Do you eat fish ?

I've known a number of vegetarians that wouldn't eat meat, but happily chow down on fish & seafood.

Then there are those that won't even touch dairy products like milk/cheese/eggs (Vegans I think ?).

If someone wants to live a vegetarian lifestyle, no problem. To each their own. Like many here, I have no problem with it, unless they start trying to preach to me about the evils of eating meat.

I'm no doctor but am under the impression that the lower bowels (intestines) is that S shaped thing. Now like a river flowing, the flow through the S bend tends to leave deposits on the inner curve - in this case half rotten, undigested red meat!

Gross!

Like most urban legends, completely untrue.

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I'm no doctor but am under the impression that the lower bowels (intestines) is that S shaped thing. Now like a river flowing, the flow through the S bend tends to leave deposits on the inner curve - in this case half rotten, undigested red meat!

Gross!

Like most urban legends, completely untrue.

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Looks like colonics & enemas are the go for this week! Isn't there a whole hillside covered with nature retreats in KPG dedicated to colonic courses?

I read somewhere that a study conducted years ago found that the average American had something like two pounds of un-digested red meat in their lower bowels.

I found a study that most people post crap they have no idea about and keep retorting old myths as if they had any basis of reality to them.

I'm guessing your not a doctor. Or even attended biology class in school.

Sorry for sounding rude, but I'm allergic to people rehashing old myths and urban legends like this - especially when they are used by some to justify their 'holier then thou'-style preaching.

Eat very little meat now in Thailand, and when I do, it is the little scraps they throw on the noodles/soup, etc.

This from someone who I have personally seen with his entire head covered in rib sauce as a result of consuming a side of ribs at Salsa Kitchen - or was it the two jugs of Margarita?

CB

Eat very little meat now in Thailand, and when I do, it is the little scraps they throw on the noodles/soup, etc.

This from someone who I have personally seen with his entire head covered in rib sauce as a result of consuming a side of ribs at Salsa Kitchen - or was it the two jugs of Margarita?

CB

But, seeing as my mere presence on this thread may insight some backlash just because of a food choice lol, and because the topic title is obviously a tad closed on the topic (well cmon it is mate), then happy debating and/or happy preaching,

Your more than welcome to open it up for debate eek. I've asked for replies to stay civil, i think they have thus far and a bit of banter. That's what we're for

I am genuinely interested in your views and when was the day that you thought "right, no more meat for me"

Personally, i think too much meat (especially red) can be bad for you. Just like consuming to excess of anything. If i was to eat too many sprouts, i would internally combust. (I didn't Wikipedia that fact, i just have a gut feeling)

... i would internally combust. (I didn't Wikipedia that fact, i just have a gut feeling)

OK well, if you really are a bit interested then fair enough. Thats cool mrb. I guess im guilty of expecting to be put on a steak stake (nothing like a bad pun eh .. ), for although i like debates, i dislike any kind of hostile confrontation, so apologies if i seemed a tad defensive. Its sometimes hard to think straight when there is a whole lotta finger pointing and statements being thrown about. Thats a big part of what i like about Thailand, little drama (apart from bad soaps <--bad pun no2) and what seems to be a great deal of tolerance.

When it came to the "right no meat for me" bit, i was just an ignorant 16 year old on a mission to bug the be-jesus out of my father, who was and i believe still is one of lifes biggest meat eaters. Being a controlling grumpy old sod he gave me little in the way of rebellion, so turning veggie was a bloody good way to try get to him

Then, finally in the 'real' world and being asked why im a veggie with no real answer, it hit me that it would probably be a good idea to find out why im making that choice and be a bit more informed. In the end after reading enough to make feel guilty for even having eyed a piece of meat never mind eat a piece I decided to become vegan. After being vegan for ..hmm dunno..maybe 4 years, i still missed some dairy and a bit of personal debate I decided i was being too extreme and that i should re-introduce some foods. I still rarely eat dairy, but i dont dismiss it from my diet. So, all in all around 18 years not eating meat, or fish, or crustaceans. Dont miss it either.

