Not the time for a ceasefire in Gaza, says US, with Hamas still holding hostages

[thaibeachlovers]

28 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Erm, OK. 

Not much point continuing. 

No point at all when someone will not accept that israel bears responsibility for the occupation and oppression from the military and attacks from illegal settlers on unarmed Palestinians.

[Hanaguma]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No point at all when someone will not accept that israel bears responsibility for the occupation and oppression from the military and attacks from illegal settlers on unarmed Palestinians.

Israel does not occupy Gaza. The last settlers left 15 years ago. 

 

Gaza has only itself to blame for coddling Hamas and giving them security. 

[Hanaguma]

24 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd be ashamed to be from any country with a government that won't vote for a ceasefire, but that would apply to the government, not everyone in the country..

 

Plenty of Americans that don't accept the massacre happening in Gaza and are protesting

But what are they protesting, really? Do they favor Palestine free from Hamas terror, and then allowed to become a free country? I haven't seen too many protestors who say, "Two State Solution Now" or "Free Gaza from Hamas, then Free Elections".  They all seem rather one sided and eager to see Jews die. 

[Neeranam]

36 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No point at all when someone will not accept that israel bears responsibility for the occupation and oppression from the military and attacks from illegal settlers on unarmed Palestinians.

Indeed, it reminds me of years ago when I worked with South Africans, who said Apartheid was not so bad. 

 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Indeed, it reminds me of years ago when I worked with South Africans, who said Apartheid was not so bad. 

 

 

43 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No point at all when someone will not accept that israel bears responsibility for the occupation and oppression from the military and attacks from illegal settlers on unarmed Palestinians.

Victim blaming at its finest. There was no justification for the 7th Oct massacres of innocent civilians deliberately targeted, tortured, raped, burnt, executed, babies, children women and the elderly. There is no justification for 240+ children, young people, men and women kidnapped and held in Gaza.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

So some are being fooled by Israeli propaganda. 

Are you saying 10, 000 have not been killed? 

Do you think Israelis like Gazans? 

Do you not know about the terrible Apartheid in Israel? 

 

Coming from someone fully invested in the Hamas narrative, that's kinda amusing.

 

Whether or not 10,000 were killed can be debated, but of course casualties amounts to thousands. The issue is more to do with how many of them are Hamas men, how many died as a direct result of Hamas actions, how many are the naturally occurring death for this month and so on. Hamas does not release such details, for propaganda reasons.

 

It doesn't matter is Israelis like or dislike Gazans. Nothing to do with anything. I'm sure they like them less now (and vice versa).

 

There is no 'terrible' apartheid in Israel. If you want to reference the West Bank, that's another matter.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I'd be ashamed to be from the USA. 

 

I'd be ashamed to be a Thai citizen, with someone like you supporting Hamas narrative after Thais were murdered and abducted.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd be ashamed to be from any country with a government that won't vote for a ceasefire, but that would apply to the government, not everyone in the country..

 

Plenty of Americans that don't accept the massacre happening in Gaza and are protesting

 

And yet you seem pretty careless about making generalizations referring to Israelis and Palestinians.

 

 

[transam]

I couldn't agree more .............

 

 

[Yellowtail]

How many ceasefires have there been in that past, ten or twenty? What side always breaks them? 

[bannork]

Moving words from an Israeli journalist.

 

[bannork]

US officials abetting genocide?

 

[Jingthing]

21 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I'd be ashamed to be from the USA. 

I'm so happy for you and fellow Americans that you don't suffer from that problem. We have more than enough River to the Sea types already, thank you very much. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Jingthing

[Bkk Brian]

On 11/2/2023 at 4:38 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

The prospects of a hostage release just became less likely with the attack on a bakery in a refugee camp.

 

As seen on Al Jazeera.

Really, you speaking on behalf of the terrorists again?

[Yellowtail]

It is amazing the number of times it is pointed out that when there is a tunnel full of terrorists shooting at you from under a hospital, bakery, mosque, apartment building or whatever, you attempt to evacuate the target, and then bomb it.

 

Yet so many of anti-Israel crowd have to continuously ignore this fact, and then they try to justify what hamas does, and draw a moral equivalent between what hamas does and what the IDF does. Stunning. 

[Neeranam]

3 hours ago, bannork said:

Moving words from an Israeli journalist.

 

Moving words indeed, thanks Bannork. 

Nothing can justify the slaughter by israel. 

Shame on those who support it. 

 

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I'm so happy for you and fellow Americans that you don't suffer from that problem. We have more than enough River to the Sea types already, thank you very much. 

It speaks volumes that you offer this strange personal attack yet say nothing about the previous 2 posts/ videos. 

 

[Yellowtail]

51 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Moving words indeed, thanks Bannork. 

Nothing can justify the slaughter by israel. 

Shame on those who support it. 

 

Which words did you find particularly moving? 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Moving words indeed, thanks Bannork. 

Nothing can justify the slaughter by israel. 

Shame on those who support it. 

