Children are being maimed and killed.

Edited October 18, 2023 by freeworld

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, freeworld said:

The nations and organisations and leaders of these war crimes are well known on both sides and to the ICC. Why does the ICC not immediately act and issue world wide arrest warrants for all of them?

Who do you think will go to Gaza and make the arrests and then take the terrorists to the Hague for a trial ?

[Neeranam]

5 minutes ago, freeworld said:

The nations and organisations and leaders of these war crimes are well known on both sides and to the ICC. Why does the ICC not immediately act and issue world wide arrest warrants for all of them?

I agree. 

Brain won't answer a simple question. 

Brian, do you support Israel bombing hospitals? 

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

I agree. 

Brain won't answer a simple question. 

Brian, do you support Israel bombing hospitals? 

 

I do not support anyone bombing hospitals what a stupid question. Its a tragic situation but what evidence do you have it was the IDF?