But, anyway, as i said i dont mind debates but being veggie is so second nature to me that i dont really consider it so debatable. I also dont really want to set myself up here to be ripped shreds into because of a food choice and because some people seem to take offense..although i dont know why!

This is a serious question by the way and i hope answers will be civil. I'm just wondering what switch flicks in your brain that you feel it neccessary to preach, the day you stop eating meat.

THats also why i was a tad defensive. You big bully!

Just cuz i dont eat meat, dun mean i dont bite!

If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?

I actually lived as a vegan for 2.5 years and felt perfectly fine throughout that time - a result of doing my cooking with a convinced vegan flatmate who had read up on nutrition to make sure he got the proteins and minerals he needed. It is not that difficult to get what you need provided you are prepared to learn about it and do not have any allergies.

When I moved out of there, I started to eat a mixed diet again, but I often find myself wanting 3-5 vegetarian meals per week, and the thought of meat puts me off now and then. Other times I feel nothing else will do.

It's true you feel fuller from meat, but that is not always a good thing in my opinion as it can equate to bloated and drowsy. It often is more pleasant to be just the right amount of full and be ready to deal with things straight away, something that vegetarian food will do for you.

I believe man is first and foremost an adaptable and versatile animal, which means that combined with our modern transport facilities and ease of availability, can easily live without eating meat if we choose to do so, apart from near the arctic where it is difficult to find and cultivate enough plants to live off. Hence inuit diets with no or little veg.

... i would internally combust. (I didn't Wikipedia that fact, i just have a gut feeling)

OK well, if you really are a bit interested then fair enough. Thats cool mrb. I guess im guilty of expecting to be put on a steak stake (nothing like a bad pun eh .. ), for although i like debates, i dislike any kind of hostile confrontation, so apologies if i seemed a tad defensive. Its sometimes hard to think straight when there is a whole lotta finger pointing and statements being thrown about. Thats a big part of what i like about Thailand, little drama (apart from bad soaps <--bad pun no2) and what seems to be a great deal of tolerance.

When it came to the "right no meat for me" bit, i was just an ignorant 16 year old on a mission to bug the be-jesus out of my father, who was and i believe still is one of lifes biggest meat eaters. Being a controlling grumpy old sod he gave me little in the way of rebellion, so turning veggie was a bloody good way to try get to him

Then, finally in the 'real' world and being asked why im a veggie with no real answer, it hit me that it would probably be a good idea to find out why im making that choice and be a bit more informed. In the end after reading enough to make feel guilty for even having eyed a piece of meat never mind eat a piece I decided to become vegan. After being vegan for ..hmm dunno..maybe 4 years, i still missed some dairy and a bit of personal debate I decided i was being too extreme and that i should re-introduce some foods. I still rarely eat dairy, but i dont dismiss it from my diet. So, all in all around 18 years not eating meat, or fish, or crustaceans. Dont miss it either.

But, anyway, as i said i dont mind debates but being veggie is so second nature to me that i dont really consider it so debatable. I also dont really want to set myself up here to be ripped shreds into because of a food choice and because some people seem to take offense..although i dont know why!

Excellent post eek. Thanks for that. It's interesting how you initially gave up, just p1ss off your dad

Did anybody else do it this way. Or did you do it for other reasons?

I actually lived as a vegan for 2.5 years and felt perfectly fine throughout that time - a result of doing my cooking with a convinced vegan flatmate who had read up on nutrition to make sure he got the proteins and minerals he needed. It is not that difficult to get what you need provided you are prepared to learn about it and do not have any allergies.

That's an interesting point Meadish. I'm a pretty lazy cook anyways, so for me, it's whatever is in the fridge and easy to do, will do. I'm also not that clued up with what there is around. Although i am aware there is more than Tofu and lentils So i suppose if Mrs BoJ was a veggie and she did the cooking, i'd probably just eat it.

Man is an omnivore, our teeth alone is evidence for that. In fact, there are theories out there that suggest that if it wasn't for eating meat we may never have evolved into our current form. The proponents of this theory point to evidence that our brains appeared to grow quicker when we started to hunt and eat meat.

