Israel is at War - General discussion (pt2)

[Thorgal]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Already posted..............

 

 

 

Sorry, I don't read all your posts...

 

Seems that IDF has no private soldiers and corporals after their military service (training).

Lowest ranks on duty in Gaza are sergeants. 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Thorgal

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

 

Sorry, I don't read all your posts...

 

Seems that IDF has no private soldiers and corporals after their military service (training).

Lowest ranks on duty in Gaza are sergeants. 

Yes I guess you just close your eyes when you get to one of my posts, the truth can be difficult I know.

[Morch]

Just now, Thorgal said:

 

Sorry, I don't read all your posts...

 

Seems that IDF has no private soldiers and corporals after their military service (training).

Lowest ranks are sergeants. 

 

Reserve troops retain their service ranks, and actually slowly rise in rank over time as service days are accumulated.

IDF always had a policy of officers leading charges and operations.

 

[Neeranam]

3 hours ago, Morch said:

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

Hamas leader called Gazan casualties 'necessary sacrifices for the cause'.

He seemed to justify the death.

 

Them kids weren't dead on the morning of 7/10.

They would have been alive now if Hamas did not choose to attack and sacrifice them.

Come on man, trying to put the blame of 18,000++  Palestinians on Gaza is very childish.

Hamas considers itself a resistance movement fighting for the rights and self-determination of Palestinians, in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They argue that their struggle is against what they perceive as occupation and oppression, and they view sacrifices, including human lives, as a means to advance their cause.

I am not, and never have condoned or supported Hamas but I can sympathize for the Palestinian cause. You, and other Israelis find the Oct 7th terror attack as some weird kind of excuse for cleaning out Gaza and that is somehow neuralizes all the crimes Israel have committed against Palestinians in the last 70 years.

You will know what Teshuvah means; it involves acknowledging wrongdoing, expressing remorse, and making amends. The focus is on personal accountability and the possibility of redemption rather than a direct connection between specific actions and subsequent life circumstances. Israel's attrocities since 7/10 are totally against what I have leared in my Jewish studies.

[Morch]

Regardless of constant spins - there were no thousands of dead Gazans on the morning of 7/10.

Something must have happened that triggered Israel's response.

 

So claiming Hamas had nothing to do with anything, Hamas does not bear any responsibility, Hamas represents the people and so on - that's a choice.

What it actually amounts to is excusing the Hamas 7/10 attack. Minimizing it. Justifying it. Accepting it.

 

Hamas sees dead Gazans as 'necessary sacrifices for the cause'. Let that sink in. Hamas actually welcomes the prospect of dead Gazans. Now go on about how you 'understand' Hamas. Got to love people who say they do not support Hamas, and yet broadcast Hamas propaganda and talking points non-stop.

 

[Danny Australia]

4 hours ago, Morch said:

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

No one is claiming that bombs are dropped by Hamas. Though, the failed rockets that do kill Gazan may qualify.

The point made, and which I doubt you did not understand is that the bombs drop on Gaza for a reason, and as a response to the Hamas attack.

 

Hamas attack did not happen in a vacuum, it was in response to ongoing brutal inhumane occupation.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Hamas attack did not happen in a vacuum, it was in response to ongoing brutal inhumane occupation.

 

The Gaza Strip was not under occupation. The attack had little to do with ending the occupation of the West Bank.

Hamas chose to attack Israel in the way it did, knowing the consequences.

Claiming that Hamas is not responsible in any way for anything that followed is bizarre.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Hamas attack did not happen in a vacuum, it was in response to ongoing brutal inhumane occupation.

No justification for the Hamas slaughter and ongoing hostage taking whether it happened in a vacuum or not.

[Danny Australia]

https://youtu.be/97bZzxm_5zM

 

The Israeli ambassador in London has made it abundantly clear: opposing both a Palestinian state and a two-state solution. Yet, the Israelis talk about peace. Can genuine peace be achieved in the presence of such an extremist and racist mentality?

Mahmood Abbas has long ago completely surrendered to Israel, actively pursuing Hamas, does not believe in resistance, fully cooperates with Israel and considered to be a traitor by the Palestinians, yet he is not good enough to have a peace with.

 

It never happened throughout history that an occupying power withdrew from an occupied land by peaceful means and without any resistance.  

[Wobblybob]

25 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Come on man, trying to put the blame of 18,000++  Palestinians on Gaza is very childish.

Hamas considers itself a resistance movement fighting for the rights and self-determination of Palestinians, in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They argue that their struggle is against what they perceive as occupation and oppression, and they view sacrifices, including human lives, as a means to advance their cause.

I am not, and never have condoned or supported Hamas but I can sympathize for the Palestinian cause. You, and other Israelis find the Oct 7th terror attack as some weird kind of excuse for cleaning out Gaza and that is somehow neuralizes all the crimes Israel have committed against Palestinians in the last 70 years.

You will know what Teshuvah means; it involves acknowledging wrongdoing, expressing remorse, and making amends. The focus is on personal accountability and the possibility of redemption rather than a direct connection between specific actions and subsequent life circumstances. Israel's attrocities since 7/10 are totally against what I have leared in my Jewish studies.