 

Agree and that includes every member of the US congress that is trying to censure a Palestinian/ American member of congress for speaking against the slaughter. Don't want to hear the truth, make it go away. Shame on them all.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/07/politics/rashida-tlaib-censure-vote/index.html

The House voted Tuesday to advance a resolution to censure Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib after a Democratic effort to block the measure failed, setting up an expected vote on final passage of the resolution Wednesday.

[Neeranam]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree and that includes every member of the US congress that is trying to censure a Palestinian/ American member of congress for speaking against the slaughter. Don't want to hear the truth, make it go away. Shame on them all.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/07/politics/rashida-tlaib-censure-vote/index.html

The House voted Tuesday to advance a resolution to censure Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib after a Democratic effort to block the measure failed, setting up an expected vote on final passage of the resolution Wednesday.

So much for free speech. The US has been outed. 

[Yellowtail]

43 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree and that includes every member of the US congress that is trying to censure a Palestinian/ American member of congress for speaking against the slaughter. Don't want to hear the truth, make it go away. Shame on them all.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/07/politics/rashida-tlaib-censure-vote/index.html

The House voted Tuesday to advance a resolution to censure Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib after a Democratic effort to block the measure failed, setting up an expected vote on final passage of the resolution Wednesday.

Speaking out or inciting a riot (insurrection?) in congress? 

[Yellowtail]

34 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

So much for free speech. The US has been outed. 

Two peas in a pod. 

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Moving words indeed, thanks Bannork. 

Nothing can justify the slaughter by israel. 

Shame on those who support it. 

 

The slaughter is 100% at the feet of Hamas. IF Israel wanted to slaughter, they would have been bombing indiscriminately since October 8. And Gaza would be flat. 

[ExpatOilWorker]

On 10/25/2023 at 5:41 PM, KhunLA said:

General resources ... really 

Must have missed a few passages while reading:

 

"The blockade has devastated Gaza's economy and caused a nearly 50% poverty rate[18] and one of the highest unemployment rates in the world.  Living conditions in Gaza have led human rights organizations to continue to label it "an open-air prison"

 

"Characterization as open-air prison

Several rights groups have characterized the situation in Gaza as an "open-air prison", including the United Nations,[199] Human Rights Watch, and the Norwegian Refugee Council.  This characterizations was often cited by a number of human rights activists, politicians, and media news outlets reporting on the Gaza-Israel conflict and the wider Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Former British Prime Minister David Cameron,[207] US Senator Bernie Sanders,[208] former Israeli diplomat Gideon Levy, and Israeli historian Ilan Pappe have endorsed this characterization as well.

 

In 2022, Human Rights Watch issued a report on the situation in the Gaza Strip, which it called an "open-air prison" due to the blockade and held Israel responsible as the occupying power, and to a lesser degree Egypt, which has restricted movement of Palestinians through its border. The report highlighted how this blockade has led to humanitarian crises, namely shortages of essential supplies, limited access to healthcare, and high levels of poverty and unemployment among the Palestinian population in Gaza."

 

 

Where are all the Arab brothers? The neighboring Arab countries have done nothing to help Palenstine.

Israel 🇮🇱 have done more good 👍 for Gaza than all the Arabs combined. 

[Morch]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

It speaks volumes that you offer this strange personal attack yet say nothing about the previous 2 posts/ videos. 

 

 

Put him on 'ignore' and report him to your rabbit.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree and that includes every member of the US congress that is trying to censure a Palestinian/ American member of congress for speaking against the slaughter. Don't want to hear the truth, make it go away. Shame on them all.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/07/politics/rashida-tlaib-censure-vote/index.html

The House voted Tuesday to advance a resolution to censure Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib after a Democratic effort to block the measure failed, setting up an expected vote on final passage of the resolution Wednesday.

 

Oh, the congresswoman with the sticker on the map where Israel is?

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

So much for free speech. The US has been outed. 

 

Put them on 'ignore', I say.

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

The slaughter is 100% at the feet of Hamas. IF Israel wanted to slaughter, they would have been bombing indiscriminately since October 8. And Gaza would be flat. 

They have been bombing indiscriminately. Many part of Gaza are flat. They are doing as much killing as they can, without causing other nations to attack them. If they didn't have the support of the Yanks, they wouldn't dare carry out this mass ethnic cleansing.

Shame on you for condoning what Israel are doing. 

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Where are all the Arab brothers? The neighboring Arab countries have done nothing to help Palenstine.

Israel 🇮🇱 have done more good 👍 for Gaza than all the Arabs combined. 

Oh dear, I hope you are just trolling and don't really believe this. Do you support the Apartheid in Israel, is this helping Palestinians?

 

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

They have been bombing indiscriminately. Many part of Gaza are flat. They are doing as much killing as they can, without causing other nations to attack them. If they didn't have the support of the Yanks, they wouldn't dare carry out this mass ethnic cleansing.

Shame on you for condoning what Israel are doing. 

 

The bombing is not 'indiscriminate'.

How much of the Gaza Strip is 'flat'?

They are not 'killing as much as they can' - or there would be way more bodies.

Causing other nations to attack them - what nations?

What 'ethnic cleansing'?