Makes sense to me, hunting after all, is considerably more taxing on the old grey matter than grazing.

NGC - "Evolving to eat mush: how meat changed our bodies"

However on the flip side there are some very interesting articles out there on the web on this subject, here's one against meat. That has quite an interesting take on the matter too.

University of Cailfornia

I love meat but everything in moderation, is the dogma I try to live by.

If a vegetarian diet is so healthy, why do so many vegetarians look so sickly and ill? And why are the always wiping their noses with a scrap of tissue? And why do they have pimples? And why do they have pitched voices?

These are some of life's mysteries.

Me? I love a big hunk of flesh. I will deliberately make a point of pushing all that green crap to the side of the plate.

This just is not true. Vegetarians can be perfectly healthy. If the people to which you refer are ill, it's probably because of a whole host of other problems, may or may not be food related.

I posted in the other thread...

I agree that we are omnivores, but as I have posted already, I try to keep my meat intake to a reasonable amount and balance my diet with copious amounts of veggies, salad, etc. I love food (a bit too much!) and try to enjoy a varied diet.

Man is an omnivore, our teeth alone is evidence for that. In fact, there are theories out there that suggest that if it wasn't for eating meat we may never have evolved into our current form. The proponents of this theory point to evidence that our brains appeared to grow quicker when we started to hunt and eat meat.

Makes sense to me, hunting after all, is considerably more taxing on the old grey matter than grazing.

NGC - "Evolving to eat mush: how meat changed our bodies"

However on the flip side there are some very interesting articles out there on the web on this subject, here's one against meat. That has quite an interesting take on the matter too.

University of Cailfornia

I love meat but everything in moderation, is the dogma I try to live by.

I recal watching a docu a Lonnnnnnnng time ago, so my memory may be hazy, but it was about human evolution. It indeed mentioned the part about meat eating and evolving. I think it was something along the lines that eating vegitation was very time consuming to fufill our nutritional needs, and that meat eating supplimented by fruits and veg gave us more time to focus on other things other because we could spend less time eating. Was very interesting.

If I had a very limited diet and needed to eat meat to survive i would. I have no qualms against having to kill an animal to survive. Personally i would start with whatever i deemed was the lowest life form. I also personally prefer the notion of a person killing their own food rather than buying breadcrumbed pre-packaged type food from a supermarket. Somehow seems more ethical. I also have respect for cultures such as eskimos who (to my knowledge) kill only what they need. (Although the seal killing is one is a major hot bed of controversy in itself). They use all parts of the animal with little to no wastage. I also dont quite understand the divide between eating a pig or eating a dog, unless you have kept either one as a pet. Pigs are highly intelligent creatures also. Meat is meat, the only ethics placed on which animal you deem appropriate to kill are personal to yourself or your culture. It is the treatment of the animals that concerns me. I am not shocked if people eat cat, dog, rabbit, monkey brains or w/e. Its all just meat lol.

But, with the food available i feel healthier and more ethical to not be eating meat. I am not against those who wish to eat it, i am against the damage caused by much of the meat industry and any inhumane treatment of animals. I also believe that we were never ment to consume a great deal of meat, just as we shouldnt consume a great deal of dairy. Our bodies have a hard time coping with it.

If a vegetarian diet is so healthy, why do so many vegetarians look so sickly and ill? And why are the always wiping their noses with a scrap of tissue? And why do they have pimples? And why do they have pitched voices?

These are some of life's mysteries.

Me? I love a big hunk of flesh. I will deliberately make a point of pushing all that green crap to the side of the plate.

Lord bendix, you make me laugh.

For the record i still get pimples, its what you call pre-menstrual hormones. I also thought the school of thinking that certain foods (or lack of) causes bad skin had died out, but obviously not. You may not get all the nutrients you need in your diet from foods you choose to eat or not eat, but most skin issues are heriditory or from imbalance hormones. As for you pushing the "green crap" to the side, you are most likely lacking in some vital nutrients. Based on your diagnosis im surprised you are not chronically ill with your face resembling a pizza.