Hamas specialises in targeting civilians which makes them terrorists, and sad sadistic terrorists at that, they are not a "resistance movement" and anybody with any sense should know this!

Edited December 14, 2023 by Wobblybob

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Hamas attack did not happen in a vacuum, it was in response to ongoing brutal inhumane occupation.

 

   In the same way that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians in Gaza didn't happen in a vacuum either 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

https://youtu.be/97bZzxm_5zM

 

The Israeli ambassador in London has made it abundantly clear: opposing both a Palestinian state and a two-state solution. Yet, the Israelis talk about peace. Can genuine peace be achieved in the presence of such an extremist and racist mentality?

Mahmood Abbas has long ago completely surrendered to Israel, actively pursuing Hamas, does not believe in resistance, fully cooperates with Israel and considered to be a traitor by the Palestinians, yet he is not good enough to have a peace with.

 

It never happened throughout history that an occupying power withdrew from an occupied land by peaceful means and without any resistance.  

What does Hamas want?

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

https://youtu.be/97bZzxm_5zM

 

The Israeli ambassador in London has made it abundantly clear: opposing both a Palestinian state and a two-state solution. Yet, the Israelis talk about peace. Can genuine peace be achieved in the presence of such an extremist and racist mentality?

Mahmood Abbas has long ago completely surrendered to Israel, actively pursuing Hamas, does not believe in resistance, fully cooperates with Israel and considered to be a traitor by the Palestinians, yet he is not good enough to have a peace with.

 

It never happened throughout history that an occupying power withdrew from an occupied land by peaceful means and without any resistance.  

 

She's the representative of Israel's current government, which is a right-wing one. Expecting this government to be pro-peace, embrace the notion of a Palestinian state, or a two-state solution is folly. Everyone knows that.

 

There were other Israeli governments in the past which were into negotiation with the Palestinians. Back when, it was the Palestinians who either rejected offers, or ignored them.

 

What Hamas is about is not a two-state solution, negotiation, or peace. Hamas made that clear.

 

Also, she added a lot of weight. Used to be almost nice looking but a few years ago. Enough to make Netanyhu's Wife growl.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

https://youtu.be/97bZzxm_5zM

 

 

 

   Two people both talking and not listening .

It happens very frequently , people interrupting each other , not letting the other  say what they want , shouting over them and they just say few words each .

   It ends up as incomprehensible mess

 

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[Neeranam]

19 minutes ago, Morch said:

Also, she added a lot of weight. Used to be almost nice looking but a few years ago. Enough to make Netanyhu's Wife growl.

Looking at her on Sky news, it must have been a long time ago.

[Neeranam]

42 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

https://youtu.be/97bZzxm_5zM

 

The Israeli ambassador in London has made it abundantly clear: opposing both a Palestinian state and a two-state solution. Yet, the Israelis talk about peace. Can genuine peace be achieved in the presence of such an extremist and racist mentality?

Mahmood Abbas has long ago completely surrendered to Israel, actively pursuing Hamas, does not believe in resistance, fully cooperates with Israel and considered to be a traitor by the Palestinians, yet he is not good enough to have a peace with.

 

It never happened throughout history that an occupying power withdrew from an occupied land by peaceful means and without any resistance.  

How can someone become a Ambassador in the UK when she doesn't know what 'indiscriminate bombing' means?

[Wobblybob]

Just now, Neeranam said:

How can someone become a Ambassador in the UK when she doesn't know what 'indiscriminate bombing' means?

Do you know what "indiscriminate bombing" is, it doesn't sound like it, but like commenting that the Israelis are committing genocide it all fits in well as a troll post!

[Bkk Brian]

More terrorists surrendering. From the IDF spokesman

 

More than 70 Hamas activists surrendered with their weapons to the IDF and Shin Bet forces in the Kamal Adwan Hospital area in Gaza!

IDF forces, in cooperation with the General Security Service, worked in the vicinity of Kamal Adwan Hospital and found a building used by Hamas elements that contained combat equipment. During the activity around the hospital, the fighters killed a number of saboteurs in various clashes.

More than 70 members who left the hospital were arrested and taken for investigation, carrying weapons and weapons. The saboteurs were taken away, accompanied by the field investigators of Unit 504 of the Military Intelligence Authority and the Central Security Agency’s commanders, to follow up on investigation procedures.

https://twitter.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1735253381189386432

 

Video in the link

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

How can someone become a Ambassador in the UK when she doesn't know what 'indiscriminate bombing' means?

President Biden doesn't seem to know what it means either. 

[Danderman123]

More than 70 surrendering 'Hamas operatives' emerge from Gaza hospital

 

Cognitive dissonance for Hamas fans here.

Edited December 14, 2023 by Danderman123

[Danderman123]

10 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Hamas attack did not happen in a vacuum, it was in response to ongoing brutal inhumane occupation.

Tell us about the brutal inhumane occupation of Gaza prior to October 7.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Tell us about the brutal inhumane occupation of Gaza prior to October 7.

It was a brutal and inhumane blockade of Gaza prior to October 7. Collective punishment is a crime against international humanitarian law, though apparently israel does not recognise humanitarian law when it applies to Palestinians.

[ezzra]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It was a brutal and inhumane blockade of Gaza prior to October 7. Collective punishment is a crime against international humanitarian law, though apparently israel does not recognise humanitarian law when it applies to Palestinians.

How is it a 'blocked' when hundreds of thousands of Gazan are working and living in Israel as part of their employments and are free go come and go as their wish? and again, free to travel to any country they wish by air or border crossing to Egypt, (with the Hamas leadership living the life of luxury in 5 stars hotel in some of the gulf states) and if you say blocked, where have all those hundreds tones of weapons and immunisations came from?

And talking about international humanitarian laws, where were those laws when babies were beheaded and murdered and women rapped, home burned and looted and many were kidnapped? ...

[Bkk Brian]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

No, and nor did Hamas. Some people have a problem here with accepting that almost all, if not all, Israeli critics here also condemn Hamas. It's one of those inconvenient truths apparently.

The only inconvenient truth in that post of yours is that you again have not read the topics on this war and instead spew out unsubstantiated claims and worthless opinions. Much like your own lame comparisons to the hostages Hamas is holding and the prisoners Israel is holding. Or your unsubstantiated claims that Israeli war crimes are happening each day. Or even your claim that "every able bodied person actively assists or fights for them." [Hamas] in Gaza or 100% of Gazans support Hamas.

 

You've also not read any of the posts on here that displayed sheer anti-Semitism in the extreme, posters claiming that Oct the 7th was all a conspiracy theory and it was really Israel that killed most people. Or posters laughing at the rapes and torture of the Israeli women. You've also not read and other posters insisting on calling Hamas freedom fighters rather than what they are. Terrorists. 

 

Nah your claim

 

"Some people have a problem here with accepting that almost all, if not all, Israeli critics here also condemn Hamas. It's one of those inconvenient truths apparently"

 

Maybe true for some but certainly not all

[Wobblybob]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

No, and nor did Hamas. Some people have a problem here with accepting that almost all, if not all, Israeli critics here also condemn Hamas. It's one of those inconvenient truths apparently.

Wanting Israelis dead is not being critical, it is antisemitic, a label some of the terrorist apologists seem not to understand. Let's not forget 7/11 and the sadistic terror that the Palestinians brought to peaceful innocent civilians on that sad day and stop making excuses for these vile excuses of human beings, the world will be a lot safer without these raping and killing machines! 

[Bkk Brian]

11 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

More terrorists surrendering. From the IDF spokesman

 

More than 70 Hamas activists surrendered with their weapons to the IDF and Shin Bet forces in the Kamal Adwan Hospital area in Gaza!

IDF forces, in cooperation with the General Security Service, worked in the vicinity of Kamal Adwan Hospital and found a building used by Hamas elements that contained combat equipment. During the activity around the hospital, the fighters killed a number of saboteurs in various clashes.

More than 70 members who left the hospital were arrested and taken for investigation, carrying weapons and weapons. The saboteurs were taken away, accompanied by the field investigators of Unit 504 of the Military Intelligence Authority and the Central Security Agency’s commanders, to follow up on investigation procedures.

https://twitter.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1735253381189386432

 

Video in the link

 

 

 

Here's the vid from the Israeli gov of those 70 terrorists surrendering and leaving the hospital grounds where they were fighting from.

 

Israel says it's arrested 70 Hamas fighters; Hamas accuses Israel of blocking hospital care
Israel's military says it has arrested more than 70 Hamas members at a hospital in northern Gaza, as health officials in the territory accused Israeli forces of preventing medical staff from providing care.

A spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces, Avichay Adraee, said the fighters had "surrendered with their weapons" at Kamal Adwan hospital.

Writing on X, he also posted a series of images showing men stripped to the waist giving up what appear to be guns.

 

 

[Morch]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's not as easy as when raiding West Bank Palestinians that have very little in the way of arms to oppose them. So much easier when the "enemy" can't fight back.

Classic ambush technique, and I'm surprised they fell for it. Perhaps they underestimated the Palestinians, again.

I guess the israelis won't be so eager to break into Palestinian houses after that.

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

The IDF could have just obliterated the whole building dropping a bomb. Guess some posters want to have it both ways.

As for 'not so easy' maybe tell that to Hamas - don't think they're having as much 'fun' as they did on 7/10.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It was a brutal and inhumane blockade of Gaza prior to October 7. Collective punishment is a crime against international humanitarian law, though apparently israel does not recognise humanitarian law when it applies to Palestinians.

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

Pray tell, why was the blockade put in place?

Maybe something to do with Hamas actions and agenda?

Don't see you moan when Hamas flaunts them 'humanitarian' laws.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

No, and nor did Hamas. Some people have a problem here with accepting that almost all, if not all, Israeli critics here also condemn Hamas. It's one of those inconvenient truths apparently.

 

As said before - your statements just demonstrate that you haven't actually read the topic.

 

Tossing in the odd one liners about condemning Hamas in between the torrent of Israel Bad, making excuses/justifications for the Hamas attack, spewing conspiracy theories, endless deflections   - very convincing. Not.