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Havent eaten meat for more than half the time ive been on this planet and im healthier than most people my age. Im pretty strong too, can even lift my own body weight, which stands at around a healthy 9stone for my 5'7" height btw. I have even had people say the silliest thing: "you dont look like a veggi" because apparently i look too 'healthy'. Honestly, the missconceptions are unbelievable sometimes.

But well, i think that more and more people are aware of the benifits and much of the old style thinking is fading out. I think some of the lack of knowledge with regards to diet is generation based. I also think that the whole eating vast amounts of meat thing will be viewed in the future the way many people now view smoking. But thats whole other debate.

But well, i think that more and more people are aware of the benifits and much of the old style thinking is fading out. I think some of the lack of knowledge with regards to diet is generation based. I also think that the whole eating vast amounts of meat thing will be viewed in the future the way many people now view smoking. But thats whole other debate.

Smoked salmon is good.

There are so many bluddy vegan - blood threads going I've forgotten which one I'm replying to.

Bacon sandwiches rock!

Eat very little meat now in Thailand, and when I do, it is the little scraps they throw on the noodles/soup, etc.

This from someone who I have personally seen with his entire head covered in rib sauce as a result of consuming a side of ribs at Salsa Kitchen - or was it the two jugs of Margarita?

CB

Naw, you must have been looking in a mirror-

Crow Boy at Salsa Kitchen:

I ordered the Lark's Tongues in Aspic, preceded by a marvelous gazpacho, on our last visit.

McG

Variety is the key to a good diet.

Millions of people have only rice, maize or corn for a staple diet.

The body adapts and processes your intake very efficiently.

Although no vegetarian, I can happily make a meal of rice pudding, cauliflower cheese, fresh boiled potatoes or vegetable curry.

I find salad a bit bland but there are many tasty ways to cook vegetables and fruit.

I think it's the animal in me that makes me want to chew a juicy lamb chop or a rack of spare ribs.

Eek has a good point though for anyone wanting to lose weight, a vegetarian can do it easier.

check this one out; www.antivegan.de - it is in German, but the pictures speak for themselves...

Here's one for the evolutionists (some of the evolution comments made me laugh!) God created us as omnivores, so God wants us to eat meat!

Gen 9.3 "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

1 Cor 10.27 "...eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience."

It's true you feel fuller from meat, but that is not always a good thing in my opinion as it can equate to bloated and drowsy.

Sorry, it isn't true. A high intake of carbs will make you feel bloated and drowsy, a high protein intake has the opposite effect.

Don't vegetarians fart a lot more? Seems irresponsible to be adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere when there is a choice.

We need to consulte eek on this important issue. Does she blow the heavenly trumpet more than the rest of us ?

Or is an excess of gas simply down to Kayo ?

Don't vegetarians fart a lot more? Seems irresponsible to be adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere when there is a choice.

....and so do cows! Hence, by a timely culling of cows we can do a great deal to reduce green house gases. Treehuggers, step forward!

Gen 9.3 "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

1 Cor 10.27 "...eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience."

what about cannibalism ? where is the escape clause for that ?

We need to consulte eek on this important issue. Does she blow the heavenly trumpet more than the rest of us ?

Or is an excess of gas simply down to Kayo ?

umm.

I assure you it is Kayos fault again

Don't vegetarians fart a lot more? Seems irresponsible to be adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere when there is a choice.

....and so do cows! Hence, by a timely culling of cows we can do a great deal to reduce green house gases. Treehuggers, step forward!

There was a steakhouse in Melbourne who did some ads based on the accusations that cattle produced huge amounts of methane gas. They claimed that their steakhouse was helping to reduce greenhouse emissions...one cow at a time.

Whaddaya mean! Women dont fart dontcha know, nor do we sweat, we gently 'perspire' !!

Actually, i would say that maybe for people who are changing from a low veg diet to a high veg diet, they may have a few digestive 'transitions'. Also, if you eat a lot of well known gassy sorta foods then yes you will get gassy. DUH. Foods such as coliflower, brussel spouts, brocolli. Its not about having a veggi diet, its about the food you consume. THis aint rocket science.